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[Vorathrad]

I'm sure I'll regret posting this and I vowed to never get into internet drama again, but for the sake of the good moments I had reading this thread I will add my two cents.

 

It's very good and nice to tell people to scroll down and ignore what they don't like, and respect that other people might like it, as long as you practice it too. I supported Liz when she got the warning and said that whomever did it please send a PM next time they were bothered about content on the thread. I had discussions with people that had a completely different opinions, always on respectful terms, and that's what I loved about this thread. I didn't like when there was very convoluted theorizing and just scrolled past it. I got tired when the glitterotica thing started to stretch out pages and pages, and just scrolled past it. Just as I was glad that they created a specific thread for lore, where I thought the crazy theories would go, I was glad that a thread was created to contain all the crazy elven pantheon stuff. I expressed so in a very respectful manner, emphasizing that I still thought people who went there were amazing in spite of posting some things that weren't my cup of tea. And the responses I got where far from respectful.

 

What I mean, there is a vibe of "we are the victims of censorship and intolerance", but some people have started to have a not very constructive attitude towards people not liking their jokes and content. Respect should be a two-way lane. And if we keep on with the passive-agressive "suck it if you don't like this" messages, the ambient on the thread will keep on being rare and we'll keep on being watched.

 

I still don't agree with the lurker reporting and think it's better to PM or make a suggestion to tone down the gifs and off-topic jokes a bit if someone is getting specially bothered by it or thinks we can get undesired mod attention. But as it is, it's clear we already got that attention, deserved or not. And it's better if we don't give the mods any further motives for watching us (meaning if they feel there is a confrontational atmosphere, that will probably will keep us on their radar)

 

So I'd suggest we all chill down, let the drama pass, and keep on having amazing discussions and amazing art. I understand that people who got warnings are very uneasy, but I think it's better if we try to put that behind and move on. 

[Rhoxi]

As a note of more seriousness-

 

I think the problem is that each side is getting a lot of resentment towards the other. I don't think its fair to say that without the joke comments Solas thread is boring. But nor do I think that the thread should be forced to experience some sort of exodus. 

 

The people who think you can only enjoy Solas by pining are a small minority. This was never an angst circlejerk. Likewise, the people who make jokes about Solas are not coming here on a regular basis just to character bash. If anyone really hated Solas they would have wandered off to another board by now.

 

It would be nice if each side didn't assume the other made up the majority of us. These are a very small percentage of either side. Passive aggression goes nowhere and just exacerbates the issue.

 

I just wanted to agree with this, and say that there are wide variety of ways to be a fan of Solas and participate in this thread.

 

- Pining for Solas and eating icecream and crying bucket of tears? Welcome aboard! Here's a tissue.

- Mad at Solas and want to move on with the nearest sexy elf or find a new beau? Awesome! That's also about loving Solas. Anger isn't that far from love.

- Obsessed with lore or elven culture because Solas made you want to find out about how things used to be? Also about Solas!

- Curious to know more about the other dieties in the elven pantheon? Also Solas-related! He's one of them.

- Just want to chat and get to know more about other people on this thread to find out who else is obsessed with Solas? Also on topic!

 

This is the Solas thread: may blanket forts, glitter, unicorns, sexy elves (and more!) abound.

[drake2511]

I'm sorry...I didn't mean to make more drama, I really am.  I just don't like being accused of things that I haven't done. Usually people should expect to reap what they sow. I'm not taking this drama any further because it's stupid. 

 

See you later Solas thread. 

 

Hey, I didn't want you to leave! I'm just trying to ignore the drama 'cause it's not what I need right now, but we all have contributed to it somehow. Come baaaack!

[Sable Rhapsody]

The disposition system is annoying indeed, but it's the reason why people get two sides of Solas. It's natural though, nobody's going to be completely okay with someone disagreeing with something so important to you as spirits and their nature is to Solas. These disagreements whether we like it or not do color how we see people sometimes.

 

I like the idea of the disposition system, don't get me wrong.  I just don't like how it's implemented.  You need to tank their approval so hard to get the disapproval conversations.  I can't even manage it with Vivienne my second playthrough, and she and my Adaar get along on nothing.  Instead, all you get is silence from the companion, and IMO that does the character a disservice.

[Armdin]

Cause he's like a wolf, right? You can't have children with this man. You get a downright LITTER.

 

Okay I laughed. Poor Lavellan. Out of likes. Take a heart.

 

I almost never leave a top post image. I willfully break the chain due to laziness.

 

I am so sorry. 

