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[Caddius]

I took that at as her one, being rather surprised that Geralt did such a thing because it's Geralt, lol. She seemed happy about it to me, touched. Especially after, lolol.

 

And two if not given the rose, it'd be expected. This is Geralt after all, lol. Committing usually isn't his thing. Then there's Yennifer to think about in both options for her personally.

 

If you save her, you can see their connection a lot more. I give her the rose then stick to Iorveth's path, and it always felt like he cared for her to me when played correctly.

 

That's also how I'll keep playing it. These aren't the books so I don't care who canon Geralt would love, he's a changed man for me since his rebirth, one that can commit a cause and a woman he developed feelings for. I think his "Killing monsters" trailer matches up with this idea rather well, him killing humans who are doing wrong, and "canonically" too.

Ugh. If I thought choosing between accidental romance initiated companions in DA was bad, Yennefer/Triss shipping wars are gonna get ugly come May. 

I'm undecided until I run into Yennefer. Then both Geralt and I will probably end up going, "Mmm-hmm," and frowning a lot in consternation before Dandelion helpfully springs a distraction.

For the dark fantasy I'm currently interested in, I have the scale of Bleakness and the Scale of Darkness! From most to least:

Bleakest: Dark Souls, The Witcher, A Song of Ice and Fire, Dragon Age.

Darkest:  A Song of Ice and Fire, The Witcher, Dragon Age, Dark Souls.

 

This is of course using arbitrary definitions. In Dark Souls, everything and everyone is doomed, but the creators took care that every character and monster would have a certain dignity about them. Considering the circumstances, everyone's shockingly nice.   But seriously. Doom. 

A Song of Ice and Fire, like the Witcher, has a doomy doom having to do with the cold, but the Walkers are something people can conceivably fight. The Witcher's end of the world scenario isn't an army that can be defeated. While people suck on a similar level to A Song of Ice and Fire, the world's possible salvation has already been passed over twice, once by one of the main antagonists who refused on moral grounds. (To be fair to the man's villain cred, what the plan required went WAY beyond the pale.  ) Dragon Age has shifted from darker fantasy, particularly 2, to something more optimistic. It's a very nice mixture of horrible people interacting with morally grey ones, and a handful of very nice people. And a focus on complicated circumstances that drive people to do horrible things, like all of them.

And that's my rant on my personal fantasy preferences for this morning. 

[lynroy]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

Sera/Solas I find it hilarious how Sera irritates Solas, but then Solas easily trolls her right back. I also enjoy Iron Bull/Solas, how they argue about the Qun, and the mental chess match is just fantastic. 

[Maria13]

Spoiler

I can't blame you too much for not being onboard Geralt/Triss, Siha. They had a lot more emphasis on Triss and her relationship with Geralt in the first one, and just plain handled Triss better there. They were probably relying on players having bonded with her in 1, and wanted to give Dandelion more screen time. (Totally worth it. ) At least, in my opinion. She was the heavy-hitting, politically savvy badass girlfriend that kept my head above the water in those first tumultuous days in Vizima when I had no idea what the hell I was doing.  Along with dear, sweet Raymond.  She's still cool in 2, but...*shrug*

We need a Giles/Solas crossover, where they're both snarky gentlemanly nerds in the background that start tag-team beating Falon'din in the face with a flaming baseball bat when he messes with Mythal. 

As for Solas/companion banters, the Cole ones are fascinating, the chess match and Qun banters with Bull are intense, and Cassandra and him just have such thoughtful, respectful banter it warms my heart. Also Dorian's attempt at a bromance.

EDIT: Oh, and Varric's! The trickster and fermented fruit juice ones in particular!

...Also Vivienne/Blackwall/Sera. *cough*

All of the banters is my cheapskate answer.

 

"The Senior Mages Cabal, Magic, Scholarship, Experience and Sark!

 

Founding members: Fen'Harel, Rupert Edmund Giles Esq. and Mr Harry Dresden...

 

PS Ladies welcome but beware!"

[Addai]

I guess I just have a different idea of romance then. I think if both is fine to her and him, then they should rather part ways. The way I saw it in Witcher 2 it can never be any more than mediocre. Surely they can find something better than somebody who cares somehow, maybe, or not because it's him anyway. I think he should find Yennifer because he seems to care about her and Triss should get more involved with shaping the mages' future and find her own way.

Your perception of their relationship isn't reality, though. I understand that was just your playthrough and the impression you got, but we know more about the characters than that, including what you can see of them just in TW2 with the various choices, and more from the other game and the books. Just like we know that Solas actually deeply cares about a romanced Lavellan because the writer told us so, even though some people playing the game perceived him as a manipulator who never really cared about her. Geralt is at the very least canonically friends with Triss, and Triss is canonically in love with him, no matter how your individual game went.

