For all the Loreheads -
Stumbled across this really well put together tumblr that compiles the in-game codex entires
Please marry me. I've been wanting something so nicely organized for a while. I play my PC hooked up to my TV and for some reason I find reading all the codex entries really annoying, but I love the lore.
I don't know what it is. I liked her at first, I loved that she referred to everyone as "darling" or "my dear" (whenever my sister and I talk on the phone we usually say "Hello, darling," to be camp), but after a couple of playthroughs I just stopped liking her. I dunno, it's probably because she doesn't get along with anyone except Varric and Iron Bull, and it does seem like she insults people to be nasty, whereas the likes of Javik is just being brutally honest.
Vivienne sort of reminds me of the crankier kitties I had to deal with when I worked an animal shelter. She's snarky and off-putting because she just doesn't know any other way to be, like a kitty who only knows how to hiss and scratch people. She's spent too long in an environment where everything is about advantage, and every act of kindness comes with strings attached. She's convinced that she can't afford to be nice, even for a moment.
On topic: Solas reaction to the Qun irks me quite a bit. He reminds me more of an old man yelling against communists in a bar than a person with reasoned arguments. It's funny that he's actually trying to indoctrinate Bull against the Qun, while Bull never tries to indoctrinate anyone.
This is why I wanted to just turn around and smack Solas whenever he starts in on Bull. Even my Adaar, who is no fan of the Qun, thought Solas was being an ass.
Vivienne sort of reminds me of the crankier kitties I had to deal with when I worked an animal shelter. She's snarky and off-putting because she just doesn't know any other way to be, like a kitty who only knows how to hiss and scratch people. She's spent too long in an environment where everything is about advantage, and every act of kindness comes with strings attached. She's convinced that she can't afford to be nice, even for a moment.
This is why I wanted to just turn around and smack Solas whenever he starts in on Bull. Even my Adaar, who is no fan of the Qun, thought Solas was being an ass.
I'd concede to that if we ever got the opportunity to "soften up" Vivienne, but we don't, sadly. 
Maybe in future.
I don't mind when he goes off on Bull about the Qun, because even though Bull doesn't actively try to convert anyone to the Qun, he will defend it when it's brought up, showing that even if he doesn't fully like the Qun he still believes in it and sees it as a good thing.
That being said, when he goes off on Dorian about Tevinter, and even when Dorian apologizes for what his people have done to the elves and Solas still doesn't let up on him, that's when I want to smack his shiny head. x)
Very true, but something tells me its Tallis-Tallis. I will be happy if wrong, however.
I didn't know who Felicia Day was before the DLC, which was very funny but I would rather have played it without Tallis. Specially when she started her Qunfangirl speech, I was like "b*tch please, I'm basalit-an"
On topic: Solas reaction to the Qun irks me quite a bit. He reminds me more of an old man yelling against communists in a bar than a person with reasoned arguments. It's funny that he's actually trying to indoctrinate Bull against the Qun, while Bull never tries to indoctrinate anyone.
Solas' reaction to a lot of things irked me a bit. The Qun being one of them. His treatment of Dorian being another -- at points it was just straight up jerkiness to Dorian's sincerity. His tendency to assume the worst in a person because of his negative views of their race. My Lavellan is really easy-going so it was easier for her to forgive him for a lot and he made up for it in other ways but I have to head-canon that they delved into these things a bit in private.
As soon as the word "re-educators," any and all redeeming qualities of the Qun went up in flames--in my mind-space.
It is really an interesting term to use, considering how historically charged it is and its connection to forms of highly oppressive governments. Not that there should be any one-to-one connection between DA and the real world, and one should be careful of making any sweeping analogies. But THAT word.
Re-education. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.
(Side-note, which might color my reading: My good friend works at an NGO in Seoul helping North Korean refugees acclimate to South Korean society. And what she told me of North Korean re-education--really terrifying. So, as soon as Bull started talking about re-educators, I wanted to immediately burn down the Qun. Again, I don't want to equate one with the other, but it was difficult for me to divorce the two . . . as a player. BURN IT!)
Edit: So I was with Solas on his Qun old-man hatred. But his treatment of Dorian . . . Solas, no. Just, no.
Hey guys! Sorry to cut in but I've been wondering about Solas for a while and thought that this would be the place to discuss it?
Anyways, can anyone tell me where people are getting the idea that
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Fen'harel freed the slaves? If that was even a thing?
We don't really know exactly what he did. I think we can be fairly certain he DID lock the gods away. But it was obviously for reasons beyond malice. What we can gather from Cole in game, it was to save "them".
What he did before then? Possibly was trying to free slaves. Start a rebellion. But we can only infer that from the codex entry from the Orlesian professor who appears to have dropped his notes in The Temple of Mythal.
