http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Executors
The use of 'caterpillar on the leaf' sounds very much in the style of the Qun. I imagine Koslun would frame his poetry in the way natural to the kossith.
"Remember that, for the moment, we are not your enemy."
'More will come. We prepare for the day and hold vigil.' Vigil over what? What day? More followers? Why would they join? Double-Blight, the elf gods returning, WHAT?!
OHMYGOSHOHMYGOSHOHMYGOSH!
*rocking back and forth*
*heavy breathing*
*eyes bulging*
http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Executors
The use of 'caterpillar on the leaf' sounds very much in the style of the Qun. I imagine Koslun would frame his poetry in the way natural to the kossith.
"Remember that, for the moment, we are not your enemy."
'More will come. We prepare for the day and hold vigil.' Vigil over what? What day? More followers? Why would they join? Double-Blight, the elf gods returning, WHAT?!
OHMYGOSHOHMYGOSHOHMYGOSH!
*rocking back and forth*
*heavy breathing*
*eyes bulging*
If they actually put in the Twin-Soul-Double-Dragon Blight I'm going to scream loudly enough for them to hear me in Canada.
THE FACT THEY MENTION THAT THE INQUISITION HAS MORE TROUBLE HEADING ITS WAY SEEMS TO IMPLY EITHER THE EXECUTORS SHOWING UP IN DLC FOR INQUISITION OR THAT WHATEVER DANGER THEY'RE STANDING VIGIL FOR WILL BE IN DLC.
I SEEM TO BE SHAKING.
THE FACT THEY MENTION THAT THE INQUISITION HAS MORE TROUBLE HEADING ITS WAY SEEMS TO IMPLY EITHER THE EXECUTORS SHOWING UP IN DLC FOR INQUISITION OR THAT WHATEVER DANGER THEY'RE STANDING VIGIL FOR WILL BE IN DLC.
I SEEM TO BE SHAKING.
Yup, that's why I wonder if this might end up tying into whatever is happening with Solas and the ancient elves. But so many things seem to have connections...
THE FACT THEY MENTION THAT THE INQUISITION HAS MORE TROUBLE HEADING ITS WAY SEEMS TO IMPLY EITHER THE EXECUTORS SHOWING UP IN DLC FOR INQUISITION OR THAT WHATEVER DANGER THEY'RE STANDING VIGIL FOR WILL BE IN DLC.
I SEEM TO BE SHAKING.
Now I'm getting excited. This is all very intriguing! Urgh!!
MUST. KNOW. MOAR. >___<
If they actually put in the Twin-Soul-Double-Dragon Blight I'm going to scream loudly enough for them to hear me in Canada.
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I'M IN CANADA LETS SHOUT TOGETHER
May is still so far away, WoT vol 2 is supposed to have new expanded maps. *w*
Totally relevant because Iron Bull:Mr Hnoj @eplerjcHey, @PatrickWeekes, fyi I may have suggested we do a talk next year in which glitterbombs and gold sequined suits figure heavily.Patrick Weekes @PatrickWeekes@eplerjc Get Glittered By Epleekes: No, Really, That's the Title
God this thread moves like a wild fire in a forest that hasn't seen rain in 10 years. x_x
But going back... someone was talking about an actor that could play a younger Solas. I don't know why, but my brain (when I first saw Solas) immediately went to the guy that played the bad guy in The Mummy, Arnold Vasloo. He was also Rose's wife in Titanic. I don't know why my brain went there exactly, perhaps the way his face just has that sort of... deep look... I donno. Either way, my brain went there. I couldn't find a really good pic that I felt did him justice but it helps that he was bald for the part in The Mummy (http://s1.cinema.com...b/3888_1080.jpg is one picture I found).
Wait hang on,
"Those Across the Sea" are not Qunari, and call themselves The Executors. I chose the Leliana path which simply uncovered info, but out of curiousity I checked the wiki for the Cullen path, and that was even weirder. Seems like three whole camps of Inquisition soldiers simply vanish, with a message from those Executors people that they left willingly for whatever "powers beyond the sea" the Executors were serving. They also seem to hint at future troubles they "hold vigil" for.
Of course, my first thought was that this might be our first encounter with the Kossith, whoever and whatever they are. But in any case, this is big stuff. Like Tirashan big. I want so badly to see what's beyond Thedas...which although we use is as the term for the entire setting, it's actually just the continent we've seen so far. So exciting! I've always thought that when we went north, the story might turn into the Qunari invasion that's been hinted at the whole time, but what if we actually have surprise Kossith invasion coming instead? Might end up giving the Qunari their own Temple of Mythal moment.