 

GLaDOS voice: You monster.

 

Here, let me push you the popcorn. I think this is a good thing. This way we can talk it out like adults. Work out those nasty little feely feels and embrace the vhennnaaaaAAAAaan within each of us.

 

But I want to temper tantrum! I will not be happy until at least one cup has been flipped!

[Rabbitonfire]

the moderators are tearing us apart!!! or perhaps it has been pent up.

[Maria13]

I think our list of suspects has grown alot thinner....

 

 

 

Say it out loud if you are going to say it or recant, I happen to think insinuation is nasty.

 

And, yeah, I still love your art.

[Avejajed]

I'm offended, you're offended, everyone's really ****** offended. 

 

Everyone needs to go smoke some elfroot or something.

[Sable Rhapsody]

But I want to temper tantrum! I will not be happy until at least one cup has been flipped!

 

Behold, the glory of Alan Rickman's sublime rage:

 

[Illyria]

I like the idea of the disposition system, don't get me wrong.  I just don't like how it's implemented.  You need to tank their approval so hard to get the disapproval conversations.  I can't even manage it with Vivienne my second playthrough, and she and my Adaar get along on nothing.  Instead, all you get is silence from the companion, and IMO that does the character a disservice.

 

There doesn't seem to be enough in the game that causes approval/disaproval.  A lot of the generic converstations with the Inner Circle don't change their approval at all.  Take Viv.  It's possible to get several huge approval hits from her early in the game and have no way to make it back up.  Her 'find this' quest only gives 'slight approval' for 3 items and there's not enough wartable missions from her to push it up further.  Sera ended up in a situation with me where we weren't friends, but she didn't hate me and I had no way left to push her approval up or down.

 

What's really needed is more dialouge.  Lots more.  A chance to actually dig into a character's mind and get to know them properly.  And argue with them.  Or agree with them.  Or remain netural!

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[CapricornSun]

Well the thread is suddenly moving at a faster pace. xD

 

Felassan = Best Elf.

 

And Garahel is the hero of the Fourth Blight, a griffon rider, and so sexy that he manages to sleep with a Qunari over 100 years before they arrive in Thedas.

 

Felassan definitely is the best elf.  Still have to read Last Flight for Garahel.

 

Lol! Damn, out of likes. Here

Solas is trying so hard to make Vivienne notice him.

Spoiler

 

*snickers* What are you doing Solas? 

 

I'm sorry...I didn't mean to make more drama, I really am.  I just don't like being accused of things that I haven't done. Usually people should expect to reap what they sow. I'm not taking this drama any further because it's stupid. 

 

See you later Solas thread. 

 

Don't leave! 

 

*sobs* Drama...

[drake2511]

I'm offended, you're offended, everyone's really ****** offended. 

 

Everyone needs to go smoke some elfroot or something.

 

I sure wouldn't mind it right now.

 

it was kind of a weirdly intimate face stroking between solas and flemythal, was a little jealous but then he kills her so eh

 

was more worried about him and the spirit of wisdom. solas never really gives blackwall a straight answer about doing the do with spirits, iron bull kind of teases him about it, his post mission banter with cole says something about "in his own way he knew wisdom as no man or spirit before"

 

like did we only get to romance him after we mercy killed his ex girlfriend?

 

That would make his mission 10x times sadder and now that I think about it, it's possible. I don't think a relationship with a spirit could be anything like a relationship between two... uhm, not-fade-people, but Solas can surely handle a non-conventional romance.

 

Colorful ToP since we need it

 

[Armdin]

I'm offended, you're offended, everyone's really ****** offended. 

 

Everyone needs to go smoke some elfroot or something.

 

Oh, hey! On-topic!

Spoiler

http://www.deviantar...froot-512940960

 

Behold, the glory of Alan Rickman's sublime rage:

 

 

Ah, there's not a damn thing that can't be sorted by Alan Rickman. Thank you.

[Rabbitonfire]

I'm offended, you're offended, everyone's really ****** offended. 

 

Everyone needs to go smoke some elfroot or something.

 

Stevhen doesn't support smoking of the elfroots. His son is currently suffering to its effects. now the son doesn't do anything and is considering starting a band and not going to college.

[Roxy]

Please don't make assumptions. Roxy's always been saying out loud what she thinks. I don't think she's the report-people-type.
That said, everyone is free to express his opinion, as long as it's done in a respectful way, in my book.
 

Ok, ignoring the drama for realz this time

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you. 

 

I never reported to the mod if I did I would have said that I did.

