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[CapricornSun]

I read it all. I've not read TME but what you've described is how I hoped Celene is, or at least how she came across in the game without context to the books, and I'll always reunite her with Briala. Gespard I have no feelings on whatsoever, but he sounds like the biggest ass of the lot. x) I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of character Briala ends up being.

 

I highly recommend you read TME. The book really gives a detailed background and insight on all three of them that the game never does, and there is a possibility that your opinions on them will change after reading it. (I know my opinions on them changed drastically.)

[BoscoBread]

I'd think it would be because he's a warrior who doesn't think it wise to waste time with silly parties when an immortal threatens to take the world.

 

Personally, I'll always respect the person who does not lie about being the **** he is, rather than the one who pretends to be anything but, while burning down an alienage for political gain. Meanwhile the other little **** actually can get back together despite this, and to me makes her the lowest of the low.

 

Gaspard may be an ass, but at least he's not a yellow belly.

So what way did you go.  I hate all of them.  I thought it was like having to choose between 3 different bags of garbage - different garbage - but still trash.  So I tried to pick what would be best for Thedas/Orlais - which is the reconciliation option...it appears to me at least.  Though I almost chose Gaspard, because like you I appreciate him being upfront with being terrible, but I just didn't want Thedas to get thrown into another war.

[Armdin]

Personally, I'll always respect the person who does not lie about being the **** he is, rather than the one who pretends to be anything but -snip-.

 

Personally I'll always respect the person who isn't a **** in the first place.

[Colonelkillabee]

So what way did you go.  I hate all of them.  I thought it was like having to choose between 3 different bags of garbage - different garbage - but still trash.  So I tried to pick what would be best for Thedas/Orlais - which is the reconciliation option...it appears to me at least.  Though I almost chose Gaspard, because like you I appreciate him being upfront with being terrible, but I just didn't want Thedas to get thrown into another war.

I hate orlais and could not care less what was best for them, so I chose what was best for the inquisition, which was to have a loyal emperor assisting me in ending Cornflakes for good. And if you do his wartable mission, he doesn't pursue Ferelden, and things are actually rather stable.

 

A military man/woman is what you need in a time of crisis, and everything's basically gone to hell in Thedas.

[MoonDrummer]

So what way did you go.  I hate all of them.  I thought it was like having to choose between 3 different bags of garbage - different garbage - but still trash.  So I tried to pick what would be best for Thedas/Orlais - which is the reconciliation option...it appears to me at least.  Though I almost chose Gaspard, because like you I appreciate him being upfront with being terrible, but I just didn't want Thedas to get thrown into another war.

When I'm an elf I go Gaspard/Briala, anything else I just go Gaspard.

[Cecilia]

I loved TME, but to be entirely honest, it sort of drove me crazy how much information and character insight from that book should have been in the game.  I know not everyone likes the plotty, dialogue-driven nature of Wicked Eyes, and that quest does have some problems with its implementation.  But there should have been more there, something to inform us about what Celene, Briala, and Gaspard are like beyond a few lines of dialogue.  These are the three most influential, important people in the Empire.  Plus the Dowager, members of the Council of Heralds...and unless you dig through codices or read the book beforehand, the characterization is so thin.  Especially for Briala.  

 

Basically I wanted DA:I to have more politics and Wicked Eyes to be about twice as long and intricate as a quest chain 

 

I agree with this~ I haven't read TME yet, so my impression of the characters from WEWH is more along the lines of: Gaspard is kind of hot in a machiavellian-Tywin-Lannister type of way, Celene seems ineffectual and untrustworthy, and Briala came off as all different levels of shady. I've never played an elven inquis so having Briala in power was never an option for me because the way they portray her in WEWH was so many levels of untrustworthy and sketchy.

[Colonelkillabee]

Personally I'll always respect the person who isn't a **** in the first place.

I like ****s though They're the ones who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty when necessary, which is what you need. Gaspard is the more effective one militarily.

[MoonDrummer]

Personally I'll always respect the person who isn't a **** in the first place.

Lol we don't get that luxury in Orlais  

[Maria13]

I'd think it would be because he's a warrior who doesn't think it wise to waste time with silly parties when an immortal threatens to take the world.

 

Personally, I'll always respect the person who does not lie about being the **** he is, rather than the one who pretends to be anything but, while burning down an alienage for political gain. Meanwhile the other little **** actually can get back together despite this, and to me makes her the lowest of the low.

 

Gaspard may be an ass, but at least he's not a yellow belly.

 

So then you agree he is egocentric, dim and sexist?