@ Caddius: I'm not sure on Yennefer or Triss, either. Have to see how it plays out.

[Siha]

Dragon Age has shifted from darker fantasy, particularly 2, to something more optimistic. It's a very nice mixture of horrible people interacting with morally grey ones, and a handful of very nice people. And a focus on complicated circumstances that drive people to do horrible things, like all of them.

 
You think? I personally felt that they moved more into shades of gray, leaving the black-and-white world even more than in DA2 already. In DA2 they started to show that things are not so simple but only regarding the Templars vs. mages issue. Now in DAI they try even more so force the questions of morality and positioning. Is Bianca dedicated or stupid? Is Solas villain or hero? Is Mythal the protector or the slaveholder? Is the Qun an oppressive system or one of equality? Is blood magic evil or only a tool?
What is good? What is bad? And how far is too far?

DAI is all about where do you draw the line, I think. And while the world does not feel to dark, they actually try to move the topics into a much more depressing corner. Because once you must realize that whatever you do can turn out bad in the end... I got that from DA2 already (the end, Merrill etc.) but DAI takes this theme further and weaves it into every aspect of Thedasian life.
 
Or, to quote Nick Cave:

Don't it make you feel so sad, don't the blood rush to your feet
To think that everything you do today, tomorrow is obsolete?
Technology and women and little children too
Don't it make you feel blue? Don't it make you feel blue?
For more news from nowhere

 

I know I am going a bit over the top here, but I really think DAI is BW's attempt at showing that darkness really is only the twilight zone, not the dead of night.

[Caddius]

"The Senior Mages Cabal, Magic, Scholarship, Experience and Sark!

 

Founding members: Fen'Harel, Rupert Edmund Giles Esq. and Mr Harry Dresden...

 

PS Ladies welcome but beware!"

With those three together, the galaxy would end up on fire.  And ancient Arlathan monsters would be resurrected to protect a library, powered by polka and Giles' singing.

[Siha]

Your perception of their relationship isn't reality, though. I understand that was just your playthrough and the impression you got, but we know more about the characters than that, including what you can see of them just in TW2 with the various choices, and more from the other game and the books. Just like we know that Solas actually deeply cares about a romanced Lavellan because the writer told us so, even though some people playing the game perceived him as a manipulator who never really cared about her. Geralt is at the very least canonically friends with Triss, and Triss is canonically in love with him, no matter how your individual game went.

@ Caddius: I'm not sure on Yennefer or Triss, either. Have to see how it plays out.

 

Alright, then let's leave it at "the author told us so".

[CapricornSun]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

 

Solas and Cole, for obvious reasons also. Then Solas and Cassandra. I just like how respectful they are to each other. I also greatly enjoy Solas and Blackwall's banters. Some of their banters make me chuckle like when Blackwall asks Solas about whether he has sex with spirits, or whether elves just call elfroots "root". And since I've been taking Sera along a lot more, I'm beginning to appreciate the banters she gets with Solas (poor Solas is adorable when irritated).

[Caddius]

 

 

I know I am going a bit over the top here, but I really think DAI is BW's attempt at showing that darkness really is only the twilight zone, not the dead of night.

That's an excellent point.

I guess I meant dark as in that, as the Inquisition, you're mostly dealing with reasonable if snooty nobles, the Inquisition itself, and an admittedly megalomaniac sorcerer trying to become a god. It's a step back from 2 in that it's not as pitch dark with the psychotics on both sides going at each other. I like how murky it is, I just wish there were more story arcs focusing on the more disturbing or raw parts of Thedas. What I was mostly talking about is that in Origins, victory is possible with either heroic sacrifice or some shady dealing on the side. In 2, victory is not possible. Everyone loses, and it's not any one specific person's doing. There's no Big Bad. In Inquisition, there is victory. The Mage-Templar conflict is seemingly resolved and Corpyheus is ended. The characters have power to change the world for the better, I guess. While the Mages, Templars, and Orlesian factors remain as murky and hard to pin down as ever, we get clear bad guys in the Venatori. Who admittedly have guys like Servis and Alexius among their number.

...What am I even trying to say? 

[Mims]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

 

I like almost all of them. But that isn't so much of a fun answer, so I'll limit it to three. 

 

Cole/Varric: Gives a lot of insight on the Fen'Harel side of Solas. Cole is fairly obvious, but Varric's talks with Solas are also very interesting. The whole 'man on an island' story feels like it has a lot of importance in understanding Solas's character. Solas is essentially the man on the island- but he's trying to drown himself rather than submit to it. 

