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[Taelaa]

This. It seems the board is in a SOLAS IS A LIAR! ALL HAIL GLITTERY GODS! mood at the moment. x)

Disclaimer: Just an observation.

 

I'm choosing to ignore that personally. To each her own though.

[BoscoBread]

I've heard that conversation before, but listening it to a second [or third?] time:

 

"Assuming I can plausibly predict a man who seeks to rise to godhood." 

"And can you?"

"The key is understanding this: no real god need prove himself. Anyone who tries is mad or lying. His deception will undo him, as it has done countless fools before."

 

The Inquisitor's question to Solas doesn't really make sense when you think about it. How could he? But from a narrative perspective, we want to hear what Solas has to say because of who Solas actually is. I don't think Solas is saying that line because he is a 'true' god, and thus doesn't need to prove who he is. I think he's saying that that's exactly what he and the other elven gods did in the past, and that's why they failed. 

 That's pretty much my thought on them.  It doesn't make them any less fascinating or powerful.  I actually find them more interesting this way.  So flawed and "human" - so to speak.  I really hope we get to meet more of them - glitter or no.  Especially Andruil. I want my pity of her to be vindicated!

[Armdin]

I'm choosing to ignore that personally. To each her own though.

 

It wasn't aimed at you personally, I promise. Just a general observation of the thread's mood for the past 50 pages or so. ^^

[Taelaa]

It wasn't aimed at you personally, I promise. Just a general observation of the thread's mood for the past 50 pages or so. ^^

 

Oh, I understood, hehe. I agree with your observation. I just don't understand the mood personally.

[RebbyWriter]

R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy, an undoubted inspiration for Solas...

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Fact about me: I am a total Trekkie. This hurts me, deeply.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I just thought you needed to know that.

I think Abelas is trying to turn me.

 
There's no reason we can't love all the ancient elves.  Solas, Abelas, Felassan, Falon'Din in all his glittery glory...I for one am 100% in support of hot ancient elven glory, regardless of its source 
 

Friendships are so ****** important and I wish BW did more with that.  I don't think Solas suffered from this too much - all you really see is how lonely he is and how much he is willing to give up of himself for his "greater good".  But he is so earnestly respectful of a friendmanced Quizzy and seems to care for them, that it was pretty much the same.  Same thing with Dorian...'my best and only friend' will never NOT make me tear up.  TLDR - I cry at everything. Especially friend things.

 
In general I think Dragon Age has done a good job of friendship arcs.  When I think about my three canon PCs and their character growth, their closest friends are just as important (and sometimes even more important) than their love interests.  Morrigan and my Amell, Varric and Hawke, Dorian and Lavellan.

[Taelaa]

I love the sound of it, but wasn't time magic (at least the method used by... whatshisname Alexius) only made possible by the Breach? It's well and truly closed now, as is the door to time magic.

 

Edit because I don't know how to structure sentences.

 

Hmm, I didn't remember it that way, but that doesn't mean you're incorrect. I'll need to look into this. Anything to lift this funk.

[Giton]

This. It seems the board is in a SOLAS IS A LIAR! ALL HAIL GLITTERY GODS! mood at the moment. x)

Disclaimer: Just an observation.

No one thinks Solas is a garbage person. In literal fact. 

 

The gravitational pull Falon'Din's erotic power can't be denied. Thfffft . . . juth let it happen. 

[Mims]

To be fair- the elven gods technically are godlike in comparison to your average Joe. So is Corypheus. Arguably, so is the Inquisitor. That's how they were able to amass followers and exist in legend. It is totally possible for them to be glittery and fabulous without actually being divine.

 

I think the appeal of it all comes from the fact that the pantheon reeks of excess. If they weren't truly divine, then the whole religion built up around them was one created out of vanity or legitimate naivety. [Why are we so powerful? Surely we must be gods!] I love the idea that the pantheon might have started off with good intentions. But over time, the appeal of ultimate power corrupted them. Perhaps amplified by red lyrium, but perhaps not.

 

I like that element of tragedy.

 

 

Hmm, I didn't remember it that way, but that doesn't mean you're incorrect. I'll need to look into this. Anything to lift this funk.

 

I can confirm that the game says that time magic only works because of the breach. Alexius has notations where he talks in length about trying to reach a point in time when Felix had not been infected by the Darkspawn taint. But he could only ever travel forward and backward in time in realities where the breech existed. 

