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[Caddius]

Keep talking historical literature and narratives to me.

After sleep and coffee. 

I can explain why I'm a terrible person for my Turk and Pole coffee joke yesterday, and how it ties into Lord of the Rings. 

[R2s Muse]

I don't think it's about it being bad/good.  I think that can be individually decided up to the player.  For Solas, he felt it was the "right" decision for himself and for her.  You have to remember he's thinking this through within the span of like 2 min. He doesn't have time to really think it out...which is atypical.  What he did plan, was telling you the truth. I imagine him agonizing over it for hours and thinking out exactly what he was going to say.  Trying to account for every possibile question and reaction you could have had and his response.  Then he just throws all his carefully thought plans out the window and kind of is flying by the seat of his pants.

 

I'm with Mims/Liz on this. I actually am sort of "pleased" he left instead of lying to himself and her by extension.  It would be such a massive betrayal that he wouldn't even really be HIM. I can't possibly believe he would have been happy.  It would have been miserable for both of them...at least that's my view.  For me, it's easier to justify forgiving him...in the end(unless he turns into a total psycho). 

I like this interpretation. It reminds me of something he says if you tell him you "believe in us" and can solve whatever it is together. He tells her that they can't. "You'll see." Like he thinks even she would agree with his decision to not bring her along for his continuing journey with the orb. 

[KarateKats]

 Interesting.  I'm curious as to what the "temptation" would be since the orb is gone.  You already have the most powerful magic in Thedas. I mean, really, what else could you want.  I'm wondering if it will be abuse of the mark - like using it to enter the Fade whenever you want. I feel like that could cause problems.

 

Imma be real though, this sounds like A LOT of work for my lazy bones Lavellan.  I just want to go on a journey banging all the hot elves in Thedas.  Where does that fit in in the chart.

Where do I sign up for the hot elven bang train?

[BoscoBread]

Ah, cool. Thanks. I'll have to go look for that. The first time I introduced myself to the thread was the day that nerdappropriate interview came out, so I of course ran afoul of several spoilers and haven't had a chance to go back and listen to it on my own yet. 

 

Plus, he's so smooth at his secret identity that I suppose it makes sense that he'd switch right to the "lesser" truth since I imagine the slave markings have been bugging him. 

 

Sooooo... how interesting was it that only with the Vallaslin gone does he say "you're so beautiful"? That kinda broke my heart, imagining what he must have thought every time he looked at her while she wore them.

 

(sorry that I'm retreading old territory for you guys! It was just so packed with heart wrenching Solasy goodness! gah!)

I try to put a positive twist on that one because I was kind of irked by it only because I DONT remove my vallaslin.  Your Lavellan is clearly a bit self-conscious after he removes because she can't see what she looks like without them at that point. So I think it's reassurance that she's still as beautiful as ever. 

 

Or you can interpret that he thought they were totally gross - which is what a lot of fanfics do. 

[Caddius]

Ok. I've had some more coffee. I'm thinking a little more clearly now.

 

Just to give a bit of exposition, I have people close to me that after watching a video on Joseph Campbell, think of themselves as a bit of an expert and always try to tell me that my writing will never be "original" because there are so many stories...blah blah blah. So, I will admit to having a chip on my shoulder about the whole thing.

 

I also admit that there are elements of the Feminine Journey (which is a plot path that branches from the original Hero's Journey) that exist in the story I am doing now. If done well, the storyline doesn't matter. I just get really tired of the lack of creativity in the story world, as of late. I am in no way trying to attack anyone who enjoys that type of story. I just get sick and tired of people using Campbell's ideas as a crutch and then telling me there is no way I can be creative.

 

I have a book on Archetypes that, I think (I'm too lazy to get up and find it) are based off of his studies of mythology. The book names them after Grecian gods, anyway. Interesting read if you ever want into writing interesting characters. I'll find it on my Kindle later if anyone is interested.

 

Here's a Solas, for having to deal with my crazy

 

I definitely understand the irritation with people saying there can never be an original story. My brother. 

So I deliberately set out to differentiate the book I'm working on from typical fantasy, then threw away what bits didn't work. I don't see much of the Hero's Journey in what's left of it. In a way, I guess, it's a historical novel that just happens to be set in a fantasy world. 

[deedylovescake]

I don't think it's about it being bad/good.  I think that can be individually decided up to the player.  For Solas, he felt it was the "right" decision for himself and for her.  You have to remember he's thinking this through within the span of like 2 min. He doesn't have time to really think it out...which is atypical.  What he did plan, was telling you the truth. I imagine him agonizing over it for hours and thinking out exactly what he was going to say.  Trying to account for every possibile question and reaction you could have had and his response.  Then he just throws all his carefully thought plans out the window and kind of is flying by the seat of his pants.

