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[nikki-tikki]

I'm appreciating at the not serious fan art popping up. It's fantastic. 

[LobselVith8]

My biggest issue with Merrill was her naivety.

 

I had a friend from Turkey who came to study American law (since she was an attorney), and she was adapting to people being surprised that she was Muslim (since she was white) and how different people were in the city from Turkey. Merrill reminded me a bit about her in defending her religion (from Anders) and trying to understand a completely different culture from the one she grew up in. It's natural that a Dalish elf would have some cultural issues with a completely foreign culture, particularly if they have never encountered non-hostile Andrastian shemlen before.

 

It's likely that the elven protagonist may have had to adapt to Andrastian culture and shemlen when he (or she) posed as a mercenary (although I'm sure that would vary depending on the player's respective backstory for the main character, since the developers seem to invite players to basically fill in the gaps).

[BoscoBread]

My time to shine. If you require moral support, I know an email that can assist you in your time of need. Contact here: idontcare@glitterotica.org

 

 

My caller was Steve, he was very attentive listener and comfort me in my time of need. Sorry for the signal boost.

Steve...he had so many dreams once.  Dreams of traveling. Dreams of love. Dreams of passion.

[Elven_Glory]

That could go in a lot of different directions. There is Solas' views on spirits (and how people from the mortal plane that shift their persona), his potential growth from 'trickster' to 'rebel' during the era of Elvhenan, his willingness to listen to different perspectives and concede that he's wrong on certain points, and the multitude of ideological perspectives among mages and templars about the war that both sides participated in.

Good luck with the paper!

Thank you! What I really want to bring about is the idea that because morality is based in perception, different cross culturally and even subculturally, and not concrete black/white good/evil like many of us have been taught in our youth, that it may not really exist at all. Or put another way, it's "all in our heads" because it is an abstract concept that has changed a lot over time.

[Avejajed]

I meant only in that any consequences that might have arisen from her choices never seemed to occur to her much.

[Colonelkillabee]

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I play sarcastic hawke, so no sort of humor is an issue, it's this excusing of trafficing with demons saying "oh it's just this or that", when she escalated to asking for its help eventually to unlock it. It's exactly what the mage haters say always happens with people like that, and it's foolish no matter how you excuse it.

 

It's just like those kirkwall mages that I let Solas torch. Always an excuse. Always an excuse. Hawke is one man, one man that already got people killed by then, so she should be well aware that Hawke as a safety measure is hardly enough. This comes down to the mage issue in general for me, so we're not likely to agree. If Merrill's actions were well known, she'd be used as a cautionary tale. Only reason I went with it's because as I said, the Dalish are going nowhere fast, and because I have a weak spot for outcasts.

[Rabbitonfire]

Steve...he had so many dreams once.  Dreams of traveling. Dreams of love. Dreams of passion.

what change?

[LobselVith8]

I meant only in that any consequences that might have arisen from her choices never seemed to occur to her much.

 

Except the reason that she asks Hawke to accompany her is precisely because she considers that the consequence of her heading to Sundermount could be possession, since she considers that Audacity may have somehow escaped from the totem. You may not agree with her choices, but she has thought out the actions she's taken.

[Elven_Glory]

Except the reason that she asks Hawke to accompany her is precisely because she considers that the consequence of her heading to Sundermount could be possession, since she considers that Audacity may have somehow escaped from the totem. You may not agree with her choices, but she has thought out the actions she's taken.

Merril is another really good example of how perception changes our ideas of what we believe to be right or wrong. This is one of my favorite things about Bioware. She clearly believes what she is doing to be right. Damn the consequences. She feels so vindicated in what she is doing that she goes at great cost to achieve her goals. And yet, we stand on the sidelines yelling "Merril! NOOOOO! What are you doing?!!!" With the exact same level of conviction.

[Colonelkillabee]

Except the reason that she asks Hawke to accompany her is precisely because she considers that the consequence of her heading to Sundermount could be possession, since she considers that Audacity may have somehow escaped from the totem. You may not agree with her choices, but she has thought out the actions she's taken.

Dude, I'm about to do something really REALLY stupid, so... come with me and fix my mistake if it goes south, bro?

 

Lol.

[Avejajed]

Except the reason that she asks Hawke to accompany her is precisely because she considers that the consequence of her heading to Sundermount could be possession, since she considers that Audacity may have somehow escaped from the totem. You may not agree with her choices, but she has thought out the actions she's taken.

None of which I would have any idea about because I never did any of Merrills companion quests. I just had to Google who the hell "Audacity" was. Lol.

