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[Siha]

And while Marston is a family man, Geralt's more of the Commander Shepard/Garrus Vakarian line of thinking when it comes to family. Or, perhaps Buffy Summers. 

See, the way I always played and saw it was that Triss and Geralt were very close friends that kept flirting with the idea of being lovers. Geralt is admittedly a horn-dog.

But the hanse is Geralt's family. He's ...

I honestly think the two of them would have a shared drink with each other and Harry Dresden to getting caught up in ridiculous events and being blamed for everything. 

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Also, if you had pursued more of the Triss path in the first game particularly, Geralt and Triss share a very wistful moment about wanting to settle down on a farm, with Geralt suggesting he takes care of horses since he has no idea how to farm, if I recall correctly. 

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I am curious what Solas would make of them both.

 

That is why I mentioned that I can only take The Witcher 2 as a basis. I did not read the books and I did not play part 1. So all his family background is lost on me. I only compared to his relationship with Triss and that is, well, at least no love or family.

Buffy Summers... was that Buffy Vampire Slayer? In that case, I don' know her take on family. I... must have missed that somehow. And I never read the Dresden Files.

But you were the one who wanted to see how these three men got along together, if you agree with me that "not well" would be the correct answer, we are good again.

 

Marsten could be played jerk? I never knew. I never saw RDR as an RPG. I thought the story were pretty much laid out for me. Did I make a mistake?

And I don't see Geralt settle down with Triss. I think sometimes you engage in such debate and hypothetical planning but that does not mean you really think it would work out in the real world. They seem so incompatible to me. In part 2 there seems no emotional bond, only that she happens to be a female and he can do that. Anyway, I don't know.

 

Solas? He would hate both of them.

I think Solas would dislike Geralt for his none-of-my-business attitude. Solas thinks you must have a strong opinion on everything and make decisions. Not always act, according to himself, but you will only gain approval if you actually decide something (only one example: he approves if you help Celene and not stand by and let her die, though he does not even think she is the best person for the job). He usually feels strongly about what is going on. The Wardens or Templars are not directly linked to his "overall problem", he could go with both and just use whatever fraction the inquisitor picks. But he does not. He has a clear opinion and reacts poorly in case of contravention.

But Geralt is basically "I couldn't care less". I forced him to tell the Scoiatel that he believed in their cause (which I could not tell the bard though I would have loved to) and that one line was the strongest statement they would let me make. Other than that he stays out of everything, has no opinion on right or wrong, and Solas would not like that much, I assume.

 

And I think Solas would dislike Marsten for making decisions based on his individual emotions. Marsten fights for his family (in the first place), and justice (in the second). Solas fights for the "greater good", disregarding personal emotions and sacrificing friends and family. He did so when locking the gods away, he does so when leaving Lavellan, maybe he actually "kills" Flemeth (but I do not believe that) and in that case he does so there again. I don't think he could put up with Marsten's motivations in the first place. I think he would consider Marsten foolish and blinded. I don't see Solas respect the "limited" world outlook that only cares about bringing peace to the family.

[Caddius]

 

There's not much in the way of main storyline stuff in RDR for making your own choices, but there's plenty of gameplay set up for Marston to play the outlaw and thug, and the karma system, and a few characters comment on it. I don't know much about it, because I wouldn't be able to stand the hypocrisy of Marston complaining about his treatment by the Bureau.

I forgot about Solas's 'greater good' values. Yeah, Solas would not like Marston or Geralt, and the two of them would probably think he was a pompous ass. Geralt repeatedly demonstrates that he doesn't hold any faith with big causes. To be fair, he lives in the world of the Witcher, where that largely holds true. Marston seems to think the big ideals are all nice and what-not, but that they result in ugliness on the ground. Regardless, he's focused on living with his wife and son. Geralt cares for his friends and for his job, and does good deeds when he can. Him joining Saskia's cause and offering pessimistic predictions of it are about as idealistic as he goes. He usually isn't in favor of one group or another because they both treat him as a cheap monster-slayer and freak of nature, and they both have their nasty sides that he's all too aware of.

