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[ConcernedGeek]

Sorry if I'm not being very clear...

Basically what I'm thinking is, what if Solas only saved a select few people, slaves or otherwise, from the coming...whatever it was he wanted to protect them from.

If it was the blight or the seperation of the veil I don't know, but he wanted to protect them from something. The question I was ruminating on was, why these people called Elvhen? What made them better then the elves of this present time? Are they a seperate species/race subset? Did they act in a way that made Fen'harel prefer them? Or is it time that seperates these elves in Fen'harel 's mind!

[ConcernedGeek]

It's fine, others seem to understand what you're saying I'm just dumb and it's nice to see you excited to talk about it. ^^

I'm so stoked to talk about this, no one I know plays dragon age except me XD

[Armdin]

Basically what I'm thinking is, what if Solas only saved a select few people, slaves or otherwise, from the coming...whatever it was he wanted to protect them from.

If it was the blight or the seperation of the veil I don't know, but he wanted to protect them from something. The question I was ruminating on was, why these people called Elvhen? What made them better then the elves of this present time? Are they a seperate species/race subset? Did they act in a way that made Fen'harel prefer them? Or is it time that seperates these elves in Fen'harel 's mind!

 

I think it's just in regards to how the elves have fallen since Fen'Harel went to sleep. We can presume he was the big hero and saved the day, all tuckered out and went to sleep, woke up a thousand years later and the elves are - as he says - shadows of their former selves. The elves were the big dogs in Thedas, now they're slaves in alienages of ignorant children parading around as if wiser than all else.

[Armdin]

I'm so stoked to talk about this, no one I know plays dragon age except me XD

 

I know them feels. I come here so often because I can't fangirl to my partner (he got the game for his birthday, but I've played it a buttload more than he has and essentially ruined it for him xD) and my sister hasn't played it yet and isn't much of fan of the series so... no one IRL to fangirl to. ;_;

But it's okay, the people here are amazing to geek out at. xD

[Mims]

The main issue with that theory is that it becomes confusing as to why Mythal's betrayers would kill her. Its kind of like the whole Avatar thing. If you know that the person you hate is not bound by said body, then the thing you want to do is keep them alive but pacified in some other way. 

 

Mythal speaks about the effort it took to find Flemeth, and it doesn't sound like it was an easy process. 

 

As for his purpose- I don't think we're likely to find Fen'Harel having had cruel intentions for sealing away the elven gods. Not when we know the Pantheon was as corrupt as it was. Although it is certainly possible that, in order for the elven gods to be trapped, many other elves were caught up in the same snare in the process. 

[ConcernedGeek]

I think it's just in regards to how the elves have fallen since Fen'Harel went to sleep. We can presume he was the big hero and saved the day, all tuckered out and went to sleep, woke up a thousand years later and the elves are - as he says - shadows of their former selves. The elves were the big dogs in Thedas, now they're slaves in alienages of ignorant children parading around as if wiser than all else.

But he never claims that they are his people, why not if he's the one who freed them? Does he not want to lower himself by saying that these elves are his people too?

I was really wondering about this mainly because at the end Fen'harel says to Mythal that the people need him

Which people? The Elvhen who he says are his people, or the people who are dying out in Thedas who are called elves?

[Illyria]

I think it's just in regards to how the elves have fallen since Fen'Harel went to sleep. We can presume he was the big hero and saved the day, all tuckered out and went to sleep, woke up a thousand years later and the elves are - as he says - shadows of their former selves. The elves were the big dogs in Thedas, now they're slaves in alienages of ignorant children parading around as if wiser than all else.

 

I think Felassan's story about the Slow Arrow in The Masked Empire is the story of what happened to the elves.

