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[KarateKats]

Honestly being locked away some place with only Wisdom as his only companion would be good for him I think. It seems like he always has to have a purpose, some sort of cause. He's always trying to fix things, and by his sadness it's obvious that he's always failing to do so. We saw how well having a cause you couldn't set aside worked for Anders/Vengeance. I think being stashed behind an Eluvian with Wisdom would be a good chance for him to take a break.. To pause in his righteous quest to set things right and really take a good look at his inner motivations and get to the root of all his personal hang ups. He'd finally have a chance to learn, to grow and move beyond his grief and by the time he's finally released maybe he could find real lasting happiness that he wouldn't totally screw up. Maybe even with Wisdom.

[RynJ]

Honestly being locked away some place with only Wisdom as his only companion would be good for him I think. It seems like he always has to have a purpose, some sort of cause. He's always trying to fix things, and by his sadness it's obvious that he's always failing to do so. We saw how well having a cause you couldn't set aside worked for Anders/Vengeance. I think being stashed behind an Eluvian with Wisdom would be a good chance for him to take a break.. To pause in his righteous quest to set things right and really take a good look at his inner motivations and get to the root of all his personal hang ups. He'd finally have a chance to learn, to grow and move beyond his grief and by the time he's finally released maybe he could find real lasting happiness that he wouldn't totally screw up. Maybe even with Wisdom.

I think being locked away alone with spirits is the exact opposite of what Solas needs. Isn't that exactly what he's been doing up until DAI?

[MaidenM]

 

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[Lorien19]

No, actually, I'd pay to see that battle. Void-Armor vs Anchor-Hand. Just imagine the fireworks, the snarls of fury and concentration on their faces... it could be epic. Really.

So would I!Now I have the best mental image ever.

[Giton]

What a spirited discussion!

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[BoscoBread]

I respect it, but I'd rather Solas find happiness outside of the Fade without being alone for millenia (again) and with someone that isn't a dead spirit that won't remember him. Or heck, maybe with nobody. Your story doesn't ring like a happy one to me.

 

Basically I want him to grow as a character, not stagnate. He deserves better than to stagnate.

 Solas actually would disagree with you. He viewed spirits as people and the Fade as real as anything else.   So him spending a millenia and building a relationship with a Wisdom spirit - to him - would be no different then him spending 40 years building a relationship with a mortal.

[laurelinvanyar]

I'm pretty too human to understand but i'm getting the impression that this is what the elves used to did in ancient Arlathan. 

 

What are they called... tickle stabs? love stabs?

"Dagger Tickles!!!"

My bf says that every single time he backstabs/twin fangs somebody. Now he has me doing it. 

[RynJ]

Pretty sure he wasn't alone for millenia. It's very clear that while he didn't have physical friends due to his time in uthenera, he had a wide variety of spirit friends who he felt WERE people. He wasn't alone. He had company. Hell, even the banter with Blackwall and Sera about intimacy in the Fade hints that his time there was far more complex than simple isolation.

Yeah, it would suck for him to get stuck in the Black City alone. But what of the tragedy that befell those he sealed away as well? Do they not deserve justice either? Are they to blame for madness, insanity, metal illness brought upon them through blight? I think it'd be a fitting temporary punishment. A way for him to feel personally what he had done to them and in time, find a different happiness and a different future than what he had planned. It might not be sunshine and rainbows, but it's bittersweet. With hope.

 

I don't think we know enough about what went down with the Elven pantheon to make a judgment. So I'm not bringing them into it for now. And it's not as if Solas hasn't gone through his own suffering. A different suffering, but suffering nonetheless. His palpable guilt and frustration is evidence of that.

 

 

 Solas actually would disagree with you. He viewed spirits as people and the Fade as real as anything else.   So him spending a millenia and building a relationship with a Wisdom spirit - to him - would be no different then him spending 40 years building a relationship with a mortal.

 

Solas is disconnected from the world outside of the Fade and it's presented as a character flaw during DAI. I want him to be able to find purpose and happiness and worth everywhere, not just with spirits. I think Lavellan and the others in the Inquisition started to teach him that and I want that story to follow through. And, if possible, I want him to stay with my Lavellan of course. To have him only find true happiness alone in the Fade with a spirit is, to me, a regression and much more bitter than sweet from a storytelling perspective.

 

Besides, he's already spent a lot of time with a Wisdom spirit and it didn't seem to make that much of a difference.

[Rabbitonfire]

This is why i keep wishing for a Rivalmancer Solas. Spirits AREN'T PEOPLE, Solas! Get REAL FRIENDS!

*Later that evening, Solas is sitting on a bed next to the inquisitor smoking a cigarette.*

[Armdin]

Pretty sure he wasn't alone for millenia. It's very clear that while he didn't have physical friends due to his time in uthenera, he had a wide variety of spirit friends who he felt WERE people. He wasn't alone. He had company. Hell, even the banter with Blackwall and Sera about intimacy in the Fade hints that his time there was far more complex than simple isolation.

Yeah, it would suck for him to get stuck in the Black City alone. But what of the tragedy that befell those he sealed away as well? Do they not deserve justice either? Are they to blame for madness, insanity, metal illness brought upon them through blight? I think it'd be a fitting temporary punishment. A way for him to feel personally what he had done to them and in time, find a different happiness and a different future than what he had planned. It might not be sunshine and rainbows, but it's bittersweet. With hope.

