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[WildSky214]

Also, my canon Falon'Din until otherwise officially shown.

[Cecilia]

The Qun is that a way, you're free to remain there.

 

Joking aside, I really don't get this mentality of glee for finding that there is no god, if that were actually true... in a fictional setting. Fictional or not actually, it's kind of.... petty. Not even kind of, it's really petty and comes off very small of you. Everyone has their beliefs, no one knows diddly about even a few percentages of this universe, much less beyond that. I take no solace in proving anyone wrong, I just want to know period.

 

To be fair I think Solas is probably agnostic/atheist as a character (and that probably applies to most of the elven pantheon). I'm much more familiar with traditional/mainstream Christianity and "Chinese" religions (Taoism/Confucianism/Legalism/Buddhism) but I'm wondering if there aren't elements of the demiurge somewhere in Thedosian theology?

 

The Qun is like a strange mix of a dash of Islam with a lot of Taoism and Buddhism to me e.e

[Colonelkillabee]

To be fair I think Solas is probably agnostic/atheist as a character (and that probably applies to most of the elven pantheon). I'm much more familiar with traditional/mainstream Christianity and "Chinese" religions (Taoism/Confucianism/Legalism/Buddhism) but I'm wondering if there aren't elements of the demiurge somewhere in Thedosian theology?

 

The Qun is like a strange mix of a dash of Islam with a lot of Taoism and Buddhism to me e.e

I don't see what you mean by to be fair. Agnosticism and atheism are still beliefs, though I'm aware people deny that. Doesn't matter whether one agrees on that or not though as that gets into philosophical blah. Point being, why people feel the need to see their personal beliefs reflected in media this much, to where it being "proven" that there's no god in Dragon Age would bring them joy, I don't know.

[RebbyWriter]

 

 

 

http://actualdragona...pierce-the-veil

[Cecilia]

Even though I agree partially with your post, I'd like to point out that there is no need for technology, science or enlightenment to have people gather and think about the world as a godless one. Back when the Greek ruled the world, Sophists used to re-question all of that, and adopt a certain form of atheism. And they were far from being the only one trying to. But I believe History is always rewritten by the winners, and all of those nuanced school of thoughts get lost in them.

 

That is true - and we don't have any reason to believe that this wasn't the case for Thedas (I'm inclined to believe the ancient elves - at least the most powerful ones - were most likely agnostic/atheist), but I do think for a sustainable culture of questioning/searching to exist, holistic scientific progress is vital, because for people to let go of their superstitions, they need to first be able to expand their minds/worlds, especially since so much of mainstream religion (at least in our world) is focused on the exceptionalism of humanity and Earth - something which is most effectively challenged by scientific progress and a more macro perspective on our world and universe. 

 

(This sounds a little like "religion is the opiate of the masses" which isn't my intention at all - I just think that faith unquestioned isn't genuine faith)

[Cecilia]

I don't see what you mean by to be fair. Agnosticism and atheism are still beliefs, though I'm aware people deny that. Doesn't matter whether one agrees on that or not though as that gets into philosophical blah. Point being, why people feel the need to see their personal beliefs reflected in media this much, to where it being "proven" that there's no god in Dragon Age would bring them joy, I don't know.

 

Oh sorry haha that's just a rhetorical habit I have (it's silly and nonsensical and means absolutely nothing) - I think I picked it up somewhere in the misty forests of tumblr while writing extensive amounts of meta as a defense mechanism

 

I understand your point, but I also do agree with Delphine insofar as media that more accurately reflects our world is always capable of more depth. Not in the sense of plain old physics or biology, but in terms of the way people think and interact and engage with the world around us - it's also an important question to ask in a world with so many different and conflicting faiths - is it an option to simply refuse to subscribe to any of them? What would cause one person or an entire society to reject the idea that there is a higher power/meaning directing their lives? 

[Delphine]

I don't see what you mean by to be fair. Agnosticism and atheism are still beliefs, though I'm aware people deny that. Doesn't matter whether one agrees on that or not though as that gets into philosophical blah. Point being, why people feel the need to see their personal beliefs reflected in media this much, to where it being "proven" that there's no god in Dragon Age would bring them joy, I don't know.