As soon as the word "re-educators," any and all redeeming qualities of the Qun went up in flames--in my mind-space.
It is really an interesting term to use, considering how historically charged it is and its connection to forms of highly oppressive governments. Not that there should be any one-to-one connection between DA and the real world, and one should be careful of making any sweeping analogies. But THAT word.
Re-education. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.
(Side-note, which might color my reading: My good friend works at an NGO in Seoul helping North Korean refugees acclimate to South Korean society. And what she told me of North Korean re-education--really terrifying. So, as soon as Bull started talking about re-educators, I wanted to immediately burn down the Qun. Again, I don't want to equate one with the other, but it was difficult for me to divorce the two . . . as a player. BURN IT!)
Edit: So I was with Solas on his Qun old-man hatred. But his treatment of Dorian . . . Solas, no. Just, no.
I *really* don't like the Qun and that right there is one of the reasons. If someone isn't happy in the Qun? No problem we'll just drug you up and screw with your mind until you DO like it. Still not happy? Oh well, we'll just turn you into a mindless laborer by wiping out everything. That's as bad or worse than tranquility.
You can have that one conversation with Bull about it and he says something to the effect of hey at least the Qun tries to fix you. Fix you? There's nothing wrong with not being happy about being told what you'll do, say and think for the rest of your life. I think I'd rather be executed. Cause if the Qun can't "fix" you they'll sure as heck turn you into a mindless slave.
So uh I guess what I'm saying is that I don't get mad at Solas for how he goes on about the Qun cause I actually agree lol. I do get annoyed with him when he's snippy with Dorian. But they have their bonding moments over magic.
I don't mind when he goes off on Bull about the Qun, because even though Bull doesn't actively try to convert anyone to the Qun, he will defend it when it's brought up, showing that even if he doesn't fully like the Qun he still believes in it and sees it as a good thing.
And how is that a bad thing? If Bull thinks that the Qun is a good thing even with all its faults, he doesn't have to apologise to Solas just because he doesn't like it. He has the right to think the Qun is overall a good thing as Dorian has the right to think that Tevinter has good things that deserve to be fought for.
I don't like drawing parallels between the game and real life, unless is to figure out what aspects of the real world and its history have influenced the game. But I can't see how some things linked to very personal experiences can colour one's perception of the game.
After Abelas leaves the temple of Mythal, he meets up with Velanna and they raise up their own brood of racist babies to hate on the shems, certain in their superiority and sneering at all other comers.
Where is that Cass 'I Ship It' image when I need it?
it conflicts with my Velanna/Nate pairing but who cares, it's awesome.
We don't really know exactly what he did. I think we can be fairly certain he DID lock the gods away. But it was obviously for reasons beyond malice. What we can gather from Cole in game, it was to save "them".
What he did before then? Possibly was trying to free slaves. Start a rebellion. But we can only infer that from the codex entry from the Orlesian professor who appears to have dropped his notes in The Temple of Mythal.
Oops, sorry for the spoiler? She's the one that signs the communications with the Inquisition. I thought she was going to have a greater role in DA4; I'm kind of glad it was limited to that (to say that I don't like her is... a big understatement)
I both like and dislike Talis. I like how she's a qunari who is conflicted about her role in the Qun, but I hate how I can't argue with her. My Hawke was a mage and listening to Talis go on and on about she should join the Qun made me wish for the option to say 'soooo... do I sew my own mouth shut, or do you do it for me?'
And how is that a bad thing? If Bull thinks that the Qun is a good thing even with all its faults, he doesn't have to apologise to Solas just because he doesn't like it. He has the right to think the Qun is overall a good thing as Dorian has the right to think that Tevinter has good things that deserve to be fought for.
I don't like drawing parallels between the game and real life, unless is to figure out what aspects of the real world and its history have influenced the game. But I can't see how some things linked to very personal experiences can colour one's perception of the game.
As soon as the word "re-educators," any and all redeeming qualities of the Qun went up in flames--in my mind-space.
It is really an interesting term to use, considering how historically charged it is and its connection to forms of highly oppressive governments. Not that there should be any one-to-one connection between DA and the real world, and one should be careful of making any sweeping analogies. But THAT word.
Re-education. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.
(Side-note, which might color my reading: My good friend works at an NGO in Seoul helping North Korean refugees acclimate to South Korean society. And what she told me of North Korean re-education--really terrifying. So, as soon as Bull started talking about re-educators, I wanted to immediately burn down the Qun. Again, I don't want to equate one with the other, but it was difficult for me to divorce the two . . . as a player. BURN IT!)
Edit: So I was with Solas on his Qun old-man hatred. But his treatment of Dorian . . . Solas, no. Just, no.