[susanwb]

Hmm, I didn't remember it that way, but that doesn't mean you're incorrect. I'll need to look into this. Anything to lift this funk.

 

Yes, it's the reason Alexius can't save his son, Felix.  Time travel back before the creation of the breach is impossible.  So even if the breach getting closed doesn't break the possibility of time travel generally, there's no way anyone is going back further than the creation of the breach.  Or at least, Alexius couldn't find a way in a whole year of intense research.

[Taelaa]

To be fair- the elven gods technically are godlike in comparison to your average Joe. So is Corypheus. Arguably, so is the Inquisitor. That's how they were able to amass followers and exist in legend. It is totally possible for them to be glittery and fabulous without actually being divine.

 

I think the appeal of it all comes from the fact that the pantheon reeks of excess. If they weren't truly divine, then the whole religion built up around them was one created out of vanity or legitimate naivety. [Why are we so powerful? Surely we must be gods!] I love the idea that the pantheon might have started off with good intentions. But over time, the appeal of ultimate power corrupted them. Perhaps amplified by red lyrium, but perhaps not.

 

I like that element of tragedy.

 

 

 

I can confirm that the game says that time magic only works because of the breach. Alexius has notations where he talks in length about trying to reach a point in time when Felix had not been infected by the Darkspawn taint. But he could only ever travel forward and backward in time in realities where the breech existed. 

 

Yay, thank you! This helps.

[Giton]

 That's pretty much my thought on them.  It doesn't make them any less fascinating or powerful.  I actually find them more interesting this way.  So flawed and "human" - so to speak.  I really hope we get to meet more of them - glitter or no.  Especially Andruil. I want my pity of her to be vindicated!

THIS. I so much want Andruil's story to be terribly compelling, completly terrifying, and utterly tragic.

 

I lover her. Sorry, not sorry. 

[Illyria]

THIS. I so much want Andruil's story to be terribly compelling, completly terrifying, and utterly tragic.

 

I lover her. Sorry, not sorry. 

 

I think Andruil only gets a lot of hate due to the Fen'Harel and the Tree story. 

[MoonDrummer]

I think Andruil only gets a lot of hate due to the Fen'Harel and the Tree story. 

Could you imagine how awkward that would be if Sera ends up actually being Andruil?

[Armdin]

No one thinks Solas is a garbage person. In literal fact. 

 

The gravitational pull Falon'Din's erotic power can't be denied. Thfffft . . . juth let it happen. 

 

Oh I know. xD

 

To be honest, I don't know an awful lot about the Elven pantheon. I know the names and their... jobs I suppose, but not what led to the glitter fest in recent posts and the sudden randiness certain ones have inspired. x) Maybe it's just the thread being as random as it usually is and, for once, I'm not up to scratch on it.

[Taelaa]

To be fair- the elven gods technically are godlike in comparison to your average Joe. So is Corypheus. Arguably, so is the Inquisitor. That's how they were able to amass followers and exist in legend. It is totally possible for them to be glittery and fabulous without actually being divine.

 

I think the appeal of it all comes from the fact that the pantheon reeks of excess. If they weren't truly divine, then the whole religion built up around them was one created out of vanity or legitimate naivety. [Why are we so powerful? Surely we must be gods!] I love the idea that the pantheon might have started off with good intentions. But over time, the appeal of ultimate power corrupted them. Perhaps amplified by red lyrium, but perhaps not.

 

I like that element of tragedy.

 

 

 

I can confirm that the game says that time magic only works because of the breach. Alexius has notations where he talks in length about trying to reach a point in time when Felix had not been infected by the Darkspawn taint. But he could only ever travel forward and backward in time in realities where the breech existed. 

 

So, is this Wiki entry wrong then?

 

"In this bizarre future, where the Inquisitor's absence had allowed the Elder One to reign supreme and where the Breach had consumed the world, journals detail how Alexius is attempting to travel back in time at the behest of the Elder One, to before the creation of Breach, but the rift's magic prevents him from going to before its creation."

 

This indicates that he can't travel back before the creation of the breach because of the breach's existence. With the breach closed, wouldn't that mean time travel further back would now be possible?

[BoscoBread]

I think Andruil only gets a lot of hate due to the Fen'Harel and the Tree story. 