If you've only played 2, I guess you haven't gotten that many scenes with Triss, considering how much screentime she gets.

The Buffy the Vampire Slayer show is often held up as a good example of how an extended group of good friends functions as a family unit. Sort of like Dragon Age 2. They're all weird personalities that often have friction, but they stick together. Geralt and the hanse are a grittier, harder-drinking version of that.

I can see Marston and Geralt having a snarky sort of regard for one another. But yeah. Solas and them would not get along.

And the Dresden Files are a fantastic urban fantasy novels. They start off good and then start sky-rocketing a few books in. I highly recommend them/have forced them upon people.

[drake2511]

@drake Is there a way I can download this picture? Apparently my art program's eyedrop tool only works within the program.

 

Sent you a link! Let me know if it works

[Siha]

<snip> and Dresden Files

 

I am pleased to see we are of one opinion again. I like to be of one opinion.

 

But that's... a lot of books... Any one in particular?

[CapricornSun]

I'll just leave these here.

 

Poor Solas realizing he's in love...

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http://jbr-art.tumbl...ve-been-a-rough

 

Fen'Harel

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http://osatokun.tumb...ago-or-so-but-i

 

And finally, a cute slightly NSFW artwork of Solas and Lavellan having a bath together.

[Caddius]

I am pleased to see we are of one opinion again. I like to be of one opinion.

 

But that's... a lot of books... Any one in particular?

We have a consensus.

Too many Dresden Files or too many Witcher novels?

I'm afraid Dresden Files works a lot better when you read them sequentially. Um...maybe you can get some at a library? Maybe?

The first two books establish the main characters and magic system. Book three kicks off the overarching plots. And book five kicks off some more. If you absolutely, positively, have to stretch the bar as far as possible when it comes to skipping things, I'd dare as far as...one. 

But I'm a stickler for doing things in order. 

[Maria13]

That is why I mentioned that I can only take The Witcher 2 as a basis. I did not read the books and I did not play part 1. So all his family background is lost on me. I only compared to his relationship with Triss and that is, well, at least no love or family.

Buffy Summers... was that Buffy Vampire Slayer? In that case, I don' know her take on family. I... must have missed that somehow. And I never read the Dresden Files.

But you were the one who wanted to see how these three men got along together, if you agree with me that "not well" would be the correct answer, we are good again.

 

Marsten could be played jerk? I never knew. I never saw RDR as an RPG. I thought the story were pretty much laid out for me. Did I make a mistake?

And I don't see Geralt settle down with Triss. I think sometimes you engage in such debate and hypothetical planning but that does not mean you really think it would work out in the real world. They seem so incompatible to me. In part 2 there seems no emotional bond, only that she happens to be a female and he can do that. Anyway, I don't know.

 

Solas? He would hate both of them.

I think Solas would dislike Geralt for his none-of-my-business attitude. Solas thinks you must have a strong opinion on everything and make decisions. Not always act, according to himself, but you will only gain approval if you actually decide something (only one example: he approves if you help Celene and not stand by and let her die, though he does not even think she is the best person for the job). He usually feels strongly about what is going on. The Wardens or Templars are not directly linked to his "overall problem", he could go with both and just use whatever fraction the inquisitor picks. But he does not. He has a clear opinion and reacts poorly in case of contravention.

But Geralt is basically "I couldn't care less". I forced him to tell the Scoiatel that he believed in their cause (which I could not tell the bard though I would have loved to) and that one line was the strongest statement they would let me make. Other than that he stays out of everything, has no opinion on right or wrong, and Solas would not like that much, I assume.

