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Isn't that why Solas left you? So you can have a life? So he doesn't drag you into the dark path he must walk along? It is possible that he views it as a mercy.

 

Actually, if you decide to be angry at him in the last romance scene, and say to him totelle everything you had was just a lie so you can move on, he said that he can't. So, no, is not that the reason.

 

And by the way, as much as Solas like spirit, I can't really see him being in love with one of them.


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Yeah, it would suck for him to get stuck in the Black City alone. But what of the tragedy that befell those he sealed away as well? Do they not deserve justice either? Are they to blame for madness, insanity, metal illness brought upon them through blight? I think it'd be a fitting temporary punishment. A way for him to feel personally what he had done to them and in time, find a different happiness and a different future than what he had planned. It might not be sunshine and rainbows, but it's bittersweet. With hope.

Falon'Din to Solas:

 

To bait fish withal, if it will feed on nothing else, it will feed on my revenge. Solas hath disgraced me and hindered me half a million, laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my Pantheon, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies--and what's his reason? I am an Elvhen God? Hath a God not eyes? Hath not I possessed of hands, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same summer as, you, Solas, are? If you stab us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? Why revenge? The villainy you taught me I will execute--and it shall go hard but I will have better instruction.

 

Edit: I defy you to read this in the voice of Falon'Din and not get shivers.


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Words from Cannon Solas. 

 

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Source. 

 

He immediately follows that statement by saying 'he wouldn't wish this fate on an enemy.' He doesn't want to be alone. But he'll be alone, because his goal outweighs himself. 

 

Also he's being melodramatic. 


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Canon Solas is also terrified of dying alone. He feels he must be alone because this is just his burden to bear.

 

 
 

 

Exactly. He's not a spirit and he can't live like a spirit. He wants to, but he can't. He even says as much.

 

Solas seems brave enough to face his fears. Solas knows he has friends and that he isn't alone, yet he chooses to be.


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Exactly. It would give him the time he needs to grow emotionally. To put the hammer of self-hatred and pity down. He'd find both love, understanding, and patience from a spirit like Wisdom. She'd listen where mortals would have silenced him. She'd forgive and forget moments when he'd lash out at her out of anger or fear. She'd gently ask him questions about his reasoning, about his emotional turmoil, and with the time the two of them have, allow him to stitch himself back together one emotional tear at a time.

Not all character development can be accomplished through immediate action. Sometimes people need time to sit, simmer, and share to confront their emotional pain. Think of it like spiritual therapy. Psychologists and therapists are a valuable part of society. And honestly, that's what Solas needs. Someone to listen. To ask, but not to judge. Someone who could (through time no mortal possesses), enable him to see himself clearly.

Yup. That's exactly why the idea appeals to me as well. He's been alive for sooo long.. but it seems the majority of his life he's had some sort of cause, or something to fight for. You don't get nicknamed the god of Rebellion without joining a few movements and trying to change things for good or worse. He slumbered and he watched the world change around him.. but I can't help but think he just spent that time seeing things changes and planning ways to fix them when he was finally able to wake up. And so he hasn't really stopped to smell the roses so to speak. He needs that time for some introspection.. Time where he can't watch the world and be like " OH OH! I can fix that!!" Or "OH SHIZZLE! That's horrible! When I get out of here I'm totally going to do x, y and z to change it".

 

Basically the dude just needs some time to work through his personal issues instead of throwing his happiness away for different causes. It should be really obvious that we want him to be happy.


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I don't think he was locked away with spirits. He was slumbering and he was wandering the fade because he'd drained himself by locking away all the gods doing something he felt that he had to do. Something that he believed to be right. Being locked away against his will with one of his closest friends would be something much different then a self imposed slumber where he could wander wherever his mind could take him.  It would be a come to jesus moment for him I believe. He'd have to stop and really think about the actions that led him to that sort of exile. Where did he go wrong? Was his cause really just? What could he have done different? Etc etc etc. I think with Wisdom there to help guide him in his thoughts maybe he would finally be able to come to peace with the idea that he can't control everything. The world will change, people will die, civilizations will crumble. It's beyond his control. So maybe he should just take a deep breath and let the world change around him while he simply learns to live for himself for once.

he explicitly states in game that his time in the fade was spent with wisdom and purpose. Maybe they weren't shackled together in a 3x8 closet but she undoubtedly had been counseling him in the interim and had some input into the events that lead up to the conclave.

 

Solas' problem is that his good intentions didn't survive contact with the real world, and spending so much time in a world of abstract concepts with beings who can only relate to and understand things in their purest, simplest form is likely how he came to the conclusion that handing cory his orb was a good idea in the first place. 

 

also how can you ship someone voiced by sister petrice, like ugh.


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Eh, I don't particularly care if he with my Lavellan or not. She's ultimately a place holder for a character I think he needs to move forward. If her name was Wisdom and she were a spirit, that'd work for me too. If she was a Wicked Witch of the Wilds who, through the crushing reality of the fallout of her own personal hubris and struggle to understand where her choices have left her... I'd honestly be cool with that too.

