The vibe I get from him is more like...ME2 Illusive Man minus the general jerkbaggery. A potential ally, but equally likely to turn without hesitation if he decides that his own goals are more important than the Inquisition's, and powerful enough to cause a lot of trouble no matter what he does.
You see, I just can't see him as a traitor... He might cease to work with you at some point but he would give you a fair warning...
heres my ramble
obviously it 1) works on the premise that my speculations are true and 2) applies to the character of my lavellan specifically (who is a ruthless hardass basically)
Oww, my feels 
There is a distinct possibility that my Lavellan would try to stop Solas from whatever he's doing but...she's such a softie. Like, a ridiculously nice person who never hurt anyone in DA:I if she could help it. I think she could work up the willpower to oppose Solas if she absolutely had to, but it would just wreck her. And on a meta level, I don't want to lose my one decent character in my main worldstate to that darkness.
I MISSED YOU SO MUCH AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE BACK FOR A BIT
*ahem*
much love zam ^^ I'm using temp internet passes the last few evenings, our new line should hopefully be installed on Monday
in my addled state I stared at the Whale Solas, not comprehending what I was seeing.. LOL
You see, I just can't see him as a traitor... He might cease to work with you at some point but he would give you a fair warning...
Yeah... I don't get the backstabby vibe from him. I'd see more like, "please don't make me do this. Please walk away from this". So he might knife you, but he'd tell you that he's going to do it and give you every opportunity to back out of it. I'm still not totally sold on the idea that he'd go so far as to kill a romanced Lavellan - no matter what the dev notes say -- but I could totally see him incapacitating her.
I would just like to pop back in, as it's been forever, and say that there needs to be urine mages or eye gunk mages. Right now.
I'm intrigued. Please elaborate.
You mean this one? http://jessadilla.tu...om/tagged/solas
Spoiler
There's a couple of others but I'll leave it for the link so people have to click and give the artist some views. *v*
Also, to the last part. Yes. I was still sitting there going "Ggyynnnnnngggguuu!" and then he said "Sleep well?" and I think I melted into a puddle for a good 10 minutes. I'm such a shameful fangirl. ;_;
YES thank you. I'm out of likes, but I like this post. Those comics are so great. :3
Not at all; the first time I got that line and after the very suggestive "Wake up" one with my Cullenmance Trevelyan, I though "This guy is hitting on me? Yes, yes he is." It could be my I-see-wuv-everywhere glasses, but with that pt I got the impression that Solas had a small crush on my Trev.
Yeah, it's even more disconcerting when it's like a big, burly dude he's saying it to. Husband's human warrior male got that line, and I was just sitting there, sweating. >_>
This was posted in the Cass thread:
I like this.
I've been thinking of a new Origins runthrough.
I'm torn between a Dwarf Noble and a City Elf/Dalish Elf.
My canon playthrough is Dalish Elf, but I really, really enjoyed the Dwarf Noble origin. I didn't expect to, but I thought it was one of the more captivating, well written beginnings.
Sexiest photo of Solas evarr. lol (this is tragic)
Spoiler
What a ****** babe.
Oww, my feels
There is a distinct possibility that my Lavellan would try to stop Solas from whatever he's doing but...she's such a softie. Like, a ridiculously nice person who never hurt anyone in DA:I if she could help it. I think the only person I executed was Erimond. I think she could work up the willpower to oppose Solas if she absolutely had to, but it would just wreck her.
i live to serve 
for me (with regards to this specific scenario I posit) it came down to sitting down think about, what does Gryff love more? Solas or her people?
her people. he thinks he's saving them but she thinks he's dooming them.
@Zam: i guess i enjoy the drama in the idea/in the Solavellan story LOL. either way he would definitely plead with and beg her to get out of the way. lots of "please, vhenans!"
in the end in my head I can't see her [mine] staying her blade
ohhh bioware what you do
heres my ramble
sorry for any confusion maria i'm sleepmedicated
This is my headcanon: From what it seems we know the gods deserved to be locked away because they became monsters and tyrants... I'm fairly doubtful Solas intends to release them... He knows what they were, being locked away isn't going to improve their personalities... I don't know what it is but my feeling is that it will be something quite different.
This is my headcanon: From what it seems we know the gods deserved to be locked away because they became monsters and tyrants... I'm fairly doubtful Solas intends to release them... He knows what they were, being locked away isn't going to improve their personalities... I don't know what it is but my feeling is that it will be something quite different.
If he doesn't intend to release them I'm still super excited to find out what he's intending! If you get any ideas on the subject please send them my way I'd love to read.
night thread!
I'm unsure of whether it has been noted here, but the Inquisition tiles have been released in the Dragon Age Keep.
