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[Illyria]

Could you imagine how awkward that would be if Sera ends up actually being Andruil?

 

Inqusitor: So... is it true about you and Fen'Harel?

 

Seranduril: Pffft.  Not even!

[Mims]

The reason for the glitter is just because it's freaking fabulous. And ALIEN to modern thedas. There is something magnetic in that aesthetic - powerful, inhuman, mildly androgynous (like the elves already are), and just that right dollop of insanity. 

 

Definitely my feeling as well. 'Glitter' is really just a catch all for anything that is outside of the visual style DA already has. Whoever these characters might be, they didn't live in the Thedas we know. They lived in legitimate 100% fantasyland Thedas. Their dress should be visually different, particularly to contrast with Solas. 

[jawsisinmywc]

That comment always bothered me too. We assume that he gave the orb to Corypheus to unlock because he tells Flemeth that we was too weak to unlock it after his slumber. What if that wasn't the real reason? Sooo many questions, so little answers. *sigh*

On Solas/Blackwall paralells, I think the game has a running theme on past mistakes and forgiveness, trying to change things and regretting the outcome. It's more than just Blackwall. Hawke says to Varric in response to Varric's "So much for changing our lives" comment, "That's what happens when you try to change things. Things change."

I dunno, random possibilities keep popping into my head as to what Solas' plan might be. A common assumption is that he wants to wake the Elven gods, but if that were the case, wouldn't he need the inquisitor? She's the key now (see Divine Justinia conversation in the Fade). If he doesn't need the key, what could his plan be now?

I've been in a funk all week because my latest theory is that he now plans to undo it all using time magic by going back and never sealing the gods away in the first place. No Tevinter blood magic, no blight, no archdemons, no alienages, no Dalish persecution, no loss of elven immortality. It sounds like just the kind of bad plan he's known for and it breaks my heart because it would mean my Lavellan never existed. That they never loved each other and he would have to exist knowing that he'd erased her to save the People.

From alternate future Redcliffe - Solas says, "Can you reverse the process? You could return and obviate the events of the last year. It may not be too late. I'm dying, but no matter. If you can undo this, they can all be saved. This world is an abomination. It must never come to past."

What if he's decided it's the only way to help the People? I'll be under my desk with a blanket and a bottle of wine waiting for someone to write a happy ending fan fiction to help me through this. If anyone decides to write a fan fiction of my theory, I don't want to know about it.

It is also possible he knew that unlocking it would cause an explosion and didn't want to be the one to die or just couldn't because he was too weak and just decided to create some distance while Cornflakes did it... cause ya know "the People need him".

[CapricornSun]

People are going to be so disappointed when the elven gods are revealed to be twisted, lumpy abominations infused with rotting bits of red lyrium.

 

That was actually one possibility that crossed my mind on how Bioware would present the elvhen gods. Just twisted, blighted, shadows of their former selves. Oooh, how exciting!

[Armdin]

Okay, someone give me links to where all this backstory for the pantheon is coming from, please. I'm intrigued. x)

[Maria13]

Well, Solas does say she used to hunt elves and preformed elven sacrifices. That probably didn't help her reputation either.

 

But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she's played out to be more tragic, especially if she's the one who unknowingly infected the pantheon. For all we know, Fen'Harel instigated her to go wandering around in the void. I'm sure if she wanted a loveslave she could have made that happen with anyone. Wanting Fen'Harel in particular prooobably implies there might have already been something going on there. It could be that he toyed with her feelings and helped give her the final shove into crazy town. 

 

Or she just wanted the one guy who didn't want any of her ****... Perhaps we should write different versions of what went down between them... I'd do this one.

[Heimdall]

So, is this Wiki entry wrong then?

 

"In this bizarre future, where the Inquisitor's absence had allowed the Elder One to reign supreme and where the Breach had consumed the world, journals detail how Alexius is attempting to travel back in time at the behest of the Elder One, to before the creation of Breach, but the rift's magic prevents him from going to before its creation."

 

This indicates that he can't travel back before the creation of the breach because of the breach's existence. With the breach closed, wouldn't that mean time travel further back would now be possible?

That's not what it means.  Time travel only works because of the Breach, that's why Alexius was never able to get it to work before the Breach and why he can't travel before the Breach.  Without the Breach, we're just back to it not working at all.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

People are going to be so disappointed when the elven gods are revealed to be twisted, lumpy abominations infused with rotting bits of red lyrium.

I totally will be that thing.   