[Elven_Glory]

Dude, I'm about to do something really REALLY stupid, so... come with me and fix my mistake if it goes south, bro?

Lol.

This sounds exactly like my late teens and early twenties.

[LobselVith8]

I play sarcastic hawke, so no sort of humor is an issue, it's this excusing of trafficing with demons saying "oh it's just this or that", when she escalated to asking for its help eventually to unlock it. It's exactly what the mage haters say always happens with people like that, and it's foolish no matter how you excuse it.

 

Merrill didn't release Audacity, nor did she plan to (as she explicitly tells aggressive Hawke). Marethari released Audacity; the Keeper also never claims that Merrill had any intention of releasing Audacity, either.

 

It's just like those kirkwall mages that I let Solas torch. Always an excuse. Always an excuse. Hawke is one man, one man that already got people killed by then, so she should be well aware that Hawke as a safety measure is hardly enough. This comes down to the mage issue in general for me, so we're not likely to agree.

 

Those two situations are apples and oranges; completely different. Since Hawke has defeated spirits and abominations in the past, I don't see why Hawke wouldn't be sufficient. Merrill considered that Audacity could be free, so she took someone who had proven capable of defeating spirits and abominations in the past to help deal with the situation, particularly if the spirit was already free and ended up possessing her.

 

This comes down to the mage issue in general for me, so we're not likely to agree. If Merrill's actions were well known, she'd be used as a cautionary tale. Only reason I went with it's because as I said, the Dalish are going nowhere fast, and because I have a weak spot for outcasts.

 

I think Marethari is the one who should be a cautionary tale, since she is the one who made mistakes as Keeper, and who intentionally released a spirit in the name of protecting Merrill, followed by trying to kill Merrill as an abomination.

 

Dude, I'm about to do something really REALLY stupid, so... come with me and fix my mistake if it goes south, bro?

 

Lol.

 

Actually, it's: "I wanted to talk to this spirit who is sundered from the Fade and trapped in a totem, but I think it might somehow be free. Please accompany me, and kill me if the spirit ends up possessing me if it does turn out to be free." It's a much more mature and responsible tactic than Marethari's decision to warn absolutely no one about her asinine plan of freeing Audacity and becoming possessed.

 

Also, I don't see how you can claim that Merrill planned on freeing Audacity when no one in the story makes this claim - not even Marethari. The Keeper says that she believed Audacity would have somehow escaped from the restored Eluvian when she explains why she set Audacity free.

[Siha]

Dude, I'm about to do something really REALLY stupid, so... come with me and fix my mistake if it goes south, bro?

 

This sounds exactly like my late teens and early twenties.

 

Sounds exactly like what I am still doing.

[Elven_Glory]

Sounds exactly like what I am still doing.

Possibly me, too, but my hindsight is far better than my foresight, so I'll probably be able to tell you in about a decade.

[MoonDrummer]

Sigh well there goes the league cup and 30 quid I bet on those useless buggers

I'm away to get steamin

[Siha]

Possibly me, too, but my hindsight is far better than my foresight, so I'll probably be able to tell you in about a decade.

 

I can usually tell exactly when I'm about to do something really stupid. Doesn't stop me though.

[Avejajed]

I dont make mistakes. I make life lessons.

[Colonelkillabee]

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I meant you were excusing her actions, which were naive and foolish despite her good intentions.

 

Hawke killing spirits and demons before is good, but it doesn't mean that he's invincible. You can drive and steer with your feet, but it doesn't mean it needs to be done. It's even more silly if your hawke isn't even a mage that knows a thing or two about the stuff.

 

And they're hardly apples and oranges. Fool thinks they can handle spirit. Fool is wrong. She couldn't even handle the demon before in the alienage, so what makes her think she can do it again exactly. The keeper was indeed a fool, but she's likely right in that it was going to happen anyway. Doesn't excuse her though, but it doesn't really matter.

 

I never said she planned on anything, I said trafficing with the demon in the first place was dumb and would lead to this happening anyway.