There appear to be a great many choices more than I suspected, and some of them are quite interesting.
i live to serve
for me (with regards to this specific scenario I posit) it came down to sitting down think about, what does Gryff love more? Solas or her people?
her people. he thinks he's saving them but she thinks he's dooming them.
@Zam: i guess i enjoy the drama in the idea/in the Solavellan story LOL.
in the end in my head I can't see her [mine] staying her blade
ohhh bioware what you do
I like the drama/tragedy of it but I'm simultaneously sort of exhausted by it. I feel like there is A LOT of tragedy in entertainment media these days and it's not my jam. Or maybe I just happen to be getting sucked into that media? Do other people notice that trend or is it just me?
So I'd love if we do get the option to murderknife him, or if he can die by other means, that it not be presented as the "correct" or "noble" option like the deaths of Mordin or Ander. I want it to be like... sure he can die but only if you really strive for that outcome. Especially since we've already had the option for one LI to die in DAI.
Just give me my fairy tale ending OK?
I really doubt the Dalish doctored their history, they just don't know most of it. I assumed the reason Keeper Gisharel is the source of most Dalish lore (on our side of things) is because Ralaferin is a rare example of a Dalish clan willing to communicate freely with curious outsiders. But Gisharel isn't the only example we have of Dalish lore sourced by outsiders.
You've probably already seen this codex before, but I like to cover my bases:
http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God
While we don't know exactly how pre-Exalted March elves saw Fen'Harel (personally, I think all the wolf statues/wolf companions make it seem that he was at least tolerated) this codex tells us that harellan didn't change from "noble rebel" to "traitor" until the Towers Age.
That timeframe is particularly significant, because it's directly after the Exalted March of the Dales, when the Dalish as we know them were undergoing their diaspora.
Who can say if the Dalish lore was deliberately doctored or just scrambled in all the chaos? But something happened to change public opinion about him.
Personally, I do think it was doctored. The Dalish would have been terrified and angry, and could have blamed the loss of their gods for the fall of the Dales. Fen'Harel must have seemed like the start of all their troubles.
I reckon some Inquisitors will be able to choose to ally with him/help him ohh yes
just, my lavellan will probably knife him
No you won't..
Why wouldn't Mythal help out the People?
Well, if she was in wisp form most of the time until Flemeth, Flemeth was born at the beginning of the Age after the fall of the Dales. And the Andraste theory would have it so that she tried to help them gain a new home and end their slavery by teaming up with Shartan.
I get the impression that Mythal can't act too openly for whatever reasons. She gets heroes in debt to her and uses that to manipulate history. It looks like she's gathering power. Hell, from the amount of blue light in the epilogue, I'll bet that Urthemiel isn't the first powerful soul she's snagged. (Maybe it's the other daughters? Other Old Gods? *shrug*)
I was...vexed that Mythal didn't explain things to a Lavellan any better. I appreciated Abelas's bluntness in, "Shadows wearing vallaslin. You are not my People." He's lived for thousands of years living the actual meaning of the vallaslin, I can't blame him for being sore.
Mythal was the mother guardian goddess, everything went to hell when she was murdered. She seems to hold some fondness for the Dalish, though. When she's resurrected in 2, I originally thought her comment to Merrill:
"Do you know who I am, beyond that title?"
"No."
"Then stand. The People kneel too quickly."
Was an epic burn against the Dalish that actually shocked me with how nasty it is. Now it comes across as a mother admonishing her children for being too easily impressed.
Solas is excusable that he doesn't tell, for all the reasons other people have mentioned. What isn't excusable is holding the Dalish in contempt like he does, when his own actions had a role to play in the fall of Arlathan, the enslavement, and the fall of the Dales. Fine, some Dalish got snippy with him when he tried to reveal the truth to them. Lavellan is not them. I do appreciate that he tends to get flustered and apologized whenever you point out, "We might get it wrong, but we're trying, and we can't walk the Fade for answers like you do. You're looking down on the People for something that only you can do."
SOLAS: Right, right, Dreamers aren't a dime a dozen. *sighs*
I love the vallaslin scene so much specifically because you can tell Solas "whatever they were before, they're something else now". The modern elves as a culture have experienced so much that Mythal and Fen'Harel haven't; really traumatic things like the scattering of their people after barely gaining a foothold from slavery. As much as I hate to admit it, I feel like Mythal probably didn't interfere because she wants the Dalish to build their own future, not merely recreate Arlathan or Halamshiral. She wanted them to stand on their own, without relying on their gods (which, I think was Arlathan's mistake and ultimately led to the downfall of the empire).