 

I'm with Mims/Liz on this. I actually am sort of "pleased" he left instead of lying to himself and her by extension.  It would be such a massive betrayal that he wouldn't even really be HIM. I can't possibly believe he would have been happy.  It would have been miserable for both of them...at least that's my view.  For me, it's easier to justify forgiving him...in the end(unless he turns into a total psycho). 

Yeah I dont really mean objectively bad or good I mean like in the sense of my Lavellan...like once we know his plan maybe she'll want to help?? Maybe she can't help and will have to fight him or something which I'm sure is a possibility. But I wish she had the the opportunity to have all the info and decide for herself if parting is necessary, instead of Solas just deciding she shouldn't be involved.
Like...hey Anders, did you ever think I would have helped you blow up the chantry on purpose instead of needing to be tricked???? 

[Kappa Neko]

I find it quite sad, that you think being agnostic means not having spirituality. I'm never envying people having a faith related to religion, because I'm not lacking faith myself, in anyway. I may not be a religious being, but I am a highly spiritual one, the two of them aren't necessarily linked. The thought of them being inseparable is, quite frankly, one that frightens me, but one that is so spread in our culture, that people think it's true.

I have faith in many things, mainly in humanity, in science, in arts, in our capacity to change, in the marvel of the universe, in how little we know and how much yet there is to understand. I can entertain the idea of a god, but my definition of it would be nowhere near a man-made one. Still, I wonder at the possibility of it, just like I can entertain the idea of none at all.

 

Thinking that the world would descend into chaos if religion was taken away from people, is quite the pessimistic faithless view. One I don't believe in. I mean, sure some would be shattered, certainly, but I have absolutely no doubt that in the long run, some people might react in a way so extraordinary that we would never have thought of it. Just, one thing is sure : we will never know, if we never try.

You misunderstand. Having no particular spirituality/faith was about me, not connected to being agnostic in general. Although to me spirituality means believing in forces greater than us, and then I wouldn't call that person an agnostic anymore regardless of whether their spirituality comes from an official religion. I agree that religion and spirituality can be two very different things.

Faith in humanity has nothing to do with spirituality to me. Unless one believed in the inherent goodness of mankind or exceptional intelligence, which begs the question: where does it come from?

I look at nature and never stop being amazed at how smart it is. How perfectly it all fits together. Does that necessarily mean or prove anything? No. But if somebody felt like there is greater meaning to all life, that there might even be an inherent morality or a collective unconscious or, in Dragon Age terms, a song that speaks to everyone, then that person is a believer. No matter if they rejected the concept of heaven or hell and an actual god person among us that observes and judges.

As an agnostic I find these spiritual ideas of connectedness very beautiful. But I can't claim them to be true (or wrong), so I'm not a believer.

 

In the long run, people would probably find some other faith/religion to believe in and some kind of order would return. If the Maker doesn't exist, then perhaps something else. The elven gods? Aliens? Nature spirits? In Thedas, spirits are even a thing. People want to believe. I don't think it's a bad thing. Nor do science and religious faith contradict each other.

(This was totally on topic. I mentioned the games.)

[Moondreamer01]

Yes. That moment. That's where I could see his hesitation. So that's where I was confused about his intention with the "gift" of the truth, because it seemed to me that he seems to decide to break it off after the kiss, not so much during his rather smooth delivery of the truth.

 

But it does make sense that he only realizes on fly, following the kiss, that since he chickened out on the truth, then the end of the relationship is nigh. Especially since he's also so... remarkably romantic and relaxed at the start of the scene that it really did seem like he went into it like a date.For example, the way he's holding her hand is so sweet and hopeful. 

 

I think the scene has two moments of hesitation, where Solas pulls back. The first is "the truth". in that moment, he suddenly changes his mind, for whatever reason, realizing he just can't blurt out to her that he's Fen'Harel. Seeing as his greatest fear is dying alone, my guess is that he couldn't bear the thought of Lavellan rejecting him. Once that bit is over, he clings a little, wants to feel her still, kiss her a little desperately and plenty passionately, but as soon as his head clears he has a second realization. He can't keep this charade up anymore. He knew from the start their love story couldn't last, but right that moment, he realize it's the end of the road for them. He pulls back again, and we gets "And it won't happen again. I won't distract you from your duties again."