 

I also love Solas's talks with Cassandra. They have a polite respect of one another, and their talks on faith are particularly interesting in retrospect. Particularly over the Maker. Solas seems to be fairly embittered to the concept of gods, but even he admits that it'd be nice for there to be someone out there. Considering how powerful Solas once was/is, it adds a nice touch of mortality to him. Even those called "gods" don't really know what drives the world forward. Or perhaps even what brought them into being. 

[Siha]

I guess I meant dark as in that, as the Inquisition, you're mostly dealing with reasonable if snooty nobles, the Inquisition itself, and an admittedly megalomaniac sorcerer trying to become a god. It's a step back from 2 in that it's not as pitch dark with the psychotics on both sides going at each other. I like how murky it is, I just wish there were more story arcs focusing on the more disturbing or raw parts of Thedas. What I was mostly talking about is that in Origins, victory is possible with either heroic sacrifice or some shady dealing on the side. In 2, victory is not possible. Everyone loses, and it's not any one specific person's doing. There's no Big Bad. In Inquisition, there is victory. The Mage-Templar conflict is seemingly resolved and Corpyheus is ended. The characters have power to change the world for the better, I guess. While the Mages, Templars, and Orlesian factors remain as murky and hard to pin down as ever, we get clear bad guys in the Venatori. Who admittedly have guys like Servis and Alexius among their number.

...What am I even trying to say? 

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say, but I agree.

There is less "dark" in DAI. There even was a thread about this and it started out fine until the ... less considerate people dropped in. Anyway, I fully agree. However, I also see what BW tried to do. I don't think they did too well, but they tried and I appreciate that.

 

I don't think Corypheus is even supposed to be the "big evil". What I take from Inquisition is mainly how people are blind. They focus on him but he is not the point. He is Firefly at best but he sure as hell is no Ra's a Ghul. Just to stay with Batman, you know. The actual game is going on behind the scenes and the Inquisition is completely blind to it. And I very much appreciate this approach. They could have done a better job at showing it, but I will not start bashing BW for flaws in writing. I have played a lot of games and these still are top-notch when it comes to story, so I am forgiving.

 

Let's face it -- also in DAI everybody loses, kind of. Solas loses, the (Dalish) Inquisitor loses, the Chantry loses, the new Divine (probably) loses, Varric loses for sure, Bull and Dorian lose either way, and so on. Almost everybody is left with less than when he started. But nobody is really aware of it, bathing in that little spotlight they call victory. But it is not actually; Corypheus was a battle, the war is still going on.

[Maria13]

Let's face it -- also in DAI everybody loses, kind of. Solas loses, the (Dalish) Inquisitor loses, the Chantry loses, the new Divine (probably) loses, Varric loses for sure, Bull and Dorian lose either way, and so on. Almost everybody is left with less than when he started. But nobody is really aware of it, bathing in that little spotlight they call victory. But it is not actually; Corypheus was a battle, the war is still going on.

 

I really like this. Agree all the way...

[Caddius]

 

Let's face it -- also in DAI everybody loses, kind of. Solas loses, the (Dalish) Inquisitor loses, the Chantry loses, the new Divine (probably) loses, Varric loses for sure, Bull and Dorian lose either way, and so on. Almost everybody is left with less than when he started. But nobody is really aware of it, bathing in that little spotlight they call victory. But it is not actually; Corypheus was a battle, the war is still going on.

Consensus again!

I think the common people win, at least in comparison to the Mage-Templar War, and the Mages and Templars can potentially score a win. Potentially. After a lot of bloodshed.

But yeah, Corypheus isn't the ultimate threat. It's really interesting to look back on Dragon Age and realize just how much influence Mythal and Solas have had on events throughout the years. An elven god chose to take up with the Inquisition, provide them with their home base, and become one of their closest advisers and even a lover. Another saved Hawke and company, saved herself, set up her successor, snatched an Old God soul from the Blight, and was responsible for aiming the Hero of Ferelden at the Fifth Blight in the first place, complete with treaties.

I'm itching to find out what day the Executors are 'in vigil' for, and why they seem to consider Corypheus the lesser threat.

[nikki-tikki]

We are almost at 3500.

[Siha]

I apologize now for
 
beck-loser

 
Never apologize for quoting music. I would form all my replies here that way... if it didn't seem so psychopathic.
 

I really like this. Agree all the way...

 

 

just how much influence Mythal and Solas have had on events throughout the years.