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I think maybe you're underestimating how big of a challenge changing cultural ideas are. Yes, you're right, on an individual level there will be some Dalish that are more open to change than others but as they are now the Dalish are an incredibly insular society. Most of the clans interact very little with other people - even other Dalish - and likely are not accustomed to integrating new ideas into their worldview. The entire reason Merrill becomes a pariah of her clan is because she is challenging the traditional beliefs of the Dalish by fooling around with blood magic. The elves in DA:O never bother to question why their Keeper remains immortal while everyone else dies, despite the fact that he's never shared that very important information with anyone. You have exceptions - like Lavellan's clan - but on the whole we're not looking at a flexible culture here.
And in the real world, it takes a very long time for cultures to change, and the changes are often not undertaken smoothly. Especially when religion is involved. Heck, you can't get most governments to agree that they committed atrocities that there is actual physical evidence for. Even in free democracies. People do not want to believe that their ancestors were wrong, because it usually means that their own worldview is false in some way (i.e. that they've been a dick their whole lives for no actual reason). I don't think that the Dalish as a whole would accept the say-so of anyone if it were to reflect negatively on their culture. Especially when their whole identity is built upon the premise of being a free people driven out of their idyllic homeland by evil shems. Right now they think their history was taken from them, and it'd be a completely different game if they figured out that the elves actually messed it up for themselves and it was only later that the humans came and did all sorts of horrible stuff to their culture. I think they absolutely romanticize their culture - you can hear it in the way they talk about the past as if it were "once upon a time" where everyone was immortal and lovely and sparkling.
And I think maybe you're underestimating just how fluid cultures really are. By their very natures, cultures constantly change, compromise, and adapt to new situations, surroundings, and/or generations. Trust me, I'm studying Jewish and Native American history and cultures in-depth this semester. Holy Crud, you would be surprised just how fluid and flexible they are just by their very existence.
You would be surprised by how many many "timeless traditions" many cultures have that were often created out of necessity or in response to changing circumstances. Just look at the Dalish. When they got their new homeland from helping Andraste, they dedicated their new society to recreating Arlathan. When they lost their homeland, they became nomadic out of necessity to stay out of arm's reach from humans. Solas himself admits that each Dalish clan lives also varies from tribe to tribe. Solas himself admits that no two tribes are exactly the same. Some trade with humans, some are little more than banits, others have disappeared into the forest entirely.
Anyway, I think you're missing my point. I personally don't think the Dalish want to learn about or recreate Arlathan culture because they think it's Perfect, Flawless, and Utopian. I think they want it because it's theirs. It's elven history, heritage, traditions, religion, and culture. They've lived under the boots of humans so long (first under Tevinter and then Andrastians) and have so little knowledge of their own history and culture and way of life, and so would rather learn about and recreate their own society rather than continue to adopt the human's. As a culture, they want to learn about their past because they know so little about it. And if what they learn isn't what they wanted to hear? Oh well, that's part of the learning process.
Sure, they romanticize it a bit, but I don't think they're all so steadfast in their romanticized view that all of them would go bananas if they learned something a little less than ideal about it. I keep seeing people acting like the Dalish are trying to learn about the past because they think it's Perfect, Flawless, and Utopian, and that learning something inconvenient or upsetting about their past would... what? Shatter their delicate worldview? Cause them to react with violence, mass riots, mass suicide; what? I personally don't think so. Yeah, it would be hard to swallow for some Dalish at first. Some would be in denial, some would reject it, some would need time to think about it, some would take it into consideration as they kept recreating their past, some might take it in stride. Some Dalish Clans might adopt this new information while others might branch off into more conservative groups.
That's my view though. I'll say it again though: It annoys me that Solas, Mythal, and Abelas know what ancient Arlathan was like, yet look down on the Dalish for not knowing, yet they don't share that information. Solas seems to have decided their reactions for them, Mythal could care less (she cares about her revenge more than her own people), and Abelas is... Abelas. As far as I'm concerned, if you have a match but choose not to strike it, you have no right to judge people who grope around blindly in the dark. Rationalize all you want "They would react badly to seeing fire," but as long as you don't show them the flame, you don't know how they would react. And if you're not going to help, you don't get to sneer at them for not being smart enough to think to strike a match when there's one in your pocket.
This is my headcanon: From what it seems we know the gods deserved to be locked away because they became monsters and tyrants... I'm fairly doubtful Solas intends to release them... He knows what they were, being locked away isn't going to improve their personalities... I don't know what it is but my feeling is that it will be something quite different.
Yeah...I've been trying to guess what he's up to since I finished the game. I can't see him releasing the gods, cause they're really really awful. I can't see him taking down the veil, since he called the world in Hushed Whispers an abomination. He's known to be heading west, along with the HoF. He also freaked his little bald head out about the potential death of the Old God dragons. Maybe he's going to that Archdemon in the Western Approach?