 

And I think Solas would dislike Marsten for making decisions based on his individual emotions. Marsten fights for his family (in the first place), and justice (in the second). Solas fights for the "greater good", disregarding personal emotions and sacrificing friends and family. He did so when locking the gods away, he does so when leaving Lavellan, maybe he actually "kills" Flemeth (but I do not believe that) and in that case he does so there again. I don't think he could put up with Marsten's motivations in the first place. I think he would consider Marsten foolish and blinded. I don't see Solas respect the "limited" world outlook that only cares about bringing peace to the family.

 

I think Solas would begin by hating them or not getting along with them and then once he begins to understand their motivations better, and know them personally, he would get along with them.  By the end of DA:I Solas gets along quite nicely with most of the other characters even with those with whom he has an initial conflict of ideology, such as Cassandra or Iron Bull, I I don't believe we appreciate generally quite how flexible Solas is.

 

We really don't know what went down Arlathan,and it is by no means clear that when he locked up the other gods, if he did lock them up, that could actually be wrong, that there was any sacrifice of "family" involved. He might well have regarded Mythal as his family and the rest of them to be her murderers, in which case he would be acting out of old-fashioned personal revenge, at least in part.

 

I  the Dresden files books and Buffy. Perhaps of all of them Solas would have got on best with Buffy (actually Solas is pretty similar to Giles, her mentor. "Buffy: There is a handbook, a slayer handbook? Giles: It wouldn't have worked for you…"), who despite her intense feelings for her family and friends always attempted to do the right thing for the general good, though Dresden too would have earned his respect.

Modifié par Maria13, 11 mars 2015 - 10:08 .

[Siha]

We have a consensus.

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maybe you can get some at a library?

 

I am please to see you fall in line at last.

And I don't read... I will get the audiobooks.

 

He might well have regarded Mythal as his family and the rest of them to be her murderers, in which case he would be acting out of old-fashioned personal revenge, at least in part.

 

Yes, you might be right about what you say. But I wonder, to the sentence I quoted, why is Solas so discontent with having locked them away? Why does he want them back so bad? Why is he so sad (as I assume listening to the banters with Cole)? Does not sound to me like he locked then away out of dislike or anything. If he felt so negatively about them why would he not just leave them where they are?

[Caddius]

I am please to see you fall in line at last.

And I don't read... I will get the audiobooks.

 

 

Yes, you might be right about what you say. But I wonder, to the sentence I quoted, why is Solas so discontent with having locked them away? Why does he want them back so bad? Why is he so sad (as I assume listening to the banters with Cole)? Does not sound to me like he locked then away out of dislike or anything. If he felt so negatively about them why would he not just leave them where they are?

Random trivia: James Marsters does the Dresden Files audiobooks.

James Marsters is famous for playing the lovable scoundrel Spike on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

EDIT: Since a boss fight was being mean in Dark Souls and we were discussing this, I decided to play a bit of The Witcher 2 before bed. 

I'd forgotten how sneaky Geralt is about making moral stands. Whenever he says something like, "Oh, I can't do that. It's against the Witcher's Code. Sorry, union rules, can't be helped." he's lying through his teeth. There isn't a Witcher's code, he just made it up as his set of personal rules that non-Witchers would think was part of a Witcher's contract. 

[Maria13]

I am please to see you fall in line at last.

And I don't read... I will get the audiobooks.

 

 

Yes, you might be right about what you say. But I wonder, to the sentence I quoted, why is Solas so discontent with having locked them away? Why does he want them back so bad? Why is he so sad (as I assume listening to the banters with Cole)? Does not sound to me like he locked then away out of dislike or anything. If he felt so negatively about them why would he not just leave them where they are?

 

Well he may be stressing about the immediate consequences of the act... The fall of the elves rather than the act itself. I'm not at all sure he wants them back...

 

And you know, a sense of guilt is a pretty poor basis on which to assess culpability... Very moral people will feel bad about things they could never have prevented while murdering psychopaths will make pity plays.

