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[Rabbitonfire]

I'm out of likes, I guess you have to do with being unappreciated, folks.

[Elessara]

Solas is a lying liar who lies.

 

But...

 

Although your point about Cole being an exception is true, the point I'm making is that the fact that it's possible at all rules out simplicity in general. They obviously have layers that even a being a thousand years old has yet to uncover.

 

And I would like to point out that the conversation went like this:

 

Solas:  How do you feel, Cole, now that you dealt with the Templar?

Cole:  I don't know.  He hurt me ... hurt the real Cole. I'm angry at him.

Cole:  I can't let that go.  I have to become more, let it make me real.

Solas:  You may well become fully human, after all.  I never though to see it.

Cole:  When did you see it before?

Solas:  I did not say that I had.

Cole:  No, you didn't.  It's harder to hear, sometimes.  Sorry.

Solas:  Good luck, Cole.  You have taken a difficult road.

 

That exchange implies - to me at least - that Solas had actually seen it before and was using Cole's uncertainty about hearing to cover for it.  I could be wrong of course.

[Giton]

Just in case people didn't see. 

Spirit sex sounds hot. Discuss.

[Armdin]

I'm out of likes, I guess you have to do with being unappreciated, folks.

 

Or be a unicorn and throw hearts... Or glitter.

[Illyria]

You do have a point. There was the one codex entry about a man who loved a spirit above any woman. And he basically turned her into a desire demon. 

 

Edit: But then Solas had sex with spirits. Confirmed by Blackwall and Sera.

 

That's what Blackwall takes away from the converstation.  It's never confirmed.

[drake2511]

I actually believe Solas and Wisdom could have been in some kind of relationship (years ago, since he says it's been a long time since someone actually showed him affection), and that makes his personal mission just sadder. I'll copy-paste what I wrote some days ago about spirits/people relationship, bad grammar included, because I'm lazy lol:

 

Maybe it depends on what we believe is a romantic relationship. Maybe spirits have their own take on this, maybe they have deep and meaningful relationship related to the ideal they embody. So, a spirit of wisdom would probably discuss about history, past, time and phylosophy, while a desire demon would trap someone in an illusion to give them what they desire (sorta like the desire demon you find in the circle tower in origins).

 

You do have a point. There was the one codex entry about a man who loved a spirit above any woman. And he basically turned her into a desire demon. 

 

Edit: But then Solas had sex with spirits. Confirmed by Blackwall and Sera.

 

He says it's not that simple. I believe sexy times between a spirit and a real person would be nothing like the sexy times we know and love.

[Armdin]

And I would like to point out that the conversation went like this:

 

Solas:  How do you feel, Cole, now that you dealt with the Templar?

Cole:  I don't know.  He hurt me ... hurt the real Cole. I'm angry at him.

Cole:  I can't let that go.  I have to become more, let it make me real.

Solas:  You may well become fully human, after all.  I never though to see it.

Cole:  When did you see it before?

Solas:  I did not say that I had.

Cole:  No, you didn't.  It's harder to hear, sometimes.  Sorry.

Solas:  Good luck, Cole.  You have taken a difficult road.

 

That exchange implies - to me at least - that Solas had actually seen it before and was using Cole's uncertainty about hearing to cover for it.  I could be wrong of course.

 

I thought about this, like maybe Solas says "I never thought to see it" outloud, but adds "again" in his head at the end, and Cole picked it up, but his becoming more human is mixing them up.

[Illyria]

Don't you dare!

 

No one touches my baby Cole.

 

You make a choice to kill a demon.

 

Don't blame the Choice Spirit for how things turn out!
 

[Rabbitonfire]

That's what Blackwall takes away from the converstation.  It's never confirmed.

BUT I SHIP IT! SOLAS X WISDOM!

 

Doesn't have to be a present relationship, but an ex-itfriend!

[Illyria]

BUT I SHIP IT! SOLAS X WISDOM!

 

Doesn't have to be a present relationship, but an ex-itfriend!

 

You get a like for use of 'itfriend'

[phosphene]

You do have a point. There was the one codex entry about a man who loved a spirit above any woman. And he basically turned her into a desire demon. 

 

Edit: But then Solas had sex with spirits. Confirmed by Blackwall and Sera.

• Iron Bull: Hey, Solas, you ever do your Fade thing and pretend you can fly?
• Iron Bull: Just flap your arms and zip around in there? Then maybe bang some hot Fade ladies?
• Solas: No. Such behavior attracts the attention of demons.
• Iron Bull: Aww. Demons **** up everything.

[Giton]

"If Spirits embrace,

Total they mix, Union of Pure with Pure

Desiring." PL.V.627-28

 

See. Hot.

 

"Total they mix . . . "  Settle down, Milton.

[KarateKats]

 

• Iron Bull: Hey, Solas, you ever do your Fade thing and pretend you can fly?
• Iron Bull: Just flap your arms and zip around in there? Then maybe bang some hot Fade ladies?
• Solas: No. Such behavior attracts the attention of demons.
• Iron Bull: Aww. Demons **** up everything.