That's what I mean. I think BW's biggest "flaw" is that they keep a few things far too subtle. Like that hesitation in Solas' scene where he tells about the vallaslin (I still don't see it). They should have made it more obvious. No stupid sighing and exaggerated pause, but something more realistic.

Same thing applies to the world order. They show us a world like ours, where a few things are discussed to death in the media but the important debates, like international trade agreements, stay mostly in the shadows. And they give us hints on that it is so, but the hints are small and few. That is good, in theory, but sometimes does not work well in a game. Giving Solas an ending scene, which cries out "You have all been so blind" was the most straightforward hint they have ever given, throughout DA. (DA2 had few hints because Hawke was to be surprised by everything, and DAO did not even need any hints because there was nothing hidden in the first place.) This ending scene is how I got here at all, tbh. Had it not been there I might have disregarded too much about DAI, but this was necessary (for me) to make a few of the tiny puzzle pieces click into place.

[Maria13]

Consensus again!

I think the common people win, at least in comparison to the Mage-Templar War, and the Mages and Templars can potentially score a win. Potentially. After a lot of bloodshed.

But yeah, Corypheus isn't the ultimate threat. It's really interesting to look back on Dragon Age and realize just how much influence Mythal and Solas have had on events throughout the years. An elven god chose to take up with the Inquisition, provide them with their home base, and become one of their closest advisers and even a lover. Another saved Hawke and company, saved herself, set up her successor, snatched an Old God soul from the Blight, and was responsible for aiming the Hero of Ferelden at the Fifth Blight in the first place, complete with treaties.

I'm itching to find out what day the Executors are 'in vigil' for, and why they seem to consider Corypheus the lesser threat.

 

Flementh/Mythal has always been the deity nudging history along in the DA games... Will this role be now assumed by Solas/Morrigan? But why are things being set in a certain direction? To me the main thrust of it all, is to quote from a certain much disputed document, "an ever closer union" between the different peoples of Thedas...

 

And perhaps that is the reply to the point made by Siha, yeah, everybody loses but by working together, they've all gained so much... You have to give up some things in order to earn others.

[Maria13]

With those three together, the galaxy would end up on fire.  And ancient Arlathan monsters would be resurrected to protect a library, powered by polka and Giles' singing.

 

With the dread wolf waltzing with one of the newly admitted lady members...

 

Or protecting ancient monuments... Gods knows they need protecting.

[MoonDrummer]

I should really play the Witcher, its just been sitting there for years gathering dust...

[CapricornSun]

I should really play the Witcher, its just been sitting there for years gathering dust...

 

I should try continuing my Witcher game. I started playing the first Witcher game last year but I didn't go very far. (I lost interest...) 

 

Also, you changed your avatar (again) MoonDrummer? xD

[BoscoBread]

 

Solas, on 11 Mar 2015 - 1:01 PM, said:

 

I like the respectful relationship between Cassandra and Solas .

 

It's actually my favorite and close second comes Solas/Varric.  I think they are pretty poignant and I love that they challenge Solas -- Varric especially.

[MoonDrummer]

Also, you changed your avatar (again) MoonDrummer? xD

Well someone needs to spread the word of our Lord and Saviour June. 

[Elira]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

*Late* Solas/Cole is my absolute favorite, without a doubt. Rarely, very rarely did either of those two leave my party. Solas/Cassandra, Solas/Varric, and Solas/Dorian are close seconds. To be honest, I didn't have Bull in my party much because Cassandra was my preferred tank, and the same goes for Sera, because Cole was my rogue choice, and if not Cole then Varric. I'll undoubtedly take them out more in my inevitable second playthrough.

[Avejajed]

 

Let's face it -- also in DAI everybody loses, kind of. Solas loses, the (Dalish) Inquisitor loses, the Chantry loses, the new Divine (probably) loses, Varric loses for sure, Bull and Dorian lose either way, and so on. Almost everybody is left with less than when he started. But nobody is really aware of it, bathing in that little spotlight they call victory. But it is not actually; Corypheus was a battle, the war is still going on.

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

On-topic question for the thread - Which companion's interactions with Solas are your favorite and why? By far my favorite is Solas/Cole for obvious reasons. Still trying to make up my mind regarding second place.

 

Team All the Feels/Team Weekes (Cole, Bull, Solas) have some great banters.  On the other side of things, I like Solas and Vivienne's banters since he's one of the few team members who frequently gets the better of her.

 

I wish the companions and advisors had banters.  I want to hear Josie and Vivienne talking about Orlesian parties, or Cullen slowly warming up to Cole.

[Siha]

<subtitled Everybody Hurts>

 

Oh my god. Adorable. "Silence is gray".