[vierrae]

Oh, dang it. My Internet is down, and I feel lazy typing on my phone, so I can't either join this discussion, or post my Sailor Solas ahem...art. Maybe it's better this way, because the only thing I'm feeling right now is sheer disgust.
There is an app, called 'sense of humor', go download it...

[Cecilia]

I like ****s though They're the ones who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty when necessary, which is what you need. Gaspard is the more effective one militarily.

 

They're all terrible - Vivienne for Empress~!

[Colonelkillabee]

So then you agree he is egocentric, dim and sexist?

Egocentric, sure. Dim, no. Sexist, probably. The first and last are irrelevant, however.

[jawsisinmywc]

I certainly can agree regarding being better on context and everything.  YOU ARE ALWAYS THE VOICE OF REASON!  [insert gif of Elrond nodding sagely]. 

Mims always seems to be a calming force here. I think once I was freaking out about the Patrick Weekes Nerd Appropriate interview and 'cause of her I calmed down. Thank You Mims!


I wish I could join you guys on the chat, but my hotel internet is crap. To reload the Solas page I have to hold my laptop up high and in a weird position.

[lynroy]

I highly recommend you read TME. The book really gives a detailed background on all three of them that the game never does, and there is a possibility that your opinions on them will change after reading it. (I know my opinions on them changed drastically.)

This. Also Felassan.  I'm glad I read TME before DAI or I feel I'd've been lost during WEWH.

[Sable Rhapsody]

So what way did you go.  I hate all of them.  I thought it was like having to choose between 3 different bags of garbage - different garbage - but still trash.  So I tried to pick what would be best for Thedas/Orlais - which is the reconciliation option...it appears to me at least.  Though I almost chose Gaspard, because like you I appreciate him being upfront with being terrible, but I just didn't want Thedas to get thrown into another war.

 

My first playthrough I picked the b****slap all 3 option because it was just so very satisfying sticking it to them.  Though that's really not what's best for Orlais; having all three tugging in separate directions is sure to bring trouble in the future.  It's basically just a reset to the situation before TME and DA:I, except now Celene and Briala are also at odds with one another too.

 

 

I agree with this~ I haven't read TME yet, so my impression of the characters from WEWH is more along the lines of: Gaspard is kind of hot in a machiavellian-Tywin-Lannister type of way, Celene seems ineffectual and untrustworthy, and Briala came off as all different levels of shady. I've never played an elven inquis so having Briala in power was never an option for me because the way they portray her in WEWH was so many levels of untrustworthy and sketchy.

 

IMO Briala comes off the worst for not having read TME, though all three characters suffer.  A lot of TME is from her perspective, and it really helps to humanize her.  I don't agree with a lot of the stuff she's done (prolonging a destructive civil war for starters), but I can understand why she did it.  In the game, it comes off as a pure power play, which it really isn't.  She's a little like Solas in some ways, paving the road to hell with good intentions.

[BoscoBread]

I hate orlais and could not care less what was best for them, so I chose what was best for the inquisition, which was to have a loyal emperor assisting me in ending Cornflakes for good. And if you do his wartable mission, he doesn't pursue Ferelden, and things are actually rather stable.

 

A military man/woman is what you need in a time of crisis, and everything's basically gone to hell in Thedas.

I think this is where the game failed a bit though, because really the choice does not impact your battle with Corypheus at all. So where it will matter, is post-Corypheus which is where you would need good negotiators/diplomats(i know i know orlais is the worst). 

 

I would like a run through with him - no briala because she SUCKS - though because I think what he does with his leadership is going to be interesting.  I know he invades either Ferelden or Tevinter. 

[Cecilia]

Egocentric, sure. Dim, no. Sexist, probably. The first and last are irrelevant, however.

 

For some reason Gaspard is slowly transforming into Tony Abbott in my head now D:

 

I'm personally not a fan of military-minded rulers simply because expansionary policies are never sustainable ones, but given you explicitly don't care about Orlais I suppose your support of sexy Gaspard is a valid one  

[Armdin]

I hate orlais and could not care less what was best for them, so I chose what was best for the inquisition, which was to have a loyal emperor assisting me in ending Cornflakes for good. And if you do his wartable mission, he doesn't pursue Ferelden, and things are actually rather stable.

 

A military man/woman is what you need in a time of crisis, and everything's basically gone to hell in Thedas.

 

Like Churchill!

Just gotta remember to kick him out once the fighting's done. x)

[Giton]

So do I, Ave. So do I.

Sorry, I am having trouble hearing this conversation over the censorship of my artistic expression within the past hour for "non-constructive/ trolling content" despite the number of likes and the quotes of the work. That are still on the thread. Showing the work. Real effective.