[NightSymphony]

Gonna get all serious and sad here for a moment.  I can not get this song out of my head this morning. I haven't heard it in years, but somehow it just burrowed it's way into my brain last night while I was sleeping.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=foGkU6x3eSE

 

 

"Close My Eyes Forever"

- Lita Ford and Ozzy Osborn
 

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Baby
I get so scared inside, and I don't really understand
Is it love that's on my mind, or is it fantasy?
Heaven
Is in the palm of my hand, and it's waiting here for you
What am I supposed to do with a childhood tragedy?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Sometimes
It's hard to hold on
So hard to hold on to my dreams
It isn't always what it seems
When you're face to face with me
You're like a dagger
And stick me in the heart
And taste the blood from my blade
And when we sleep, would you shelter me
In your warm and darkened grave?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Will you ever take me?
No, I just can't take the pain
But would you ever trust me?
No, I'll never feel the same, Oh
I know I've been so hard on you
I know I've told you lies
If I could have just one more wish
I'd wipe the cobwebs from my eyes
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain unchanged?
If I close my eyes forever
Will it all remain the same?
Close your eyes

[LobselVith8]

I meant you were excusing her actions, which were naive and foolish despite her good intentions.

 

I don't see it as naive or foolish to try to bring an end to the plight of the People.

 

Hawke killing spirits and demons before is good, but it doesn't mean that he's invincible. You can drive and steer with your feet, but it doesn't mean it needs to be done. It's even more silly if your hawke isn't even a mage that knows a thing or two about the stuff.

 

Whether or not Hawke is a mage, the Champion of Kirkwall has still defeated spirits and abominations. It's no different than Merrill bringing up how, if a mage becomes possessed, the clan hunts down and kills the abomination; it's not a task that can only be accomplished by another mage.

 

And they're hardly apples and oranges. Fool thinks they can handle spirit. Fool is wrong. She couldn't even handle the demon before in the alienage, so what makes her think she can do it again exactly. The keeper was indeed a fool, but she's likely right in that it was going to happen anyway. Doesn't excuse her though, but it doesn't really matter.

 

Spirits and abominations have been defeated before; it isn't foolish to think that they can be defeated. There's also no evidence that Audacity would have ever escaped through the Eluvian, particularly as the spirit was trapped in the real world, and hadn't been in the Fade for over two millennium.

 

I never said she planned on anything, I said trafficing with the demon in the first place was dumb and would lead to this happening anyway.

 

Merrill spoke to a spirit who was summoned and trapped in a totem over two thousand years ago, when the ancient elves fought Tevinter humans at Sundermount; speaking to an impotent spirit doesn't make her foolish.

[Addai]

Merrill just bugged me because of the dippy, child-in-a-woman's body trope they decided to use for her. Her and Sera. We really need an Isseya next time, if we get another elf female companion.

 

The thing about her quest, it's so much like what happens in TME with Imshael that I think Bioware is trying to call back to the early humans and show the Forgotten Ones and other powerful spirits luring people with promise of forgotten knowledge. It's thematic inversion. I just didn't like it because it was so forced, as most things in DA2 were. Like, maybe you would just have defeated the demon and all would be well, except no, that's not melodramatic enough. So they hand the idiot ball to Marethari.

 

Eep, ToP and the only screenshots I have lately are of Iorveth... well, have a Iorveth.

 

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[Elven_Glory]

I can usually tell exactly when I'm about to do something really stupid. Doesn't stop me though.

Fair enough. Live your life, I say. I'm more like Solas (to make this relevant)
"Oh, this will be a great idea"
...1,000 years later...
"****."

[Elven_Glory]

Merrill just bugged me because of the dippy, child-in-a-woman's body trope they decided to use for her. Her and Sera. We really need an Isseya next time, if we get another elf female companion.

The thing about her quest, it's so much like what happens in TME with Imshael that I think Bioware is trying to call back to the early humans and show the Forgotten Ones and other powerful spirits luring people with promise of forgotten knowledge. It's thematic inversion. I just didn't like it because it was so forced, as most things in DA2 were. Like, maybe you would just have defeated the demon and all would be well, except no, that's not melodramatic enough. So they hand the idiot ball to Marethari.

I can get on board with this.

[LobselVith8]

Merrill just bugged me because of the dippy, child-in-a-woman's body trope they decided to use for her. Her and Sera. We really need an Isseya next time, if we get another elf female companion.

 

I would have liked a pro-Dalish elven companion, as a distinction from the pro-Andrastian characters among the advisers, companions, and even minor characters in Inquisition.

 

The thing about her quest, it's so much like what happens in TME with Imshael that I think Bioware is trying to call back to the early humans and show the Forgotten Ones and other powerful spirits luring people with promise of forgotten knowledge. It's thematic inversion. I just didn't like it because it was so forced, as most things in DA2 were. Like, maybe you would just have defeated the demon and all would be well, except no, that's not melodramatic enough. So they hand the idiot ball to Marethari.

 

Marethari doesn't come across well in that quest. I also thought it was unfortunate that the Eluvian story arc went nowhere, whether it's Merrill's efforts to construct her own or Briala's Olresian Eluvian network.