 

I think the conversation she's talking about is:

• Blackwall: Sera and I were just talking about you. We need you to settle a question for us.
• Solas: (Sighs.) Sera's involved? So this question will be offensive.
• Blackwall: Yes, probably. Sorry.
• Blackwall: You make friends with spirits in the Fade. So... um, are there any that are more than just friends? If you know what I mean.
• Solas: Oh, for... really?!
• Blackwall: Look, it's a natural thing to be curious about!
• Solas: For a twelve year old!
• Blackwall: It's a simple yes or no question!
• Solas: Nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple, especially not that.
• Blackwall: Aha! So you do have experience in these matters!
• Solas: I did not say that.
• Blackwall: Don't panic. It'll be our little secret.
• Solas: Ass.
• Blackwall: Now who's twelve?

 

Which seems to imply that yeah you can bang some spirits, but it won't be easy.

[Mims]

That exchange implies - to me at least - that Solas had actually seen it before and was using Cole's uncertainty about hearing to cover for it.  I could be wrong of course.

 

I think that once spirits 'cross over' they do change a fair bit. They are no longer just spirits. Even the demons we see that take 'human' form [Imshael], appear different from their usual kin. So Solas probably has seen it before. But I doubt doubt that there can be some problems when spirits change what it is that they are.

 

Random tangent, but someone speculated once that the origin of Elgar'nan [or even Fen'Harel], might have come from SpiritMortal+Elf=super baby.  

[Colonelkillabee]

Uhm...Solas can be a red head... Bull have a weakness for red heads...uhmmm...

Say what now? Lol, this isn't about his freckles, is it? Oh Solas thread. Lol.

[Maria13]

Top paragraph we see in Origins, with that Desire Demon who makes the Templar believe he's married with kids.

 

Ah yes, I forgot about Solas' Matchmaker spirit. xD Sadly Wynne's isn't, or at least she suspected it was a Spirit of Faith specifically.

 

But what is faith? Is it not trust based on love???

[Colonelkillabee]

I have no idea what this means.  And I'm ok with that.  I still like you Colonel.

 

lol

Be glad you don't, that show sucked. Lol.

[Rabbitonfire]

I think the conversation she's talking about is:

• Spoiler

  • Blackwall: Sera and I were just talking about you. We need you to settle a question for us.
  • Solas: (Sighs.) Sera's involved? So this question will be offensive.
  • Blackwall: Yes, probably. Sorry.
  • Blackwall: You make friends with spirits in the Fade. So... um, are there any that are more than just friends? If you know what I mean.
  • Solas: Oh, for... really?!
  • Blackwall: Look, it's a natural thing to be curious about!
  • Solas: For a twelve year old!
  • Blackwall: It's a simple yes or no question!
  • Solas: Nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple, especially not that.
  • Blackwall: Aha! So you do have experience in these matters!
  • Solas: I did not say that.
  • Blackwall: Don't panic. It'll be our little secret.
  • Solas: Ass.
  • Blackwall: Now who's twelve?

 

Which seems to imply that yeah you can bang some spirits, but it won't be easy.

Probably mortal's definition of woohoos is limited and boring. YAWN! 

[Colonelkillabee]

Of all the weird things I posted, you didn't think I crave reactionary responses? I welcome any critique.

What can I say, I give people too much credit sometimes

[Felya87]

Say what now? Lol, this isn't about his freckles, is it? Oh Solas thread. Lol.

 

More about his reddish eyebrows, actually.

[Armdin]

But what is faith? Is it not trust based on love???

 

Not sure if you're being serious... That's more question marks than I'm used to dealing with.

 

More about his reddish eyebrws, actually.

 

Still not sure where this has come from. His eyebrows are brown to me. D:

[Colonelkillabee]

More about his reddish eyebrows, actually.

? I hadn't noticed tbh, lol. Guess I should have looked longer at those flycam closeups.

[Avejajed]

Everyone lies. Everyone who says differently is lying.

In the game though, we see that Solas merely omits his true age and identity, and what he knows about how Corypheus got the orb. Both for a specific reason; letting you know who he is and how he helped create the current crisis would prevent him from being able to help you fix the mess and be free to move on after the current crisis is averted.

He makes it clear though that he loves spirits, and wants mortals to understand spirits, so I doubt he'd lie about that. Just because he lied about one thing doesn't mean he lies about everything.


And yet it took thousands of years for an immortal being who spends the vast majority of his time wandering the Fadeand interact with spirits to encounter one example in one spirit. That doesn't mean there are a whole bunch of them floating around, or that all, most, or even many have the capacity that Cole has. Or that there are enough floating around that Solas could find a soulmate (get it?) in the form of a spirit.

Even with his complexity, Cole is not exempt from the "complexity can corrupt spirits into demons" rule, since it's implied that the complexity he developed when he first left the Fade turned him into a demon, and he could still become a demon today. (That's why, during his personal quest, no one will let him kill the Templar out of revenge, since it's implied it could have turned him into a full-blown demon had they allowed it.)

You have just proved my point, which is that spirits are not simple. I never stated my opinion on love and romance with spirits and mortals. My point, and my only point, was that spirits are complex and that we don't know everything.

Also, we don't know what all Solas has lied about and you can't prove to me he hasn't lied about more than you think, so there we will have to agree to disagree.

[KarateKats]

Probably mortal's definition of woohoos is limited and boring. YAWN! 

Yeah. Sex with a spirit is probably really kinky or alien. Like you rub your auras together as you mind-bang.

[dragondreamer]

I remember Weekes getting a question about the spirit sex thing...

 

https://twitter.com/...951057816829952

 

It's another thing that appears to have been left to player interpretation.