 

I don't think we know enough yet to say anything regarding that.

[phosphene]

No, actually, I'd pay to see that battle. Void-Armor vs Anchor-Hand. Just imagine the fireworks, the snarls of fury and concentration on their faces... it could be epic. Really.

 

hair pulling and cat scratches, and cole's there off to the side like ✿＼(｡- _ -｡)

I think being locked away alone with spirits is the exact opposite of what Solas needs. Isn't that exactly what he's been doing up until DAI?

yeah this doesn't sound like a recipe for success

[KarateKats]

I think being locked away alone with spirits is the exact opposite of what Solas needs. Isn't that exactly what he's been doing up until DAI?

I don't think he was locked away with spirits. He was slumbering and he was wandering the fade because he'd drained himself by locking away all the gods doing something he felt that he had to do. Something that he believed to be right. Being locked away against his will with one of his closest friends would be something much different then a self imposed slumber where he could wander wherever his mind could take him.  It would be a come to jesus moment for him I believe. He'd have to stop and really think about the actions that led him to that sort of exile. Where did he go wrong? Was his cause really just? What could he have done different? Etc etc etc. I think with Wisdom there to help guide him in his thoughts maybe he would finally be able to come to peace with the idea that he can't control everything. The world will change, people will die, civilizations will crumble. It's beyond his control. So maybe he should just take a deep breath and let the world change around him while he simply learns to live for himself for once.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

What a spirited discussion!

Oh you!~

[Armdin]

In regards to Wisdom, Solas himself says that if Wisdom came back, it wouldn't be as the same spirit he knew. It'd be a different person. The Spirit of Wisdom he knew is gone. He's mourned her passing. You might as well suggest he walks the Fade with a complete stranger and think it's better for him.

[RynJ]

Exactly. It would give him the time he needs to grow emotionally. To put the hammer of self-hatred and pity down. He'd find both love, understanding, and patience from a spirit like Wisdom. She'd listen where mortals would have silenced him. She'd forgive and forget moments when he'd lash out at her out of anger or fear. She'd gently ask him questions about his reasoning, about his emotional turmoil, and with the time the two of them have, allow him to stitch himself back together one emotional tear at a time.

Not all character development can be accomplished through immediate action. Sometimes people need time to sit, simmer, and share to confront their emotional pain. Think of it like spiritual therapy. Psychologists and therapists are a valuable part of society. And honestly, that's what Solas needs. Someone to listen. To ask, but not to judge. Someone who could (through time no mortal possesses), enable him to see himself clearly.

 

He does need to do that. But I think that's best accomplished outside with the very people he probably tried to convince himself were less worthy and deserving of pity and would do better with change by his hand.

 

You want Abelas to learn to appreciate the world past his "duty" to Mythal and see that there's more, preferably with your Lavellan, yes? Or so I've gleaned.  That's what I want and hope for Solas.

 

 

Edit: This debate is fun! I'm glad we're all thinking about Solas more, and on a really deep level at that. I missed this in the thread!

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Maria13]

Ummmmmmmm, I'll just leave this here.

 

https://www.fanficti...el-and-the-Tree

 

Pretty unhappy that FF.net does not include Andruil under DA character listings, neither for game nor books, in fact books are not listed... but there you go.

[nikki-tikki]

Words from Cannon Solas. 

 

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Source. 

[Rabbitonfire]

So solas likes spirits so much, if Solas dated Anders, he's not actually doing it to date Anders, but Justice? 

 

Because I remember Solas mentioning the inquisitor's marvelous spirit a few times after grandpa ranting.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Mims]

See, I would disagree about Solas needing to be locked away with spirits. Unless new information shows itself, Solas isn't a spirit. He can't just forget his problems. He can't just forgive. He's basically "human". 

 

It seems to me that the majority of Solas's problems come from his general detachment to those around him. He may claim not to be a god, but he still interacts with people as though he is one. He keeps a generous distance between himself and those around him. Despite the fact that he actively desires for people to actually 'see' him, as he says to Lavellan.

 

He doesn't need to be trapped away with more godlike, detached entities. He needs to embrace mortality, even if he's immortal. 

[RynJ]

Words from Cannon Solas. 

 

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Source. 

 

Canon Solas is also terrified of dying alone. He feels he must be alone because this is just his burden to bear.

 

 

See, I would disagree about Solas needing to be locked away with spirits. Unless new information shows itself, Solas isn't a spirit. He can't just forget his problems. He can't just forgive. He's basically "human". 

 

It seems to me that the majority of Solas's problems come from his general detachment to those around him. He may claim not to be a god, but he still interacts with people as though he is one. He keeps a generous distance between himself and those around him. Despite the fact that he actively desires for people to actually 'see' him, as he says to Lavellan.

 

He doesn't need to be trapped away with more godlike, detached entities. He needs to embrace mortality, even if he's immortal. 

 

 

Exactly. He's not a spirit and he can't live like a spirit nor can he ever think or process events like one. He wants to, but he can't. He even says as much. He needs to learn to process his pain and guilt and that's best done with people who process those things the same way and can help him move on. I truly don't think a spirit can do that for him.

[Rabbitonfire]

Edit: This debate is fun! I'm glad we're all thinking about Solas more, and on a really deep level at that. I missed this in the thread!

 

But I want to talk about the lord and savior, June.