In practice, the Qun is horrific. After DA2 I was like - 'haha...worst place ever'. As a philosophy, it's intriguing...to me at least. Like I said, I think my Lavellan with all her hang-ups over 'wtf do i do with this thing' would have acknowledged that there is a comfort in their order. Though at the end of the day she would know the sacrifice to get that, would not be worth it. I don't fault Solas for his grumpiness at Bull over it at all BUT I still think he comes off as a bit of a dick. This may go to my whole thing about Dorian's sincerity. Dorian is a slave apologist. IB does find comfort in certain aspects of the Qun. Both were decent people though and wanted to be friends with Solas or try to talk to him. Solas was just...urgh about how he dealt with them. Not an aspect of his personality I was very fond of.
Hey guys! Sorry to cut in but I've been wondering about Solas for a while and thought that this would be the place to discuss it?
Anyways, can anyone tell me where people are getting the idea that
Spoiler spoiler spoiler
Fen'harel freed the slaves? If that was even a thing?
No need to worry about spoliers around here! It's been several months and this is Fen'Harel's fan thread.
There's a codex entry in the Temple of Mythal that makes the theory he freed the slaves, and it fits with his utter hatred of his girlfriend's vallaslin.
And how is that a bad thing? If Bull thinks that the Qun is a good thing even with all its faults, he doesn't have to apologise to Solas just because he doesn't like it. He has the right to think the Qun is overall a good thing as Dorian has the right to think that Tevinter has good things that deserve to be fought for.
I don't like drawing parallels between the game and real life, unless is to figure out what aspects of the real world and its history have influenced the game. But I can't see how some things linked to very personal experiences can colour one's perception of the game.
I don't expect Bull to do that, just as I don't give reprimanding answers in regards to the Qun when I talk to him about it. I love that I have the option to say to Bull "to be honest I don't really understand enough of the Qun to judge it" (or words to that effect), and I RP that Ilaria doesn't get involved when the two argue about it. But I don't disagree with Solas either, particularly the slavery comparisons and the indoctrination.
But facts are as they are and, to an extent, Bull agrees with the Qun and thinks, despite its flaws, it would be a better system for everyone all around. I don't.
I was trying to discuss this before but I kept getting ignored, but I really want to talk about it!!!!
What if everything we thought was wrong? I mean solas says contestantly that the elves aren't his people, and it's been tearing me apart T.T
I made a suggestion like months ago that just got brushed off...What if...
To be fair Solas doesn't go around constantly saying the elves aren't his people. There's that one conversation you can have after Wicked Hearts where he says he doesn't see that he has much in common with the elves. And honestly he's right, he really doesn't have much in common with them. Doesn't mean he doesn't want to help them.
I think a lot of people (myself included) get annoyed when, playing an elf, Solas will say "I sense an artifact of my people". But I really think that they just didn't record a separate line for elf inquisitors.
Also, a lot of the things we post here are just conjecture based on hints given in conversation and codex entries. We don't really *know* much about what Solas did or did not do.
No need to worry about spoliers around here! It's been several months and this is Fen'Harel's fan thread.
There's a codex entry in the Temple of Mythal that makes the theory he freed the slaves, and it fits with his utter hatred of his girlfriend's vallaslin.
What if...Solas isn't the man we think he is you guys?
What if all he holier than though attitude comes to bear in a way we never expected?
What if he wanted to protect his people from what they had caused? What if there was some consequences to the way they were living and he wanted to save them from it?
What if he left everyone else to rot, and was just surprised to find, when he woke up, that these "savages" still lived?
What if he was protecting the people he deemed worthy from the blight? Kind of like the rapture or something? Just as an analogy.
That's a lot of what ifs. 
I'm not entirely sure on the point you're trying to make though.
That's a lot of what ifs.
And another thing!
I was wondering about the way Mythal has kept herself alive for so long.
You guys! You guys!!!! What if that was the way the ancient elves sustained themselves for generations!? By inhabiting the bodies of the younger for years? But she said a soul is not forced upon the unwilling you may say, but what if...
What if people were reeducate/educated to take on the soul willingly, as a high honor!?
What if that what the slaves were all for in the end, why they don't live as long, because they are just vessels!?
That's a theory that's been discussed around here a lot. Personally? Not a fan. Solas indicates that immortality was linked to being elven, and Mythal's situation seems to be more to do with her murder and her spirit clinging to life.
Plus, Abelas and his buddies have been around for god knows how long, presumably in the same bodies they have always inhabited. It's not really clear what will happen to Abelas after the Well of Sorrows is destroyed/drunken from, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that he'll die. It looks like he'll keep going as he always has, over the years, though not in the sort of stasis he seemed to exist in before.
Sorry if I'm not being very clear...
It's fine, others seem to understand what you're saying I'm just dumb and it's nice to see you excited to talk about it. ^^
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