[BoscoBread]

 

Where do I sign up for the hot elven bang train?

That gif. So perfect for our predatory Lavellans.

[BoscoBread]

Yeah I dont really mean objectively bad or good I mean like in the sense of my Lavellan...like once we know his plan maybe she'll want to help?? Maybe she can't help and will have to fight him or something which I'm sure is a possibility. But I wish she had the the opportunity to have all the info and decide for herself if parting is necessary, instead of Solas just deciding she shouldn't be involved.
Like...hey Anders, did you ever think I would have helped you blow up the chantry on purpose instead of needing to be tricked???? 

Ah. NVM THEN!

 

I do agree,  I was annoyed he didn't let her decide because I have massive hang-ups about that -- but that's just me as a person.  But trying to look at it from his perspective, I see how it may be better that he doesn't drag her down with him.  It sounds like it's going to be a mess.  We will likely learn more and it will probably be justifiable why he didn't say anything OR it could just be another massive **** up on his part. 

 

Anders is a ****.  And what he did to Hawke there was unforgivable to me. 

[Kappa Neko]

I hope I did not cross a line or so...  I have such a tendency of claiming the spotlight recently. 

That's because being INTJ makes you Morrigan. And you know how she's always involved. ;P

Seriously though, it's all good (hence the smiley). Saved me the time writing it all down!

[deedylovescake]

Well discussing the break up scene has bummed me out so lets take a look at this smut I drew last night. 

Spoiler

NSFW:
http://deedylovescak...n-for-your-hump

Ah yes...that's better.

[Mims]

I can forgive Solas for potentially having a hard time adjusting to the vallaslin. When its something that you've gone accustomed to hating for so long- it can be very, very hard to look beyond it. Just look at how many people react to swastikas, even though it is a symbol that has been used for many good things in the past. 

 

I don't think Solas thinks a Lavellan who keeps the vallaslin is less beautiful. But its probably a bit of a relief to have it gone. His idea of what it is is very different from what Lavellan's might be. Doubly so if you happen to be wearing the vallaslin of one of the eviler members of the pantheon. 

 

A Lavellan who decides to keep the mark likely sees it as a reminder of her clan, of the things she accomplished to become an adult. Solas only remembers people with vallaslin suffering under people like him. 

 

I think eventually though, if there was ever truth between them, they would understand why they were looking at the vallaslin from different perspectives. 

[Mirielle]

**sniffs** I need hankies again. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Maria13]

Ah, cool. Thanks. I'll have to go look for that. The first time I introduced myself to the thread was the day that nerdappropriate interview came out, so I of course ran afoul of several spoilers and haven't had a chance to go back and listen to it on my own yet. 

 

Plus, he's so smooth at his secret identity that I suppose it makes sense that he'd switch right to the "lesser" truth since I imagine the slave markings have been bugging him. 

 

Sooooo... how interesting was it that only with the Vallaslin gone does he say "you're so beautiful"? That kinda broke my heart, imagining what he must have thought every time he looked at her while she wore them.

 

(sorry that I'm retreading old territory for you guys! It was just so packed with heart wrenching Solasy goodness! gah!)

 

Ah, no, I think he says the beautiful even if you decide to keep the Vallaslin...

[deedylovescake]

Ah. NVM THEN!

 

I do agree,  I was annoyed he didn't let her decide because I have massive hang-ups about that -- but that's just me as a person.  But trying to look at it from his perspective, I see how it may be better that he doesn't drag her down with him.  It sounds like it's going to be a mess.  We will likely learn more and it will probably be justifiable why he didn't say anything OR it could just be another massive **** up on his part. 

 

Anders is a ****.  And what he did to Hawke there was unforgivable to me. 

Yeah we know so little at this point it's impossible for me to really know how I feel about it all. 

As for Anders...I have a whole lot of feelings and I dont want to talk about them LOL

[nikki-tikki]

Well discussing the break up scene has bummed me out so lets take a look at this smut I drew last night. 

Spoiler

NSFW:
http://deedylovescak...n-for-your-hump

Ah yes...that's better.

 

On the desk. I approve. 

 

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sorrynotsorry

[deedylovescake]

On the desk. I approve. 

 

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sorrynotsorry

Whose desk though? I like to think they wandered around doing it on everyones desk at some point just because ...I'm depraved? I dont know. Why am I like this??

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[CapricornSun]

Well discussing the break up scene has bummed me out so lets take a look at this smut I drew last night. 

Spoiler

NSFW:
http://deedylovescak...n-for-your-hump

Ah yes...that's better.