Whatever, I embody the inquisitor. That mark on her hand? I drew a mark on my left hand with a green sharpie. The Vallaslin on her face? I drew it on my face too, then removed it 2 weeks later when Solas removed my Vallasin. 


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Isn't that true of EVERY man you break up with who finds happiness with someone else? To you and to them, that future entity is a stranger. But it's clear that stranger is who they needed, but neither of you knew it at the time.

 

Can't comment on that personally, I haven't (fortunately) had to experience that. But if the option to help Solas either comes from a complete stranger (assuming Wisdom comes back and isn't the same), or from Lavellan - if he would accept help to begin with - I feel he would rather have Lavellan at his side.

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Maybe not wants to, but feels he needs to. We all know how crushed he is when he steps away from Lavellan. I feel we need to make this distinction.


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Actually, if you decide to be angry at him in the last romance scene, and say to him totelle everything you had was just a lie so you can move on, he said that he can't. So, no, is not that the reason.

 

And by the way, as much as Solas like spirit, I can't really see him being in love with one of them.

Why not? We keep using the word spirit in this thread..but Solas himself considers them no different than humans really. They're real to him. If he could love my Lavellan I see no reason why he couldn't some day come to love a spirit as long as he was sure his love wouldn't pervert their true nature.



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I don't think we know enough about what went down with the Elven pantheon to make a judgment. So I'm not bringing them into it for now. And it's not as if Solas hasn't gone through his own suffering. A different suffering, but suffering nonetheless. His palpable guilt and frustration is evidence of that.

 

 

 

Solas is disconnected from the world outside of the Fade and it's presented as a character flaw during DAI. I want him to be able to find purpose and happiness and worth everywhere, not just with spirits. I think Lavellan and the others in the Inquisition started to teach him that and I want that story to follow through. And, if possible, I want him to stay with my Lavellan of course. To have him only find true happiness alone in the Fade with a spirit is, to me, a regression and much more bitter than sweet from a storytelling perspective.

 

Besides, he's already spent a lot of time with a Wisdom spirit and it didn't seem to make that much of a difference.

Again, he does not differentiate between the two.  To him the distinction is meaningless and that is so core to who is that to forget it it wouldn't be "progression" so much as casting aside everything that he is.  We see that spirits suffer. Look at Cole.  As a spirit he WANTED a better life for the real Cole so became him to give him that.  The Wisdom spirit clearly suffered when turned into a Pride demon and Solas suffered for her.  He disapproves of you not letting him kill the mages because to him a life for a life - it would be justice because she was REAL.  He can still learn and grow from his time with the Inquisition and find peace and happiness with a spirit as well as sort of pay penance for what he did.  Liz wasn't suggesting he just throw that time aside and ignore it.  Our experiences shape us and whether he likes or not, his time with the Inquisitor will shape him. 


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@Rynj if you keep this up you'll be eating all my likes and I'll have to start throwing hearts out again. :P


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Why not? We keep using the word spirit in this thread..but Solas himself considers them no different than humans really. They're real to him. If he could love my Lavellan I see no reason why he couldn't some day come to love a spirit as long as he was sure his love wouldn't pervert their true nature.

 

They are people to him, but they are different in fundamental ways from humans/elves/dwarves/qunari. So Solas insists himself. Solas is not a spirit (or if he ever was, he ain't anymore), so I imagine that even if he romantically loves one, it would be kind of a doomed romance.


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Words from Cannon Solas. 

 

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Source. 

 

To me it seems like he thinks he needs to be alone to do what he plans to do but it's not the same as wanting to be alone. I think that's the last thing he wants or needs.

 

He's spent a long time in the Fade as a disembodied Dreamer but that's not what he is now. 


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Words from Cannon Solas.

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

Cannon Solas wants to be alone.

Source.

That's because canon Solas is a character designed to invoke as many feels as possible.:D I predict a bittersweet ending for him to be honest.
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I'd say its more likely that a spirit wouldn't return Solas's love, even if he felt it. They would need to go through some sort of process like Cole, or already be a spirit of love. 

 

Solas specifically refers to the Wisdom spirit as an 'it'. Even if you attempt to correct him. I don't think that's by accident. He may see them as equals to [humanity], but there is still a fundamental difference between the two. Which is why he envies them so. He longs for that sort of pure existence. 

 

That doesn't mean its possible for him to obtain it. 


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he explicitly states in game that his time in the fade was spent with wisdom and purpose. Maybe they weren't shackled together in a 3x8 closet but she undoubtedly had been counseling him in the interim and had some input into the events that lead up to the conclave.

 

Solas' problem is that his good intentions didn't survive contact with the real world, and spending so much time in a world of abstract concepts with beings who can only relate to and understand things in their purest, simplest form is likely how he came to the conclusion that handing cory his orb was a good idea in the first place. 

 

also how can you ship someone voiced by sister petrice, like ugh.