Or, if it turns out the Qunari are linked to the elves, and the Kossith are actually another elven faction, that might end up tying into the Inquisitor's current storyarc, which was hinted at by the Executors saying the Inquisition had more troubles coming in the future. Is it also possible they know about Solas? Or maybe they're the reason Solas is in a rush to act...
Humans and Qunari both came fleeing *something* from beyond the Thedas we know... What's out there?
Hang on hang on, did I miss something?
I thought Kossith was the species name for the Qun following creatures. Are they something else entirely and I'm completely wrong? If there is a connection between Qunari and elves, that would explain the pointy ears.
And out of curiosity how far north does ParVolun extend? Is it an island or another continent, and either way how far north have the Qunari explored? Maybe they have maps (secret maps?) of whatever is hiding up there. Is it dragons? I'm betting it's dragons.
And if it turns out that whatever these 'Executors' are 'holding vigil' for is in fact the twin soul double blight then I will hold myself and giggle with glee for 300 years (and then be found to be historically inaccurate).
Also, are they Executors as in executioners? Are they executing people, or are they executing plans? in which case, whose plans, and why?
SO. MANY. QUESTIONS.
Sorry for the rambling, I become incoherent when I'm excited.
Top Solas of excessive sexiness:
That last patch apparently fixed some War Table bugs, since my post-game file had several new missions pop up that I've never seen before. One in particular is really interesting. It's a continuation of the mission about the investigation into the strange markings (triangle with two wavy lines intercrossed) someone was placing all over Inquisition sites. Originally that kinda went nowhere, and I figured it was left in the air, but now there's more.
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This is so interesting, and I'm enjoying thinking about all the things it could mean... but every single time I read Executors, I read it as Exeggutors. In the voice.
*incoherent rambling*
Kossith is the name of the species of bronze-skinned, horned giants that form the majority of Qunari. Qunari don't pay attention to race, so almost no one in Dragon Age uses that term for them anymore.
What we know from Bull and others is that the Qunari fled the kossith and came to Thedas, rather than the previously assumed 'They're a vanguard of a whole continent of Qunari'.
I believe Par Vollen is an island. 
But we don't know what lies beyond on the map, and the maps don't usually show all of Par Vollen.
Regardless, it seems the Qunari sailed in from the northeast of Par Vollen.
The Antivan merchants who are sailing too close to 'Those Beyond the Sea' seem to be exploring east from Antiva.
The Qunari Elf connection is due to Corypheus referring to Qunari Inquisitors as a 'mistake, blood gorged on corruption', Kieran saying that Qunari have blood that isn't theirs, Bull sharing Ben-Hassrath theories that the Tamrassrans added dragon blood to the Qunari to make them stronger, Solas being very insistent that Qunari are blood-crazed beasts despite the fact that the stereotype of Qunari is freakishly logical and methodical, and the mosaics which appear to have Qunari centuries before they showed up.
Then there's Liz's comparison of dwarven casteless brands, vallaslin in Arlathan and the Dalish clans, and the Qunari practice of vitaar. All of which suggests a common link.
My theory is that the kossith were originally genetically messed with servants of Elgar'nan. The pyramids in Par Vollen portray horned giants serving the gods, and they're designed to match up to the Sun constellation.
I'm really hoping the kossith are the patient warriors of Elgar'nan waiting for his return.
Does that help?
I, um, definitely don't ramble when I get excited. 
Wait hang on,
Hang on hang on, did I miss something?
I thought Kossith was the species name for the Qun following creatures. Are they something else entirely and I'm completely wrong? If there is a connection between Qunari and elves, that would explain the pointy ears.
And out of curiosity how far north does ParVolun extend? Is it an island or another continent, and either way how far north have the Qunari explored? Maybe they have maps (secret maps?) of whatever is hiding up there. Is it dragons? I'm betting it's dragons.
And if it turns out that whatever these 'Executors' are 'holding vigil' for is in fact the twin soul double blight then I will hold myself and giggle with glee for 300 years (and then be found to be historically inaccurate).
Also, are they Executors as in executioners? Are they executing people, or are they executing plans? in which case, whose plans, and why?
SO. MANY. QUESTIONS.
Sorry for the rambling, I become incoherent when I'm excited.
Qunari as we know them (big folks with horns) aren't considered to be the same as Kossith; how exactly they're different is unknown as much as the Kossith are. Especially now since the Qunari are hinted to be an altered race of some sort. I used to assume that the Kossith was simply the name for the culture the Qunari used to be, which might not be entirely wrong, but now it feels more like there's more to them. Iron Bull is vague about them (probably because he doesn't know much either), as something the Qunari ran away from, and just gave the impression that they might be bad news....