Despite it being some of the most tame stuff I have ever posted. Despite the significantly more NSFW and inappropriate content on the thread. But it's okay, dear virginal hallas, it's on other forms of social media where people can take a joke without seeing comedy/ satire as a personal attack or revenge on a pixel who left me. Or you know, in the Cullen thread. /my glass hearted feels that can only be healed by hate art

Ever thought I might do it because it's fun? Because I like making people laugh? That this fandom needs something other than salt and tears? Like, I dunno... humor? The ability to laugh at ourselves?

I apologize deeply for whomever decided art censorship was the only answer. Freedom of Speech 2k15. Maybe they should read Candide. Or Tartuffe? Maybe not. They'd probably take it all literally and entirely miss the point.

My reaction to this the rather hyperbolic/not reasonable reaction to this news:

 

 

The art was obviously in the vein of humor, and given that people have posted things that go much further, of which I also have no wish for them to be censored; this is ridiculous. I mean, I posted a phallus tree a while back (IT"S ART!!! medieval people could get it) and no one clutched their pearls in shockhorror. Also, Phallus Tree was totally on topic. Just to clarify.

 

Come on,  people.  

 

Even Chaucer would be disappointed in this reaction: "Swyve this."

[Delphine]

I read it all. I've not read TME but what you've described is how I hoped Celene is, or at least how she came across in the game without context to the books, and I'll always reunite her with Briala. Gespard I have no feelings on whatsoever, but he sounds like the biggest ass of the lot. x) I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of character Briala ends up being.

 

Her character development sucks in the game, so much that people even hated her there, while loved her in TME. I think I kinda hated her the least in Wicked Hearts, but was still really "meh" about her, but after reading TME, she definitely shines the best there, in my opinion.

 

Man I feel like I should be offended by this but I'm all offended out by this point in my day.

 

I don't disrespect your opinion. In fact, I feel as though my own opinion is a bit blinded as to personal feelings to certain personality types. I have always been rather more direct in my dealings with people (a fact I'm sure you're by now aware). I'm unsure what part of TME you're in, so it's hard to say how much you know or do not know, but I suggest you talk to me after you're finished, as I'm sure we could have a friendly, intelligent conversation over it.

 

I do have more to offer than my charming wit and personality. 

 

And I shall make an effort to get on gchat tonight. Once. But not now, I'm at work.

 

It wasn't meant to offend you, it's just a conclusion I made based on the type of posts you tend to share around here, ergo not the debating-at-length one.

If I happen to be wrong, I'll be more than pleased if you wanna go there indeed, once I've finished TME, it'll be interesting to share point of views like that. And I personally love debating-at-length type of conversation, that's what I do best ;D

And right now, I'm chapter 13, close to start the last third of the book.

[BoscoBread]

Egocentric, sure. Dim, no. Sexist, probably. The first and last are irrelevant, however.

I thought it was so amusing that he was sexist. I was like 'shut it dude, you'll be dancing to my tune by the end of the night. '

[Colonelkillabee]

I think this is where the game failed a bit though, because really the choice does not impact your battle with Corypheus at all. So where it will matter, is post-Corypheus which is where you would need good negotiators/diplomats(i know i know orlais is the worst). 

 

I would like a run through with him - no briala because she SUCKS - though because I think what he does with his leadership is going to be interesting.  I know he invades either Ferelden or Tevinter. 

Only the former if you don't do his missions, which is what I like about him. I can have influence with him. That's as important as having a contact with political weight of their own, which Celene obviously would have more of with politicians. Though Gaspard has more with chevalier, and that gives him more strength and fear. Equally as valuable post and pre Cornflakes.

[MoonDrummer]

Like Churchill!

Just gotta remember to kick him out once the fighting's done. x)

[Armdin]

I highly recommend you read TME. The book really gives a detailed background and insight on all three of them that the game never does, and there is a possibility that your opinions on them will change after reading it. (I know my opinions on them changed drastically.)

 

That's the plan. Still chiseling through Asunder though.

Gaider I love you but your novel writing makes me cry! Why does everyone chuckle all the time?!

Seriously though Gaider I love you don't change.

[BoscoBread]

Only the former if you don't do his missions, which is what I like about him. I can have influence with him. That's as important as having a contact with political weight of their own, which Celene obviously would have more of with politicians. Though Gaspard has more with chevalier, and that gives him more strength and fear. Equally as valuable post and pre Cornflakes.

My worry with him is though you would be at odds with him eventually.  There is only one army that should be feared in Thedas and that should be mine.  You need to cripple the governments...or defang them.