Again. I'm saying there's a difference between being able to wander the fade because of the choices you willing made.. and being locked away against your will with your own thoughts and the thoughts of a spirit of Wisdom to comfort you. Maybe he would go insane, but with Wisdom there I personally think it would give him the time he needs to really look inside himself and grow.  Like you said his good intentions didn't survive contact with the real world... I think he needs to stop with his "good intention" plans and start working on his own personal growth. He needs to learn to be able to say "ok" to happiness I think. I want him to have that time to realize that it's okay to put down his War Banner and find love and I think with him running around Thedas getting up to his crazy shenanigans he's never going to have that time unless someone forces him to take it.


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Why not? We keep using the word spirit in this thread..but Solas himself considers them no different than humans really. They're real to him. If he could love my Lavellan I see no reason why he couldn't some day come to love a spirit as long as he was sure his love wouldn't pervert their true nature.

 

The simple fact that he end up loving a mortal is enought. Spirits are like persons, they suffer and are happy, but lack the complexity of the mortals. They embidied one, and only one trait.

They are simple. They have no complexity. Once you know what they are, and what they do, there is little to know about them, beside what they have seen. A mortal change constantly, and have many layers. A spirit is good as a friend, but is static. Quite boring to have a relationship with.


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I'd say its more likely that a spirit wouldn't return Solas's love, even if he felt it. They would need to go through some sort of process like Cole, or already be a spirit of love. 

 

Solas specifically refers to the Wisdom spirit as an 'it'. Even if you attempt to correct him. I don't think that's by accident. He may see them as equals to [humanity], but there is still a fundamental difference between the two. Which is why he envies them so. He longs for that sort of pure existence. 

 

That doesn't mean its possible for him to obtain it. 

 

Exactly. Or at least not love him in the way someone with a human (elf/qunari/dwarf/you get the friggin picture) mindset would need and craves. Raw and strange and ever-changing is human love.

 

Edit: Christ on a cr*acker I never shut up today. I'm sorry for clogging the thread with my posts.  :lol:

 

Edit edit: I...I can't say the word for a round edible bready thing on this forum without it censoring. I'm laughing harder than I probably should be.


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I'd say its more likely that a spirit wouldn't return Solas's love, even if he felt it. They would need to go through some sort of process like Cole, or already be a spirit of love. 

 

Solas specifically refers to the Wisdom spirit as an 'it'. Even if you attempt to correct him. I don't think that's by accident. He may see them as equals to [humanity], but there is still a fundamental difference between the two. Which is why he envies them so. He longs for that sort of pure existence. 

 

That doesn't mean its possible for him to obtain it. 

Hmm.. that could be true. Now i'm thinking of desire demons who do any kind of desire but do not feel love as an act in bed would be viewed as a business transaction.



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Why not? We keep using the word spirit in this thread..but Solas himself considers them no different than humans really. They're real to him. If he could love my Lavellan I see no reason why he couldn't some day come to love a spirit as long as he was sure his love wouldn't pervert their true nature.

 

IIRC he even calls Wisdom "vhenan", or at least he uses the word even though the subtitles translation doesn't mention "heart" at all. Whatever confused experiences he may had in the past (Blackwall banter), the Solas we know now has learned to love and cherish his spirit friends without corrupting their nature.

 

But unless he falls for a Spirit of Love (does that even exist? I know the weirdie in Redcliffe mentions one but as we know it wasn't a Spirit of Love), there's no way he could have a romantic relationship with one. If that's what you're suggesting. ^^


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The simple fact that he end up loving a mortal is enought. Spirits are like persons, they suffer and are happy, but lack the complexity of the mortals. They embidied one, and only one trait.

They are simple. They have no complexity. Once you know what they are, and what they do, there is little to know about them, beside what they have seen. A mortal change constantly, and have many layers. A spirit is good as a friend, but is static. Quite boring to have a relationship with.

 

Cole is a spirit and he is anything but simple. He is full of complexity.

 

I don't think we know enough about spirits or the fade or demons to really have any grasp on a full understanding of what spirits are capable of.

 

That said, I don't think Solas is a spirit.


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Hmm.. that could be true. Now i'm thinking of desire demons who do any kind of desire but do not feel love as an act in bed would be viewed as a business transaction.

 

In that situation, I'm guessing the Desire demon would feed off of whatever it was the person desired. So if he/she wanted fluffy love bedroom things, she'd give that to them.

 

But probably wouldn't actually feel it themselves. Demons seem to be the predatory side of spirits, where they are actively attempting to 'harvest' an emotion that strengthens them.

 

 

But unless he falls for a Spirit of Love (does that even exist? I know the weirdie in Redcliffe mentions one but as we know it wasn't a Spirit of Love), there's no way he could have a romantic relationship with one. If that's what you're suggesting. ^^

 

They do mention love spirits! They seem to spend their time playing matchmaker. I almost want to say Wynne's spirit was a love spirit? But I don't know if she just referred to it as that.