 

From the wiki:

Spoiler

The god Fen'Harel was asked by a village to kill a great beast. He came to the beast at dawn, and saw its strength, and knew it would slay him if he fought it. So instead, he shot an arrow up into the sky. The villagers asked Fen'Harel how he would save them, and he said to them, 'When did I say that I would save you?' And he left, and the great beast came into the village that night and killed the warriors, and the women, and the elders. It came to the children and opened its great maw, but then the arrow that Fen'Harel had loosed fell from the sky into the great beast's mouth, and killed it. The children of the village wept for their parents and elders, but still they made an offering to Fen'Harel of thanks, for he had done what the villagers had asked. He had killed the beast, with his cunning, and a slow arrow that the beast never noticed.

 

The elders of the village are the elves of the past, the children are the elves of today. They were saved, but at a huge cost.

[ConcernedGeek]

I know them feels. I come here so often because I can't fangirl to my partner (he got the game for his birthday, but I've played it a buttload more than he has and essentially ruined it for him xD) and my sister hasn't played it yet and isn't much of fan of the series so... no one IRL to fangirl to. ;_;

But it's okay, the people here are amazing to geek out at. xD

I have a lot of geeking to do then >

[ConcernedGeek]

Plus, Abelas and his buddies have been around for god knows how long, presumably in the same bodies they have always inhabited. It's not really clear what will happen to Abelas after the Well of Sorrows is destroyed/drunken from, but there doesn't seem to be any indication that he'll die. It looks like he'll keep going as he always has, over the years, though not in the sort of stasis he seemed to exist in before.

I thought he and his kin would die out now, because of the veil not being present?

[Elessara]

Basically what I'm thinking is, what if Solas only saved a select few people, slaves or otherwise, from the coming...whatever it was he wanted to protect them from.

If it was the blight or the seperation of the veil I don't know, but he wanted to protect them from something. The question I was ruminating on was, why these people called Elvhen? What made them better then the elves of this present time? Are they a seperate species/race subset? Did they act in a way that made Fen'harel prefer them? Or is it time that seperates these elves in Fen'harel 's mind!

 

That's an interesting what if, however ... they would be called elvhen because that's what they were.  And they wouldn't be better than the elves of the present time because at the time they were presumable saved all of the elves were the same and all of the elves were called elvhen.

 

Actually I guess I find these questions confusing.  Are you saying, what if Fen'Harel saved a certain group of elves and why would he have saved them?  I don't know, we have no way of knowing that right now.

[Rabbitonfire]

Thanks, all - and yuss, here's my tumblr.

 

 

Absolutely. I did a "90's Mcqueen" image search, and that gold coat in particular was direct reference (and now I'm never allowed to draw feathers again - I've exceeded my allotment).

 

AHHHHHHHH! I already follow you! I love your little goblin and his outfits! Hi, I'm a fan.

[Elessara]

I thought he and his kin would die out now, because of the veil not being present?

 

Why would you think that?  We don't know when (or why) the Veil was created.  Presumably it existed in the time of Arlathan because that was when the eluvian and the in-between places were created.

[Armdin]

But he never claims that they are his people, why not if he's the one who freed them? Does he not want to lower himself by saying that these elves are his people too?

I was really wondering about this mainly because at the end Fen'harel says to Mythal that the people need him

Which people? The Elvhen who he says are his people, or the people who are dying out in Thedas who are called elves?

 

I think he mentions this if you make Briala lead in Wicked Hearts, but he does say he doesn't really relate to our elves or see himself as one of them. x) The elves of the past are who he still sees as his people. Someone mentioned a few posts back regarding Solas being disconnected from reality to an extent, and I agree heartily. It's understandable if you go to sleep for so long and everything you knew has changed or gone. And Cole's comment when he breaks up with you along the lines of "You're real, and that means everything else could be too," lends to this argument. Does this mean Solas is clinging to the past still?

 

This is something I've wanted to bring up actually. Abelas and his sentinels can't be the only ancient elves still around. If they could hide, so could others. Does Solas suspect some of "his" people are still around?