 

In a way, there's already no god in Dragon Age. None that are real anyway, so far. And even though they're being really subtle about it, it's still nice to see that happening.

[Avejajed]

I can tell you one thing, there are rules regarding this religious conversation and I expect them to be followed!

[Suketchi]

Joking aside, I really don't get this mentality of glee for finding that there is no god, if that were actually true... in a fictional setting. Fictional or not actually, it's kind of.... petty. Not even kind of, it's really petty and comes off very small of you. Everyone has their beliefs, no one knows diddly about even a few percentages of this universe, much less beyond that. I take no solace in proving anyone wrong, I just want to know period.

 

I'd like this, but I can't. Have a funny clapping guy instead.

 

[Avejajed]

In a way, there's already no god in Dragon Age. None that are real anyway, so far. And even though they're being really subtle about it, it's still nice to see that happening.

None according to you.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

None according to you.

whatever is real hasn't revealed themselves and based on what solas said, elven pantheon weren't gods either.who knows what the forgotten ones were. And the devs will never reveal if the maker is.

[Colonelkillabee]

Oh sorry haha that's just a rhetorical habit I have (it's silly and nonsensical and means absolutely nothing) - I think I picked it up somewhere in the misty forests of tumblr while writing extensive amounts of meta as a defense mechanism

No problem of course, I was just confused

 

 

In a way, there's already no god in Dragon Age. None that are real anyway, so far. And even though they're being really subtle about it, it's still nice to see that happening.

You're familiar with the absence of evidence not being the evidence of absence, yes? There's enough clues in the magical world for someone to draw the conclusion of there being a god or gods at one point. You have a world beyond this one, with spirits that can literally manipulate and create things around them, and a god is somehow hard to believe?

 

The term god is subjective. To a lot of people, what fen'harel was at full power was a god. What Cornflakes was already was practically a god by elven standards.

 

Telling someone there's no god in this setting is rather narrow minded in my opinion. It's one thing to say you don't think there's a maker and another altogether to say there's no god because we haven't seen the guy all shiny and in robes with Andraste on his arm yelling about how those dang kids stepped on his lawn and ruined his golden home.

[Colonelkillabee]

I can tell you one thing, there are rules regarding this religious conversation and I expect them to be followed!

I'm a bad boy, I sowwy

[Roxy]

This is cool...now if only they would make a Solas necklace. I. would. buy. that!!!!  

 

 

http://www.biowarest...l-necklace.html

[Delphine]

I don't see what you mean by to be fair. Agnosticism and atheism are still beliefs, though I'm aware people deny that. Doesn't matter whether one agrees on that or not though as that gets into philosophical blah. Point being, why people feel the need to see their personal beliefs reflected in media this much, to where it being "proven" that there's no god in Dragon Age would bring them joy, I don't know.

 

Yeah, we all know how much representation in mass medias is so not needed. Coming from people loving Bioware for their diversity, it feels a bit weird to me to read that. How representing a culture challenging the idea of god could be a bad thing?

[Avejajed]

whatever is real hasn't revealed themselves and based on what solas said, elven pantheon weren't gods either.who knows what the forgotten ones were. And the devs will never reveal if the maker is.

Which is why I'm saying that belief that a god exists in-game is only a matter of headcannon and not fact.

Up to the player. Not factual content in every game. Maybe she thinks there are no real gods in her DA world but don't project that onto my game.

And there's no need for debate because neither one of us are wrong. It doesnt matter what you say about your own game, it doesn't make it true in my game.

[Suketchi]

I don't see what you mean by to be fair. Agnosticism and atheism are still beliefs, though I'm aware people deny that. Doesn't matter whether one agrees on that or not though as that gets into philosophical blah. Point being, why people feel the need to see their personal beliefs reflected in media this much, to where it being "proven" that there's no god in Dragon Age would bring them joy, I don't know.