[Siha]

"Oh, I can't do that. It's against the Witcher's Code. Sorry, union rules, can't be helped."

 

On par with "I saw it in the Fade". Maybe they would get along after all. Lying liars who lie; to quote Avejajed.

[Maria13]

The more I think about it, the more Solas = Giles from Buffy.

 

Both are slightly older single men, both are reputed to have been quite different and reckless when they were younger, both are scholarly and clearly intelligent, both are exceedingly critical of things as they are today and have great capacity for irony, both are ladies men, both are mages and initially though you would think that they couldn't handle themselves in a fight, both do quite well when challenged.

[Maria13]

Random trivia: James Marsters does the Dresden Files audiobooks.

James Marsters is famous for playing the lovable scoundrel Spike on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

EDIT: Since a boss fight was being mean in Dark Souls and we were discussing this, I decided to play a bit of The Witcher 2 before bed. 

I'd forgotten how sneaky Geralt is about making moral stands. Whenever he says something like, "Oh, I can't do that. It's against the Witcher's Code. Sorry, union rules, can't be helped." he's lying through his teeth. There isn't a Witcher's code, he just made it up as his set of personal rules that non-Witchers would think was part of a Witcher's contract. 

 

... and to take this further James Masters also appeared in Torchwood, like Solas' voice actor and they were both male lovers of Captain Jack...

[Mims]

Sooo what is special with quizzi's blood ? Kieran says to an elf Quizzy that her blood is very old, to a Qunari Quizzy he adds that "it doesn't belong to your people". 

 

 

lavellan seems to be a lot more than she knows about

 

In my headcanon Lavellan's body /blood got mixed with Andraste's ashes (or Shartan's) during the breach explosion. 

 

Its possible all Inquisitors have some elf blood in them. Human is fairly common, Qunari are theorized to be elf+dragonblood. Dwarf is the only outlier, but even then it probably wouldn't be that difficult to hide some elf blood in there somewhere. 

 

'I noticed your blood, it doesn't belong to your people' is most likely a reference to the dragonblood though, which was artificially introduced to them. Either via magic or some sort of sexy dragon. 

[Addai]

I do see your point but your comparison is only based on facts and otherwise ignores any emotional characterization. Marsten is a family man and everything he does is for love. Geralt is no such thing. I never played part 1 and I know many people consider Geralt/Triss romance. But the way I experienced it there was no feeling whatsoever. Triss was a nice body but no emotional involvement. She also did not show much affection for Geralt, it was basically only sex. My Geralt did not do a thing for her, and if it hadn't gone so strictly against my bang-anyone principle I would have ignored her in the bath. I did not push the romance moments and the game did not give me any of it's own. I know, this is subjective, but my Geralt showed no affection to anybody, neither friends nor women. While Marsten only existed for his people, he would have never gone anywhere in the first place if it weren't for them. Those two men have completely different motivations to begin with.
 
Needless to say Solas wold hate them both. And Marsten would reject Solas for his emotional detachment, while Geralt would reject him for getting involved with everything in the first place. Geralt and Marsten might get along but purely on a basis of toleration, no mutual sympathy.

Geralt is devoted to his friends, and he stands up for the little people, which is what caused his death in Rivia. In the games he can be played as a partisan, but his neutrality is against the agendas of rulers and power players, which is something I think Solas would respect. Geralt is not a revolutionary but that's because he mistrusts causes, which usually end up being power plays in the end. That healthy skepticism of his own motives and power, and a willingness to sacrifice himself for people who despise him, are also things that the characters share.

Triss and Geralt have a history and she's been in love with him for a long time. He doesn't have all his memories back, and the game leaves it up to you if you want to play them romantically, but there is definitely a bond apart from the physical. One of the first things he says to her in Witcher 1, despite his amnesia, is "I sense you were important to me." They follow each other throughout the games, likewise Dandelion and Zoltan. She has her own agendas and such, of course, but that makes their relationship more interesting IMO.