Par Vollen, I'm not sure if it's just an island or a peninsula, but the pyramids there are arranged in the formation matching the constellation that has an association with Elgar'nan. They also feature images of horned people worshipped by humans, and those human inhabitants completely submitted to the Qunari as a result when they showed up. That may mean that the Kossith have been around Thedas in the past, and may have a connection to the elves (who also have some history in the northern islands, if the Fog Warriors' legends are any indication). The theory is that the Qunari, and possibly the Kossith, if they're the original culture, may have been elves altered perhaps with dragon's blood to be a warrior slave race of the ancient elves. The Qunari that we know may essentially be escapees, while the Kossith are the ones who are still overseas following whatever their original order was. Like the difference between modern elves and the Sentinels. The Qunari symbol with it's cross-hatching design looks suspiciously like the same design the ancient elves and the Dalish put all over. And there's also the pointy ears, and the strict breeding practices of Qunari society--elves can't breed with non-elves or the children won't be elves. We still don't know what happens when Qunari breed with other races or elves for that matter. Qunari that are born without horns are considered special for some reason. Are they considered closer to the original unaltered race? They're typically placed in leadership positions.
I suspect the "Executors" are executing plans or orders... They're the acting arm of something. Whose plans and what is definitely the question...
Or maybe Thedas itself is seen as a huge prison from the outside, and that's the vigil they're holding. It's where all the gods are sealed, and all the exiles ran to. The Grey Wardens call themselves the Wardens, but maybe the True Grey Ones aren't the GWs or the Tal-Vashoth. (Super Blight might get their attention among other things...)
Yeah, lots of rambling, but this is where all this speculation takes me. 
I see the glitter is back. Can we now merge again?
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As Hawke says "I don't do anything with children or animals".
I really haven't gotten the us verses them vibe. At all. And I don't understand the reasoning behind either of the mod interventions. The atmosphere seemed fine to me.
(Okay, so we were discussing a lot of glitter and elven pantheon. But it's more like there was so much theory-crafting and fan-art involving them that it was high time they got their own thread.)
No, that's really rather simple. There have been complaints, otherwise the mods would not have bothered.
Also, I was reading something on my phone and hear him say "I like him like this", and look up to see him speaking to Solas in the rotunda, camera positioned in such a way as to make it appear sir elf's head is on fire.
Seems like he's seeing Solas as a real competitor. I mean, I really don't see why he would, like not at all, but something tells me he does...
For reals. Solas came back from the tanning booth and is like, "Want me back now, Vhenan?"
Well, he went West, didn't he? What's in the west? California. Really, I'm totally not surprised.
THE FACT THEY MENTION THAT THE INQUISITION HAS MORE TROUBLE HEADING ITS WAY SEEMS TO IMPLY EITHER THE EXECUTORS SHOWING UP IN DLC FOR INQUISITION OR THAT WHATEVER DANGER THEY'RE STANDING VIGIL FOR WILL BE IN DLC.
I SEEM TO BE SHAKING.
Calm down. Breath easy, girl! Everything will be alright. Repeat after me: "I will not drink my mom's coffee." Better?
Calm down. Breath easy, girl! Everything will be alright. Repeat after me: "I will
notdrinkmy mom'scoffee." Better?
Coffee is a good idea. 
It helps with theory-crafting.
I, um, definitely don't ramble when I get excited.
Yeah, lots of rambling, but this is where all this speculation takes me.
More theories to muse over!
Though now I'm going to have to rethink all my previous theories.
The fact that the pyramids are in the shape of Elgar'nan constellation is intriguing but there's no reason why the Qunari couldn't have their own associations for those constellations.
The pictures of humans worshipping horned things is fascinating! At first my mind just jumped straight to Flemeth and her excellent hair. If it is the kossith then they would have had to live in Thedas, flee without a trace, and abandon the place so thoroughly that the Qunari would consider it a safe place to escape to. They would have to be truly fearsome indeed for the Qunari to flee them, but what could have made then leave in the first place? I doubt the Tevinters could have done it, and I suppose we don't really know what Arlathan was up to at this point. I suppose they could have been sent away by the old elves if they did indeed serve them.
What if they (the kossith) were actually at war with the old elves? Fighting a powerful enemy (since Tevinter apparently wasn't that big a deal just yet) would have given the old elves reason to grow and become the strong united front they must have been at some point (the pantheons high point presumably). Once they beat them, or at least drove them out of Thedas the elven empire could have stagnated with no enemy to unite them, thus letting them fall to infighting. It would also explain why Solas is so very prejudiced against our delightful horned friends, he sees them as just the uncivilized enemy.
Or maybe its both! Perhaps they were a created race servant class that rebelled...
Oh dear. The Rambling's getting worse.
"UGH. Did they put tea in this cocktail?!"
Nope. That's Solas' relaxed face.
I have come to believe Solas is INTJ.
I would just like to pop back in, as it's been forever, and say that there needs to be urine mages or eye gunk mages. Right now.
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