Choosing to craft them into simple abominations of themselves as compared to something amazing and alien to modern Thedas, in the way that Mims mentioned, would be such a MASSIVE missed opportunity that I'm not sure there are words in the English language that could accurately convey the depths of my disappointment.

Hell, even if you look at the demons in DA:O they were ****ing fabulous. They were absolutely decadent. Powerful. Strange. Exquisite. And that's what I hope for the rest of the pantheon.

[nikki-tikki]

Okay, someone give me links to where all this backstory for the pantheon is coming from, please. I'm intrigued. x)

 

It's such a long story...I don't even know.

 

Just accept it. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think the appeal of it all comes from the fact that the pantheon reeks of excess. If they weren't truly divine, then the whole religion built up around them was one created out of vanity or legitimate naivety. [Why are we so powerful? Surely we must be gods!] I love the idea that the pantheon might have started off with good intentions. But over time, the appeal of ultimate power corrupted them. Perhaps amplified by red lyrium, but perhaps not.
 
I like that element of tragedy.

Makes me think of Solas' banter with Cassandra when she expresses how he didn't seem surprised that the Seekers were corrupt. He mentions every organisation starts off with good intentions, but invariably as resources are channeled towards sustaining itself, that's the point it becomes corrupt.

 
It's all very Greek, the fatal flaw that corrupts people and drags a civilization down into decadence.  I love it.  I don't want the elven gods to just be straight-up evil.  Dragon Age as a setting does a great job of making its antagonists have at least some relatable qualities.  Some minor characters are just plain hateable (Petrice, Alrik, Vaughn, etc.) but for the most part that's the exception rather than the rule.
 

That was actually one possibility that crossed my mind on how Bioware would present the elvhen gods. Just twisted, blighted, shadows of their former selves. Oooh, how exciting!

Based on the codex entries you get after drinking from the Well, the gods themselves may not look all that pretty to begin with.  The descriptions were pretty Lovecraftian: "a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many."  Yeesh.

[BoscoBread]

Okay, someone give me links to where all this backstory for the pantheon is coming from, please. I'm intrigued. x)

I believe it's one of Giton's post - not believe KNOW - and it's pages and pages back. So just look through her's.  It escalated from there.

 

Like Mim's said - it'a catchall term to signify their "other-ness".  Like Solas says - the dalish thought Arlathan was like a giant "tree" empire made of wood. Instead there were crystal spires and floating castles.  I mean...the gods had to look freaking fabulous. Look at Flemeth.  You think a swamp witch is calling the shots on that outfit???

[Illyria]

Okay, someone give me links to where all this backstory for the pantheon is coming from, please. I'm intrigued. x)

 

Mostly from us.

[Mims]

Or, after smoothly getting into her pants and being strangely attractive, he broke up with her suddenly and said maybe in another world. She then went to find another world and stayed bitter. The whole thing is revenge not that my Lavellan is bitter or anything.

 

Solas has a type, and it is yandere. 

 

 

Okay, someone give me links to where all this backstory for the pantheon is coming from, please. I'm intrigued. x)

 

Backstory of the pantheon is primarily coming from four sources:

 

- Solas at the temple of Mythal, and various foreshadowy comments throughout the game. Occasionally with Cole.

- Mythological remnants told by the Dalish [which are a bit suspect.]

- Ancient elves, including Felassan, Abelas, and Mythal. 

- The translated scrolls at the temple of Mythal, which you can only read by drinking the well water. 

 

The wiki has most of the information posted, but it is a little hard to pinpoint everything. The codex in the game also has information. 

 

[Although a lot of it is fan interpretations of what snippets we've got.] 

[Giton]

People are going to be so disappointed when the elven gods are revealed to be twisted, lumpy abominations infused with rotting bits of red lyrium.

[susanwb]

It is also possible he knew that unlocking it would cause an explosion and didn't want to be the one to die or just couldn't because he was too weak and just decided to create some distance while Cornflakes did it... cause ya know "the People need him".

I tend to agree with this view.  That Solas expected Cornflakes to create a massive explosion by unlocking the orb, but also expected that it would kill him.  And likely it did kill him along with everyone except Quizzi who escapes via the Fade.  What Solas didn't count on is Cornflake's ability to bodysurf.  So Cornflakes dies in the explosion but immediately reincarnates himself in the just-killed body of a Grey Warden (I think the one he takes over at ToM is also a recently dead Warden).  So to me this indicates not villainy on Solas' part, but rather a miscalculation of epic proportions.  Which I think is much more in character for him anyway.