[Siha]

Triss and Geralt have a history and she's been in love with him for a long time. 

 

I read about that. But she doesn't do a good job showing that in Witcher 2. I never felt loved.

But as I said, I only played part 2 and I am not a role player, I perceive as I would (or, rather, do). So I do understand that people who actually role play will get something different out of it.

[Addai]

I read about that. But she doesn't do a good job showing that in Witcher 2. I never felt loved.
But as I said, I only played part 2 and I am not a role player, I perceive as I would (or, rather, do). So I do understand that people who actually role play will get something different out of it.

She shows it if you choose to give her the Rose of Remembrance, or if Geralt saves her from the Nilfgaardians in act 3. No matter what you choose, she also says she'll follow him to the ends of the earth to help him find Yennefer- which is not typical behavior for sorceresses.

I mean, Solas is a coldhearted bastard if you get on his bad side, but that's not really who the character is.

[Maria13]

She shows it if you choose to give her the Rose of Remembrance, or if Geralt saves her from the Nilfgaardians in act 3. No matter what you choose, she also says she'll follow him to the ends of the earth to help him find Yennefer- which is not typical behavior for sorceresses.

I mean, Solas is a coldhearted bastard if you get on his bad side, but that's not really who the character is.

 

Solas and Geralt both, right? Yes, there are many similarities... they also both share a very practical approach to things.

[Siha]

She shows it if you choose to give her the Rose of Remembrance, or if Geralt saves her from the Nilfgaardians in act 3. No matter what you choose, she also says she'll follow him to the ends of the earth to help him find Yennefer- which is not typical behavior for sorceresses.

 

I gave her the rose once. It felt... odd. To me she was like "Yea, thanks man". Maybe I am just too emotional or something, but I was put off.

And if I don't give it to her she isn't even sad. Just "Man, it's only a story, it don't mean a thing". If she's in love with me, should she at least be a bit sad? I played both paths and I never felt she cared about me more than an acquaintance.

On topic: Solas would have shown more emotion and made me feel like it mattered at all. Triss did not seem to really care.

 

I never saved her, though, I must confess. But it's the end of the game already anyway. If she couldn't reach my heart all the time I doubt she can now. Why I didn't save her is just because she can take care of herself. But Saskia (or the girl) cannot and I can't let Saskia down. I just... can't. I must go get the dagger, Triss will be fine. I know I should save her for the mages and stuff but... I couldn't. I always tell myself I will one day. Somebody said to me there might be a chance to save Saskia in part 3 so I should do it but that's no point for me. I (=Geralt) cannot know if I will see her again. I would let her go, mind controlled by that witch. And I.... really can't allow that, knowing that Triss will be alright anyway.

On topic: I assume Solas would... I don't know what Solas would do, tbh. I think he would also save Saskia considering who she is and what she might mean. But I am not sure.

 

I don't know about typical behavior for sorceresses, I really have no previous knowledge about the Witcher or it's world.

[Solas]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

[Maria13]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

 

Iron Bull, I really like both characters, and the mental chess match is epic.

[Delphine]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

 

Solas+Cole first and foremost.

I like the funny moments that a Solas+Sera banters can have, but I also love and appreciate the mutual respect that comes from Solas+Cassandra and Solas+Varric banters.

[Caddius]

... and to take this further James Masters also appeared in Torchwood, like Solas' voice actor and they were both male lovers of Captain Jack...

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I can't blame you too much for not being onboard Geralt/Triss, Siha. They had a lot more emphasis on Triss and her relationship with Geralt in the first one, and just plain handled Triss better there. They were probably relying on players having bonded with her in 1, and wanted to give Dandelion more screen time. (Totally worth it. ) At least, in my opinion. She was the heavy-hitting, politically savvy badass girlfriend that kept my head above the water in those first tumultuous days in Vizima when I had no idea what the hell I was doing.  Along with dear, sweet Raymond.  She's still cool in 2, but...*shrug*

We need a Giles/Solas crossover, where they're both snarky gentlemanly nerds in the background that start tag-team beating Falon'din in the face with a flaming baseball bat when he messes with Mythal. 