 

*strokes long white beard contemplatively*

[Armdin]

I think Felassan's story about the Slow Arrow in The Masked Empire is the story of what happened to the elves.

 

From the wiki:

Spoiler

The god Fen'Harel was asked by a village to kill a great beast. He came to the beast at dawn, and saw its strength, and knew it would slay him if he fought it. So instead, he shot an arrow up into the sky. The villagers asked Fen'Harel how he would save them, and he said to them, 'When did I say that I would save you?' And he left, and the great beast came into the village that night and killed the warriors, and the women, and the elders. It came to the children and opened its great maw, but then the arrow that Fen'Harel had loosed fell from the sky into the great beast's mouth, and killed it. The children of the village wept for their parents and elders, but still they made an offering to Fen'Harel of thanks, for he had done what the villagers had asked. He had killed the beast, with his cunning, and a slow arrow that the beast never noticed.

 

The elders of the village are the elves of the past, the children are the elves of today. They were saved, but at a huge cost.

 

I love this entry. I think it's also one of the few that doesn't depict Fen'Harel as a wolf. Although imagining a wolf trying to handle a bow and arrow makes me grin stupidly.

[ConcernedGeek]

The main issue with that theory is that it becomes confusing as to why Mythal's betrayers would kill her. Its kind of like the whole Avatar thing. If you know that the person you hate is not bound by said body, then the thing you want to do is keep them alive but pacified in some other way.

Mythal speaks about the effort it took to find Flemeth, and it doesn't sound like it was an easy process.

As for his purpose- I don't think we're likely to find Fen'Harel having had cruel intentions for sealing away the elven gods. Not when we know the Pantheon was as corrupt as it was. Although it is certainly possible that, in order for the elven gods to be trapped, many other elves were caught up in the same snare in the process.

I suppose the transition would have had to be difficult to make Mythal so pissed off at her killer, she would NOT(edit sorry) have had to time to do the amulet/horcrux thing she did with Hawke at Sundermount thing with Flemeth. That wouldn't be clawing and crawling throught the ages would it?

I understand that there wasn't malicious intent in sealing people away, I mean to imply there was malicious intent for those he DID NOT seal away, or warn to sleep in uthenera(or however you spell it). Why would he leave so many people out? Let them rot away, and then just abandon as soon as he sees that they're suffering in the present day.

[Elessara]

But he never claims that they are his people, why not if he's the one who freed them? Does he not want to lower himself by saying that these elves are his people too?

I was really wondering about this mainly because at the end Fen'harel says to Mythal that the people need him

Which people? The Elvhen who he says are his people, or the people who are dying out in Thedas who are called elves?

 

In the Emerald Graves, at Elgar'nan's Bastion, Solas will say, "My people built a life here ... it must have been something to see."  He was referencing the elves of the Dales.  Now, granted that was 700 years prior to DAI however the elves of the Dales would still be "modern" elves to Solas.  The elves that created the Dales were not immortal and from all inferences were very much like the elves of the present time.  And to an immortal, 700 years is kind of a drop in the bucket considering he's probably several thousand years old.

[Illyria]

I love this entry. I think it's also one of the few that doesn't depict Fen'Harel as a wolf. Although imagining a wolf trying to handle a bow and arrow makes me grin stupidly.

 

Fen'Harel and the Tree is pretty ambiguous on the 'wolf or elf' thing.

[Kestrel]

My head canon is that after the events, my Inquisitor begins to extensively explore the old elven ruins, searching both for signs of Solas and for further information about the true history of the elves, any remnants of what may be left. Perhaps she actually tracks down the Sentinel Elves- I can't see her leaving them in peace. She's rude like that. Hopefully, when we get that DLC (gotta stay positive), we're going to see a bit more of A. Abelas and Co B. Solas, and how he relates the world he fell asleep in to the world he's woken up in. 