[Maria13]

That's not what it means.  Time travel only works because of the Breach, that's why Alexius was never able to get it to work before the Breach and why he can't travel before the Breach.  Without the Breach, we're just back to it not working at all.

 

Have you seen Primer http://en.wikipedia....i/Primer_(film)? It also seems you can't travel back to before the time when your time travelling medium came into existence... Common sense when you thing about it...

[Armdin]

Aw damn, I thought we had some canon going on.

It's all really interesting though. Keep it up.

[bunniebean]

Can anyone enlighten me on how fiona showed up in Val Royeaux before In your heart shall burn? I feel like i missed that little detail. Thanks!

Edit: Nevermind. Got an answer elswere, why did i bother.

[Rabbitonfire]

If anyone has $5 to spare, why not make a small sketch commission here? 

 

edit: it's good quality and it's for an emergency.

[Mims]

Aw damn, I thought we had some canon going on.

It's all really interesting though. Keep it up.

 

What in particular were you wondering about? The story with Andruil? 

 

"In the story, Fen'Harel was captured by the hunting goddess, Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the hallawithout her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back.

 

But as she made camp that night, the dark god Anaris found them, and Anaris swore that he would kill Fen'Harel for crimes against the Forgotten Ones. Andruil and Anaris decided that they would duel for the right to claim Fen'Harel.

 

He called out to Anaris during the fight and told him of a flaw in Andruil's armor just above the hip, and Anaris stabbed Andruil in the side, and she fell. Then Fen'Harel told Anaris that he owed the Dread Wolf for the victory and ought to get his freedom. Anaris was so affronted by Fen'Harel's audacity that he turned and shouted insults at the prisoner, and so he did not see Andruil, injured but alive, rise behind him and attack with her great bow. Anaris fell with a golden arrow in his back, badly injured, and while both gods slumbered to heal their wounds, Fen'Harel chewed through his ropes and escaped."

 

--Felassan, to Briala^[26]

[Giton]

Genesis  1:1

 

In the beginning, someone cried out, "Let there be glam rock Gods." And then the glitter-dystopia Pantheon was born. The thread saw that it was good.

 

 

Not Solas, but still apropos:

 

Spoiler

 

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I'm seriously sad about this.

 

[Uirebhiril]

I totally will be that thing.   

Choosing to craft them into simple abominations of themselves as compared to something amazing and alien to modern Thedas, in the way that Mims mentioned, would be such a MASSIVE missed opportunity that I'm not sure there are words in the English language that could accurately convey the depths of my disappointment.

Hell, even if you look at the demons in DA:O they were ****ing fabulous. They were absolutely decadent. Powerful. Strange. Exquisite. And that's what I hope for the rest of the pantheon.

 

I'd go for something that is kind of psychologically terrifying. Like if you crossed "despair" Galadriel with something that hits the corner of your mind, that you think you can see from the corner of your eye, but fills you with dread at the very notion... and when it reveals itself you're already halfway to complete awe-struck horror and... adulation? Worship? Something. Not sure where I'm going with this. Maybe what I should be doing is getting more coffee.

[Heimdall]

Have you seen Primer http://en.wikipedia....i/Primer_(film)? It also seems you can't travel back to before the time when your time travelling medium came into existence... Common sense when you thing about it...

Never heard of it actually, might have to take a look now.

 

It also means they probably won't be bringing time travel back, which is for the best i think.  Few things have more potential for convolution than time travel plots.

[Armdin]

What in particular were you wondering about? The story with Andruil? 

 

"In the story, Fen'Harel was captured by the hunting goddess, Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the hallawithout her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back.

 

But as she made camp that night, the dark god Anaris found them, and Anaris swore that he would kill Fen'Harel for crimes against the Forgotten Ones. Andruil and Anaris decided that they would duel for the right to claim Fen'Harel.

 

He called out to Anaris during the fight and told him of a flaw in Andruil's armor just above the hip, and Anaris stabbed Andruil in the side, and she fell. Then Fen'Harel told Anaris that he owed the Dread Wolf for the victory and ought to get his freedom. Anaris was so affronted by Fen'Harel's audacity that he turned and shouted insults at the prisoner, and so he did not see Andruil, injured but alive, rise behind him and attack with her great bow. Anaris fell with a golden arrow in his back, badly injured, and while both gods slumbered to heal their wounds, Fen'Harel chewed through his ropes and escaped."

 

--Felassan, to Briala^[26]

 

That was one of them, yes. And of course it'd be from TME. I need to step up my game and get Asunder finished. xD

 

Mims, I've said this before, but you're a sweetheart. Thank you.