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[Rabbitonfire]

I wonder if there are loopholes.

 

What if the thing I desire most is to kill demons? 

For Game of thrones ref (?):

 

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[Rabbitonfire]

UGH. But I want a sexy library scene between Fen'Harel and Wisdom. They're discussing politics, philosophy, history - the meaning of life and ethics. And as they bond over the questions they ask, the variances of opinion, their love blossoms and finds fruition ... lying together amongst the book stacks. 

I want the sexy librarian trope.

[Dr. Doctor]

Alternately, it could be like the worst version of Scott Pilgrim ever. That's a hell of a list of Evil Exes. No booty is worth that.

Now I want an Inquisitor Lavellan vs. The World poster.

Although, it would be somewhat funny if there was mosaic of Solas getting chased by a bunch of angry elven ladies.

[KarateKats]

I wonder if there are loopholes.

 

What if the thing I desire most is to kill demons? 

Obviously, They'd transform into a sweet Jaegar and you'd get to climb inside and pilot them around the battlefield.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Armdin]

Secretly, I ship Wynne and the Spirit who saved her life SO HARD. She felt the spirit for years, watching, loving, protecting. Rather than lose her, the spirit chooses to possess her, empower her, and save her. It's only when she let's go to save another by choice that the spirit leaves. And I bet with so many tears of regret and feeling. They know they must do this thing because she asked, because they love her. If they don't do it, she'll change it something they don't love, and her asking them to do it makes them love her more. FEEEELS.

Oh, Liz, baby, don't do this to me. ;~;

[Patchwork]

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A man needs to return and teach Arya the ways of the assassin while prettying up my TV screen. 

 

UGH. But I want a sexy library scene between Fen'Harel and Wisdom. They're discussing politics, philosophy, history - the meaning of life and ethics. And as they bond over the questions they ask, the variances of opinion, their love blossoms and finds fruition ... lying together amongst the book stacks. 

 

My headcanon doesn't equal your headcanon, you have all the Fen'Harel/Wisdom sexytimes you want luv. 

[RynJ]

I just realized that we're essentially arguing whether or not a spirit and a person can have a compatible and real and fulfilling romance and I'm just like, this is what Dragon Age does. In all other media where spirits exist, this would probably be a non-argument. 

 

Liz, you have not succeeded in getting me to imagine Solas and Wisdom together. No, my brain cannot work in such simple ways. Now I'm imagining a Solas/Wisdom/Lavellan three-way relationship. I have a headache now. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

Secretly, I ship Wynne and the Spirit who saved her life SO HARD. She felt the spirit for years, watching, loving, protecting. Rather than lose her, the spirit chooses to possess her, empower her, and save her. It's only when she let's go to save another by choice that the spirit leaves. And I bet with so many tears of regret and feeling. They know they must do this thing because she asked, because they love her. If they don't do it, she'll change it something they don't love, and her asking them to do it makes them love her more. FEEEELS.

I never considered shipping spirits, now I ship spirits with people. Thanks liz. Spirits are people too.

[BoscoBread]

I never considered shipping spirits, now I ship spirits with people. Thanks liz.

It's like - no i didn't need another hellspiral.  I reject this just to save my poor heart. 

 

I'm too raw over my hobo trash prince.

[phosphene]

Again. I'm saying there's a difference between being able to wander the fade because of the choices you willing made.. and being locked away against your will with your own thoughts and the thoughts of a spirit of Wisdom to comfort you. Maybe he would go insane, but with Wisdom there I personally think it would give him the time he needs to really look inside himself and grow.  Like you said his good intentions didn't survive contact with the real world... I think he needs to stop with his "good intention" plans and start working on his own personal growth. He needs to learn to be able to say "ok" to happiness I think. I want him to have that time to realize that it's okay to put down his War Banner and find love and I think with him running around Thedas getting up to his crazy shenanigans he's never going to have that time unless someone forces him to take it.

i'm not sure i get the distinction you're trying to make between the thousand+ years solas spent freely talking to wisdom and the forced confinement you envision.

 

I'm saying he's already been talking to her for a very long time, i'm not sure making the conversation take place in a locked cell would change it, or the tragic conclusion it led to.

 

or else we are operating under the assumption that because she embodies wisdom, she would of course be giving him the correct answers he needs to achieve happiness and success? and the problem all along was that he wasn't listening?

 

as a spirit she reflects wisdom, that does not stop solas from taking her words and translating them into his own terms, or using them to reconfirm his personal biases and opinions rather than truly picking apart his own motives with anything approaching critical thought. As a spirit, wisdom would be unable to grapple with that kind of complexity, and solas is simply uninclined to because he's prideful.

 

or are we talking about them being locked up post-game? i could see him being consoled by wisdom of course but if we're defining a happy ending for him to be personal growth, moving beyond good intentions, letting go of his past issues and finding love i believe PW said he was literally on the verge of doing exactly that with lavellan in crestwood before he chickened out.

 

 remember the balcony scene. He's trying to sense, to figure out what makes her SPIRIT unique. Is it the orb? Is it possession? Is it how she was raised?

this scene always makes me laugh because the orb is his and he's like "i just don't get it, are you actually cool or is it just my coolness rubbing off on you?"

 

Despite the cringing thought of dating a creep spirit child, I would date Cole. Would you date Cole? He's supportive.

 

hmmm... Now that I think about it. I would imagine him cheating on you for the sake of easing somebody's sorrow. Sorry Cole, I only believe in us. In monogamy.

 

Stop helping that dying old man over there, bikini Cole.