[Illyria]

I suppose the transition would have had to be difficult to make Mythal so pissed off at her killer, she would NOT(edit sorry) have had to time to do the amulet/horcrux thing she did with Hawke at Sundermount thing with Flemeth. That wouldn't be clawing and crawling throught the ages would it?

I understand that there wasn't malicious intent in sealing people away, I mean to imply there was malicious intent for those he DID NOT seal away, or warn to sleep in uthenera(or however you spell it). Why would he leave so many people out? Let them rot away, and then just abandon as soon as he sees that they're suffering in the present day.

 

The implication is that he sealed away his fellow 'gods' (for their own good, according to the post-breakup banter with Cole).  The rest of the elves were left.  That's why I compared them to the children in the story of the Slow Arrow.  They may have been freed, but they were helpless.  Their 'gods' were gone and the one that was left vanished.

[Elessara]

I think he mentions this if you make Briala lead in Wicked Hearts, but he does say he doesn't really relate to our elves or see himself as one of them. x) The elves of the past are who he still sees as his people. Someone mentioned a few posts back regarding Solas being disconnected from reality to an extent, and I agree heartily. It's understandable if you go to sleep for so long and everything you knew has changed or gone. And Cole's comment when he breaks up with you along the lines of "You're real, and that means everything else could be too," lends to this argument. Does this mean Solas is clinging to the past still?

 

This is something I've wanted to bring up actually. Abelas and his sentinels can't be the only ancient elves still around. If they could hide, so could others. Does Solas suspect some of "his" people are still around?

 

*strokes long white beard contemplatively*

 

Cole seems to have an interesting definition of the word "real" though.  When you talk to him about his past, he briefly talks about the events that happened in Asunder and how he went to Adamant with Rhys and Evangeline and they met a man there.  A demon touched the man's mind and made him real but he wasn't supposed to be real.  He was talking about the Tranquil who was cured of tranquility.  So apparently to Cole, Tranquil aren't "real".  I've always found that interesting.  So I've always puzzled over what Cole means by that line about the Inquisitor being "real".

[ConcernedGeek]

Why would you think that?  We don't know when (or why) the Veil was created.  Presumably it existed in the time of Arlathan because that was when the eluvian and the in-between places were created.

I was watching one of those theory videos on YouTube and it was talking about how in the masked empire the elves felt more energetic when the veil was present, while the human seemed to slow down and feel sick. Was the viel the source of thier immortality, or was it really just part of being Elvhen? Why did the elves lose this after all? It couldn't have been from interbreeding with humans, because a human elf relation only produces human babies, as shown with Alistair and Michel.

[Armdin]

Fen'Harel and the Tree is pretty ambiguous on the 'wolf or elf' thing.

 

See now you've given me this idea in my head that Felassan is this awesome storyteller who, every few chapters, breaks up the story to fanboy over Fen'Harel, and I'll be so sad if that's not the case. ;_; Please tell me that's the case.

[AryBoBary]

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This is something I've wanted to bring up actually. Abelas and his sentinels can't be the only ancient elves still around. If they could hide, so could others. Does Solas suspect some of "his" people are still around?

 

*strokes long white beard contemplatively*

 

This brings to mind what Solas says to Abelas in the Temple of Mythal.

 

"There are other places, friend. Other duties. Your people yet linger."  It is theorized that Abelas and Solas know each other to be kin at this point, Ancient Elvhen, so for Solas to say this seems to imply that he has knowledge of others like them, out there... somewhere.  Somewhere West-since that's where everyone is frickin' headed.   

 

I think.

[Illyria]

See now you've given me this idea in my head that Felassan is this awesome storyteller who, every few chapters, breaks up the story to fanboy over Fen'Harel, and I'll be so sad if that's not the case. ;_; Please tell me that's the case.

 

That's... pretty much canon.

 

He tells Briala stories of Fen'Harel; it's implied he's working for him and against the god he's bound to as much as he able to; and his name translates as 'Slow Arrow'.