 

I'm out of likes but I just want to say that you draw the cutest smut ever!

[Delphine]

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There's politics in the scientific community just like everywhere else. They know it's a theory yes, but one can still favor and dismiss theories for various reasons, reason that aren't always because others considered the theory for what it was. To get your theories recognized, it's gotta be accepted by others enough to get a grant for more research to be done in that field. You don't think people compete for these things?

 

Religious entities, the churches, aren't the religious themselves. The pope doesn't speak for me, and not everyone is the same. All you're doing is making incorrect blanket statements that don't work for everyone. I'm religious. I know what is a theory, and I know the difference between something taken by faith and something that is a fact. I am not special either.

 

Ah, there's politics in the scientific communities, just like there's politics pretty much everywhere else. Everything is politic, but that wasn't my point here. My point was : no matter how much you want to compare the scientific communities to religious ones, the fact of the matter is : the bodycount and pain inflicted is nowhere near comparable.

 

As for me, I cannot align myself with human-made religions, because I'd have then to consider their stance as an entity and History, and more often than not, it's not pretty at all. That been said, if your religion is something you make on your own, and that no one else speaks for you, that's a way to see it that I can understand. I don't agree to it, but I understand (but then again, it's not my place to agree to anything to begin with, I guess).

 

You misunderstand. Having no particular spirituality/faith was about me, not connected to being agnostic in general. Although to me spirituality means believing in forces greater than us, and then I wouldn't call that person an agnostic anymore regardless of whether their spirituality comes from an official religion. I agree that religion and spirituality can be two very different things.

Faith in humanity has nothing to do with spirituality to me. Unless one believed in the inherent goodness of mankind or exceptional intelligence, which begs the question: where does it come from?

I look at nature and never stop being amazed at how smart it is. How perfectly it all fits together. Does that necessarily mean or prove anything? No. But if somebody felt like there is greater meaning to all life, that there might even be an inherent morality or a collective unconscious or, in Dragon Age terms, a song that speaks to everyone, then that person is a believer. No matter if they rejected the concept of heaven or hell and an actual god person among us that observes and judges.

As an agnostic I find these spiritual ideas of connectedness very beautiful. But I can't claim them to be true (or wrong), so I'm not a believer.

 

In the long run, people would probably find some other faith/religion to believe in and some kind of order would return. If the Maker doesn't exist, then perhaps something else. The elven gods? Aliens? Nature spirits? In Thedas, spirits are even a thing. People want to believe. I don't think it's a bad thing. Nor do science and religious faith contradict each other.

(This was totally on topic. I mentioned the games.)

 

I think our main difference comes from the definition of the word spirituality. Which is no one's fault, since there's no real definition to begin, so it's left to our own interpretation, here. I enjoy yours, even though it's not mine, I understand it, it makes sense in a lot of aspects.

 

And I agree that people want to believe. but faith can be found in so many other areas than man-made religions. Faith doesn't have to be about religions, is what I mean. But we apparently live in a world where the consensus leans towards the contrary.

[Colonelkillabee]

 

 

Ah, there's politics in the scientific communities, just like there's politics pretty much everywhere else. Everything is politic, but that wasn't my point here. My point was : no matter how much you want to compare the scientific communities to religious ones, the fact of the matter is : the bodycount and pain inflicted is nowhere near comparable.

 

As for me, I cannot align myself with human-made religions, because I'd have then to consider their stance as an entity and History, and more often than not, it's not pretty at all. That been said, if your religion is something you make on your own, and that no one else speaks for you, that's a way to see it that I can understand. I don't agree to it, but I understand (but then again, it's not my place to agree to anything to begin with, I guess).

The fact of the matter is, you're contributing the deaths caused by people who use and abuse religion, just like they abuse communism, just like they abuse democracy, just like they abuse anything that can be used to gather support and through support, power... to the religion itself, rather than to the people who take these actions, and that is fallacious and rather ignorant.

 

You'd need to consider their stance regardless, and you obviously have if you consider yourself agnostic.

[BoscoBread]

Ah, no, I think he says the beautiful even if you decide to keep the Vallaslin...

He's says you're pefect exactly as you are.  You're all "This is important to me and I know you meant well, but if you can't see past..."

 then he cuts you off and tells you to "Stop, you're perfect exactly as you are".  And then kissie face.

[Avejajed]

Finally, lunch. Ugh I almost DIED on the roads today because ppl don't know how to drive!

[nikki-tikki]

Finally, lunch. Ugh I almost DIED on the roads today because ppl don't know how to drive!

plz don't die