Agreed.  Solas "scrunchy face" at the accuracy of that one.  I hope he comments on the validity of some of these tales.    Most of the Andrul codex entires just make me feel super bad for her. 

[Armdin]

To be fair- the elven gods technically are godlike in comparison to your average Joe. So is Corypheus. Arguably, so is the Inquisitor. That's how they were able to amass followers and exist in legend. It is totally possible for them to be glittery and fabulous without actually being divine.

 

I think the appeal of it all comes from the fact that the pantheon reeks of excess. If they weren't truly divine, then the whole religion built up around them was one created out of vanity or legitimate naivety. [Why are we so powerful? Surely we must be gods!] I love the idea that the pantheon might have started off with good intentions. But over time, the appeal of ultimate power corrupted them. Perhaps amplified by red lyrium, but perhaps not.

 

I like that element of tragedy.

 

Makes me think of Solas' banter with Cassandra when she expresses how he didn't seem surprised that the Seekers were corrupt. He mentions every organisation starts off with good intentions, but invariably as resources are channeled towards sustaining itself, that's the point it becomes corrupt.

[BoscoBread]

Oh I know. xD

 

To be honest, I don't know an awful lot about the Elven pantheon. I know the names and their... jobs I suppose, but not what led to the glitter fest in recent posts and the sudden randiness certain ones have inspired. x) Maybe it's just the thread being as random as it usually is and, for once, I'm not up to scratch on it.

the origin : it's like hundreds of pages back.  It's just a joke that escalated.  It's for fun - at least I know it's totally unrealistic.  I think we're just taking solas' mention of their excess and exaggerating it.  i have feeling in spirit they were glitter monsters, but they won't look like that.

[susanwb]

So, is this Wiki entry wrong then?

 

"In this bizarre future, where the Inquisitor's absence had allowed the Elder One to reign supreme and where the Breach had consumed the world, journals detail how Alexius is attempting to travel back in time at the behest of the Elder One, to before the creation of Breach, but the rift's magic prevents him from going to before its creation."

 

This indicates that he can't travel back before the creation of the breach because of the breach's existence. With the breach closed, wouldn't that mean time travel further back would now be possible?

 

I think it may be.  As I recall, Alexius and Dorian "could never get [time magic] to work."  Alexius only gets it working after the breach.  I think I remember something in-game to the effect that the breach had released all sorts of magic into the world, which allowed Alexius to get his time magic research to work.  But he couldn't travel back to any point before the existence of the breach (and he tried everything to do exactly that).

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Mims]

I think Andruil only gets a lot of hate due to the Fen'Harel and the Tree story. 

 

Well, Solas does say she used to hunt elves and preformed elven sacrifices. That probably didn't help her reputation either.

 

But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she's played out to be more tragic, especially if she's the one who unknowingly infected the pantheon. For all we know, Fen'Harel instigated her to go wandering around in the void. I'm sure if she wanted a loveslave she could have made that happen with anyone. Wanting Fen'Harel in particular prooobably implies there might have already been something going on there. It could be that he toyed with her feelings and helped give her the final shove into crazy town. 

[BoscoBread]

So, is this Wiki entry wrong then?

 

"In this bizarre future, where the Inquisitor's absence had allowed the Elder One to reign supreme and where the Breach had consumed the world, journals detail how Alexius is attempting to travel back in time at the behest of the Elder One, to before the creation of Breach, but the rift's magic prevents him from going to before its creation."

 

This indicates that he can't travel back before the creation of the breach because of the breach's existence. With the breach closed, wouldn't that mean time travel further back would now be possible?

no.  it means that the breachis the only thing making it possible - he can only go back as far as the creation of it though. so he can't go back to save his son.

[RebbyWriter]

THIS. I so much want Andruil's story to be terribly compelling, completly terrifying, and utterly tragic.

 

I lover her. Sorry, not sorry. 

 

I have a soft spot for Andruil as well. She was one of my favorite characters to draw and I started girl crushing on her, after that.

 

Totally not sorry.

[Uirebhiril]

The gravitational pull Falon'Din's erotic power can't be denied. Thfffft . . . juth let it happen. 

 

People are going to be so disappointed when the elven gods are revealed to be twisted, lumpy abominations infused with rotting bits of red lyrium.