[Sable Rhapsody]

There doesn't seem to be enough in the game that causes approval/disaproval.  A lot of the generic converstations with the Inner Circle don't change their approval at all.  Take Viv.  It's possible to get several huge approval hits from her early in the game and have no way to make it back up.  Her 'find this' quest only gives 'slight approval' for 3 items and there's not enough wartable missions from her to push it up further.  Sera ended up in a situation with me where we weren't friends, but she didn't hate me and I had no way left to push her approval up or down.

 

What's really needed is more dialouge.  Lots more.  A chance to actually dig into a character's mind and get to know them properly.  And argue with them.  Or agree with them.  Or remain netural!

 

Some characters suffer from this worse than others.  Solas, Viv, and Sera in particular come to mind.  I had problems with Bull too, where I was stuck in that weird limbo until I removed a dragon's head from its neck.

 

I think part of the problem too is that Inquisition is just such a huge game.  I don't think there's objectively less companion content than there was in, say, Origins or 2.  But it's spread out over a longer playtime.  Between that and the banter bug (which really hurts character insight), the characters can feel really quiet and distant if you've tanked their approval early.

[Armdin]

Spoiler

 

Stevhen doesn't support smoking of the elfroots. His son is currently suffering to its effects. now the son doesn't do anything and is considering starting a band and not going to college.

 

I missed Stevhen. But I'm a grown woman, Stevhen! I can smoke all the elfroots I want! I'm not responsible for your lousy-ass son!

[almasy87]

Screw Solas, Abelas, FalonDin (June tho ), all of them.

 

Captain Hook is MY husbando.

 

Yes.

[NightSymphony]

Soooo....   kabeone just posted Part 3 in her Studying the Mark comic series...

http://kabeone.devia...k-pt3-518405722

[Solas]

hey everyone i liek solas alot..??

[kalasaurus]

Oddly enough with Vivienne, she strongly disliked my Inquisitor and by the time they arrived at Skyhold she rearranged her furniture.  And then she gave her a ring at the end of her personal quest and said she considered my Inquisitor a friend... *shrugs*

[Sable Rhapsody]

That would make his mission 10x times sadder and now that I think about it, it's possible. I don't think a relationship with a spirit could be anything like a relationship between two people, but Solas sure knows how to have a non-conventional romance.

 
Oww, my poor feels

 

Although it does raise an interesting question of how one would romance a spirit.  We got to befriend one in DA:A with Justice (though his situation was unusual), then a spirit without a borrowed body with Cole in DA:I.  I can imagine that it would work better with some spirits (Compassion, the little matchmaker from Solas's story) than others (Purpose/Desire, Wisdom/Pride).

 

The problem IMO is that love in the romantic sense has so many complexities to it.  Dark qualities of jealousy and selfishness as well as joy and companionship.  It might be too much for a spirit to handle without becoming corrupted.

[Illyria]

Some characters suffer from this worse than others.  Solas, Viv, and Sera in particular come to mind.  I had problems with Bull too, where I was stuck in that weird limbo until I removed a dragon's head from its neck.

 

I think part of the problem too is that Inquisition is just such a huge game.  I don't think there's objectively less companion content than there was in, say, Origins or 2.  But it's spread out over a longer playtime.  Between that and the banter bug (which really hurts character insight), the characters can feel really quiet and distant if you've tanked their approval early.

 

Solas in particular bugs me when it comes to lack of dialouge.

 

I would love to be able to ask him about his paintings, his Dreamer abilities, the Fade (in detail!  Get some use out of the arcane knowledge perk), where our relationship is going, the really shifty stuff he says that makes it obvious he's an ancient elf...

[laurelinvanyar]

Some characters suffer from this worse than others.  Solas, Viv, and Sera in particular come to mind.  I had problems with Bull too, where I was stuck in that weird limbo until I removed a dragon's head from its neck.

 

I think part of the problem too is that Inquisition is just such a huge game.  I don't think there's objectively less companion content than there was in, say, Origins or 2.  But it's spread out over a longer playtime.  Between that and the banter bug (which really hurts character insight), the characters can feel really quiet and distant if you've tanked their approval early.

I'm one of those people who tries to creep around get max (or at least very high) approval with everybody. I'm also a completionist. 

 

So I tried spacing out the main quests so that after Coryfish bit the dust, I had nothing left to do. The problem is that I had near max approval with everybody up until What Pride Had Wrought and post-quest dialogue, where it's possible to take huge approval hits. So...I'm stuck with nothing left to gain approval with, and some of my companions are leaving instead of staying Q_Q