 

No problem of course, I was just confused

 

 

You're familiar with the absence of evidence not being the evidence of absence, yes? There's enough clues in the magical world for someone to draw the conclusion of there being a god or gods at one point. You have a world beyond this one, with spirits that can literally manipulate and create things around them, and a god is somehow hard to believe?

 

The term god is subjective. To a lot of people, what fen'harel was at full power was a god. What Cornflakes was already was practically a god by elven standards.

 

Telling someone there's no god in this setting is rather narrow minded in my opinion. It's one thing to say you don't think there's a maker and another altogether to say there's no god because we haven't seen the guy all shiny and in robes with Andraste on his arm yelling about how those dang kids stepped on his lawn and ruined his golden home.

 

That ain't me, sister. I don't think equal representation in media's important, the desire to make a good game is. Any decent story has a variety of people, and backgrounds. Not every one of them has to be represented however.

 

The Qun already has what you want anyway. And a culture being like how you want it isn't wrong. What I find amusing is how proving other culture's religious beliefs wrong brings you such joy.

 

 

 

Dang it Killabee, stop saying cool things that I agree with.

[laurelinvanyar]

Guys, I know who the Maker is!!!!!!!!!

 

Laidlaw. 

[Cecilia]

In a way, there's already no god in Dragon Age. None that are real anyway, so far. And even though they're being really subtle about it, it's still nice to see that happening.

 

Honestly, rather than knowing whether or not the Maker exists or what the Maker even is, I'm much more interested in ideas like the Qun - moral codes/"religions" that the people of Thedas develop organically that involve an interest in their own existence/the meaning of their own existence rather than the intentions of some higher being. 

 

I swear I'm all for freedom of thought etc., but compared to the Qun, the Chant of Light feels so shallow. I want more "religions"/moral codes/systems that involve people taking ownership of their own actions/existences 

 

/Edit I just don't think whether or not the Maker exists is important. But I do find it a little silly that a majority of Thedas is currently Chanting about Light to try to bring Him back instead of simplifying their model of the world to discount His existence (since He's absent anyways) and considering what values/morals are important to them and how they can apply these values/morals to their society/institutions. I subscribe 100% to Confucius' perspective that what matters is what is before us and the people around us - there is no real value in speaking of strange powers and undefined gods that have no meaningful bearing on our day-to-day existences. Practicality ftw! (I'm Christian, but! I think it is more important to be religious than to be Christian, and more important to be a decent person than to be religious)

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, we all know how much representation in mass medias is so not needed. Coming from people loving Bioware for their diversity, it feels a bit weird to me to read that. How representing a culture challenging the idea of god could be a bad thing?

That ain't me, sister. I don't think equal representation in media's important, the desire to make a good game is. Any decent story has a variety of people, and backgrounds. Not every one of them has to be represented however.

 

The Qun already has what you want anyway. And a culture being like how you want it isn't wrong. What I find amusing is how proving other culture's religious beliefs wrong brings you such joy.

[Suketchi]

Yeah, we all know how much representation in mass medias is so not needed. Coming from people loving Bioware for their diversity, it feels a bit weird to me to read that. How representing a culture challenging the idea of god could be a bad thing?

 

[RebbyWriter]

I don't know about you guys but if the Pantheon is as fabulous as we're making it out to be, I won't even care if they are not really gods.

 

10/10 would worship again.

[Rabbitonfire]

Yeah, it was weird. I assume that the moderator paid absolutely not attention to the content of the posts and simply accepted the report as is. Had they even read the posts they would have known that that wasn't the intent or the content.

ok so I read up on warnings and you can pm a moderator to clarify the warning but you might have to wait a few days for a response. If no response, you could ask contact@bioware.com
http://forum.bioware...out-motivation/

If some of you could pm the moderator yourself on behave of lizasaurus and carreli, you could try though Sharing private information would be difficult. Still, you could try.

[Avejajed]

Getting ahold of a moderator is damned near impossible. Getting clarification is also basically impossible. I wouldn't even bother. Useless.