Yeah... I don't get the backstabby vibe from him. I'd see more like, "please don't make me do this. Please walk away from this". So he might knife you, but he'd tell you that he's going to do it and give you every opportunity to back out of it. I'm still not totally sold on the idea that he'd go so far as to kill a romanced Lavellan - no matter what the dev notes say -- but I could totally see him incapacitating her.
Great. Now I'm on the feels hellspiral. Again.
@Solas I am really glad you are back,hope you are doing well!
Also my Lavellans wouldn't kill Solas...she wants a good explanation though on why he took off. I don't think Solas is planning on ruining the world pretty much the opposite although his plans seem to backfire a lot and I have a strong feeling he's going to need our Inquisitors help when it comes to it. We haven't seen the last of him.
I know he isn't perfect and he has his flaws but he's tried to do good and has done good and I think he needs a chance at a happy ending as my Lavellan.
She misses him......Wolf Hunt DLC plz!!!!
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On topic (and likely to cause a hellspirial): Weekes was asked if Solas could be made Tranquil. Apparently he can. This does lend a lot of weight to the 'gods were just powerful mages' theory.
The idea of Solas being made tranquil is one of the more horrifying ends I can think of for him. God. Could you imagine? If that were one of several options that the player could orchestrate, I might just have to do it, as an AU experiment, which I would then quickly suppress and pretend never happened after crying a thousand tears. Oh man. OH MAN. TRAGIC.
MORRIGAN CAN I JUST COLLECT IT IN A JAR FOR YOU? I'LL EVEN HOLD YOU UPSIDE DOWN WHILE SOMEONE ELSE POURS IT IN!
I'll leave now.
Sooo, pretty sure this is the hardest I'll laugh today. BUT YEAH, surely Thedas has funnels? :S
So majestic
Isn't he just? 
Someone erect a large, flaming hoop for him to leap through.
You've probably already seen this codex before, but I like to cover my bases:
http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God
While we don't know exactly how pre-Exalted March elves saw Fen'Harel (personally, I think all the wolf statues/wolf companions make it seem that he was at least tolerated) this codex tells us that harellan didn't change from "noble rebel" to "traitor" until the Towers Age.
That timeframe is particularly significant, because it's directly after the Exalted March of the Dales, when the Dalish as we know them were undergoing their diaspora.
Who can say if the Dalish lore was deliberately doctored or just scrambled in all the chaos? But something happened to change public opinion about him.
Personally, I do think it was doctored. The Dalish would have been terrified and angry, and could have blamed the loss of their gods for the fall of the Dales. Fen'Harel must have seemed like the start of all their troubles.
Curse the like limit. I really like this theory! It's very well conceived, and I could see it certainly being the case.
Yeah...I've been trying to guess what he's up to since I finished the game. I can't see him releasing the gods, cause they're really really awful. I can't see him taking down the veil, since he called the world in Hushed Whispers an abomination. He's known to be heading west, along with the HoF. He also freaked his little bald head out about the potential death of the Old God dragons. Maybe he's going to that Archdemon in the Western Approach?
Perhaps he's hunting down the remaining magisters... I really don't think he wants to fiddle too much with the veil either... Seems to me he's happy for the worlds to be distinct...
I'm unsure of whether it has been noted here, but the Inquisition tiles have been released in the Dragon Age Keep.
There appear to be a great many choices more than I suspected, and some of them are quite interesting.
Hmm...lots of hidden stuff for me.
The idea of Solas being made tranquil is one of the more horrifying ends I can think of for him. God. Could you imagine? If that were one of several options that the player could orchestrate, I might just have to do it, as an AU experiment, which I would then quickly suppress and pretend never happened after crying a thousand tears. Oh man. OH MAN. TRAGIC.
Weekes' response was a horrified 'but... WHY?'
I'll have to see if I can find the tweet.
Hmm...lots of hidden stuff for me.
Same here. Maybe it's because I play mostly offline? I'm mostly getting responses that relate to my very first playthrough. The only exception to this is I get two of the titles for Josie's quest.
Hmm...lots of hidden stuff for me.
If you click on some of the "hidden" tiles, you'll be able to access the choices you made in game.
The tiles are still gated for spoilers at the moment, so many will be unavailable a while longer unless you play again.
For instance, I can't see Iron Bull's romance tile because I haven't romanced him, while Solas and Cullen are both present.
Though I must say, my "operations" section is still totally blotted out. 
Same here. Maybe it's because I play mostly offline?
It seems to only allow the choices I made for the particular character I locked in at the beginning.
Yeah... I don't get the backstabby vibe from him. I'd see more like, "please don't make me do this. Please walk away from this". So he might knife you, but he'd tell you that he's going to do it and give you every opportunity to back out of it. I'm still not totally sold on the idea that he'd go so far as to kill a romanced Lavellan - no matter what the dev notes say -- but I could totally see him incapacitating her.
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