As for Solas/companion banters, the Cole ones are fascinating, the chess match and Qun banters with Bull are intense, and Cassandra and him just have such thoughtful, respectful banter it warms my heart. Also Dorian's attempt at a bromance.

EDIT: Oh, and Varric's! The trickster and fermented fruit juice ones in particular!

...Also Vivienne/Blackwall/Sera. *cough*

All of the banters is my cheapskate answer.

[Colonelkillabee]

I gave her the rose once. It felt... odd. To me she was like "Yea, thanks man". Maybe I am just too emotional or something, but I was put off.

And if I don't give it to her she isn't even sad. Just "Man, it's only a story, it don't mean a thing". If she's in love with me, should she at least be a bit sad? I played both paths and I never felt she cared about me more than an acquaintance.

On topic: Solas would have shown more emotion and made me feel like it mattered at all. Triss did not seem to really care.

 

I never saved her, though, I must confess. But it's the end of the game already anyway. If she couldn't reach my heart all the time I doubt she can now. Why I didn't save her is just because she can take care of herself. But Saskia (or the girl) cannot and I can't let Saskia down. I just... can't. I must go get the dagger, Triss will be fine. I know I should save her for the mages and stuff but... I couldn't. I always tell myself I will one day. Somebody said to me there might be a chance to save Saskia in part 3 so I should do it but that's no point for me. I (=Geralt) cannot know if I will see her again. I would let her go, mind controlled by that witch. And I.... really can't allow that, knowing that Triss will be alright anyway.

On topic: I assume Solas would... I don't know what Solas would do, tbh. I think he would also save Saskia considering who she is and what she might mean. But I am not sure.

 

I don't know about typical behavior for sorceresses, I really have no previous knowledge about the Witcher or it's world.

I took that at as her one, being rather surprised that Geralt did such a thing because it's Geralt, lol. She seemed happy about it to me, touched. Especially after, lolol.

 

And two if not given the rose, it'd be expected. This is Geralt after all, lol. Committing usually isn't his thing. Then there's Yennifer to think about in both options for her personally.

 

If you save her, you can see their connection a lot more. I give her the rose then stick to Iorveth's path, and it always felt like he cared for her to me when played correctly.

 

That's also how I'll keep playing it. These aren't the books so I don't care who canon Geralt would love, he's a changed man for me since his rebirth, one that can commit a cause and a woman he developed feelings for. I think his "Killing monsters" trailer matches up with this idea rather well, him killing humans who are doing wrong, and "canonically" too.

[Siha]

On topic: I really like the banter between Dorian and Solas. First, because I learn something about Tevinter and blood magic, but second also because Dorian feels so realistic. Like when he speaks without thinking about it first, e.g., when he invites Solas to Tevinter to meet the spirit servants. I am a bit sad they did not elaborate on that further because it really seems like an interesting aspect of Tevinter life to me. And I was surprised Solas only reacted mildly sarcastic. Knowing him he should have gone all mad at this.
 

I took that at as her one, being rather surprised that Geralt did such a thing because it's Geralt, lol. She seemed happy about it to me, touched. Especially after, lolol.
 
And two if not given the rose, it'd be expected. This is Geralt after all, lol. Committing usually isn't his thing. Then there's Yennifer to think about in both options for her personally.

 
I guess I just have a different idea of romance then. I think if both is fine to her and him, then they should rather part ways. The way I saw it in Witcher 2 it can never be any more than mediocre. Surely they can find something better than somebody who cares somehow, maybe, or not because it's him anyway. I think he should find Yennifer because he seems to care about her and Triss should get more involved with shaping the mages' future and find her own way.