 

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THIS IS THE BEST

UGH. But I want a sexy library scene between Fen'Harel and Wisdom. They're discussing politics, philosophy, history - the meaning of life and ethics. And as they bond over the questions they ask, the variances of opinion, their love blossoms and finds fruition ... lying together amongst the book stacks.

"Don't you spout your qunari filth!"

ugh no that voice, just ughh nooo.

[KarateKats]

Oh man. That's fascinating to me. The idea that perhaps spirits can feel even more deeply than mortals. And you're right, it's clear that they do change. And some of that change can be subtle - it doesn't happen over night. Like the Nightmare. When Cole talks about it, it's that he sees how he could become it in time. A slow twisting of intention. And because spirits feel things so strongly, they keep going where others might stop. Their devotion to a concept, ideal, person, or aspect of their essence goes beyond where a human might stop. Because the boundaries of mortals don't apply to them.

Secretly, I ship Wynne and the Spirit who saved her life SO HARD. She felt the spirit for years, watching, loving, protecting. Rather than lose her, the spirit chooses to possess her, empower her, and save her. It's only when she let's go to save another by choice that the spirit leaves. And I bet with so many tears of regret and feeling. They know they must do this thing because she asked, because they love her. If they don't do it, she'll change it something they don't love, and her asking them to do it makes them love her more. FEEEELS.

Yup. And speaking of Cole... I think we talked about this already but it was recently brought up how they had a 3rd option for his personal quest where you could let him kill the Templar and obviously change him for the worst. So I think it's obviously that spirits can feel strong emotions if he can be brought to murder the source of the pain he's feeling. So far Cole is unique in Inquisition, but who is to say that he's unique in the entire world of Thedas. There's a large opportunity for there to be many spirits like Cole wandering the living world of Thedas and we simply haven't met them yet.

[Avejajed]

Problem is, Cole is unique among spirits. Solas has been around for thousands of years at least, and doesn't he say he hasn't seen a case like Cole's before? Either way, Cole is the exception, not the rule.

 

Solas is a lying liar who lies.

 

But...

 

Although your point about Cole being an exception is true, the point I'm making is that the fact that it's possible at all rules out simplicity in general. They obviously have layers that even a being a thousand years old has yet to uncover.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Illyria]

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Th-thank you..!

 

You get a like and a for both your wonderful art and using part of one of my favourite new!Who episodes.
 

[Rabbitonfire]

someone, quick, find me a screen shot of wisdom. i've got WORK to do...

away from my screenshots. Best I could do it give you are these ripped things from a youtube channel.

 

http://i.imgur.com/Pn8sfLU.png

http://i.imgur.com/EUkWwg3.png

[Illyria]

Words from Cannon Solas. 

 

"I’m sorry Cole, but with your gift I fear that you may see the path that I now must walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I do not wish this on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must insist that you forget…"

 

Cannon Solas wants to be alone. 

 

Source. 

 

That... doesn't sound like its being said by a man in a good or happy place.  I'd say canon Solas needs people around him to keep him grounded.

[CapricornSun]

This. 1,000x this.

 

 

<snips>

 

That's my view, though.

 

I'm out likes.

 

 

I just realized that we're essentially arguing whether or not a spirit and a person can have a compatible and real and fulfilling romance and I'm just like, this is what Dragon Age does. In all other media where spirits exist, this would probably be a non-argument. 

 

It is an interesting debate, to be honest.

 

Oh, and don't mind me, guys. I'll just continue sitting here and watch.

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Colonelkillabee]

I doubt a spirit and a human could realistically love each other anymore than you could love the wind, or it could love you. Love doesn't even mean the same thing it would for us, I'd imagine. Romantic love anyway. I'm sure most of you realize that, surely.

 

At best, you'd end up with something that fully embodies the concept of love and is thoroughly obsessed with you to the point that it becomes everything to that spirit, which... is lol, unhealthy for a relationship unless you like being stalked 24/7 by a spirit that might switch to a spirit of envy or jealous rage if you slip once.

 

Why am I even going through this, lol. It wouldn't work. I don't obviously know for a fact, but I'd bet my bottom dollar and both testes. Better off shipping Solas with Bull.

[BoscoBread]

I AM SORRY. But I couldn't hold in my Wynne+Spirit headcanon feels ANY LONGER. And what's amazing about.. SPOILERS

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Wynne passing on the spirit who loved her to Evangeline the templar is that, yes this is an act such as spirit would love and admire her for... It allows this spirit to watch over her son, even if it can no longer watch over her. And in that way, it still serves and manifests its devotion to her.

 

THIS IS YOU

 

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[nikki-tikki]

I doubt a spirit and a human could realistically love each other anymore than you could love the wind, or it could love you. Love doesn't even mean the same thing it would for us, I'd imagine. Romantic love anyway. I'm sure most of you realize that, surely.

 

At best, you'd end up with something that fully embodies the concept of love and is thoroughly obsessed with you to the point that it becomes everything to that spirit, which... is lol, unhealthy for a relationship unless you like being stalked 24/7 by a spirit that might switch to a spirit of envy or jealous rage if you slip once.

 

Why am I even going through this, lol. It wouldn't work. I don't obviously know for a fact, but I'd bet my bottom dollar and both testes. Better off shipping Solas with Bull.

 

You do have a point. There was the one codex entry about a man who loved a spirit above any woman. And he basically turned her into a desire demon. 

 

Edit: But then Solas had sex with spirits. Confirmed by Blackwall and Sera.