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[Avejajed]

Someone put salt in my tea

 

That's super gross.

[Colonelkillabee]

Wondering now what the French have ever done to you to deserve such hate in the first place.

I need a reason to hate the French? Lol. But okay I'll humor you. Lets see....

 

There's Christina Aguilera's song for one. That song would have never existed if not for the french language.

And they're also the inspiration for Orlesians...

 

I have a long list, but it would be off topic.

 

The Dread Wolf title apparently originates back before the Dalish promoted him to official scapegoat. Unless Flemeth was being sarcastic about it. I am guessing Solas definitely had some darker shades back in the day, and ambition would be one of them. If you are smart and powerful, it is difficult not to make use of those talents. 

 

I personally think he was probably an outright villain. Someone who just did not care about anything, so he enjoyed making problems and just being a nuisance of himself. Then something happened in Arlathan that sort of snapped him out of it- probably the fact that he realized he was the only sane one left. It was fun for him to be the bad guy. Not so fun to find out that the people who were supposed to be good [IE; the Pantheon] actually managed to do things even you'd never do. 

 

I agree with the beginning of this post, but when it comes to the second portion, I agree with Siha's analysis of him.

 

Solas just isn't an uncaring individual. He may not show his emotion outwardly all the time, but he's anything but lacking in care, even if he pretends not to. Thinkers like that can't not care about things. I remember a friend of mine and I were talking about politics, which is like pandora's box with me because I won't shut up about it, and after I was done talking about it and the state of the world, and everything else, and acknowledged that I couldn't change it, he said finally, "Then why do you care?" At the time I said I don't know, and now it's simply because I think too much, about everything. You can't not care about something when you think about it so much, and Solas strikes me as a person that is always constantly thinking about everything, someone that lives in his mind.

 

I guess you could say that maybe he changed, but I don't think people change that drastically.

 

Granted, I'm not Solas, but I feel that I can relate to him in a lot of ways, so that's why I see things the way I do.

[Mims]

I suppose when I say 'he didn't care', I mean more that he may have been very aloof about it all. You are someone with an immense amount of magical power. You are very intelligent. You don't appear to enjoy worship or being apart of the group. He may have very well had a hard time finding something to devote his time to...other than using his intellect to make problems and rebel. 

 

If you think about goals and aspirations- how much higher can one get from godhood? Where do you go from there? If he didn't crave worship like the other gods [who fell into vanity and other cruelties], you've got to do something with your endless time and power. I think Fen'Harel might have felt fairly jaded about the entire thing. So he made problems with the other gods and explored places like the fade and possibly the void.

 

Essentially- you create problems to keep yourself amused. You challenge the status quo. You see what the other gods will let you get away with. You make complex problems and wait to see how people get out of them [or fail.] But I don't think he was by nature cruel. Just not caring enough to realize how bad Arlathan got until it was basically too late. 

 

[And, this is just my read on what Fen'Harel might have been like, not anything I claim to be fact.] 

[Colonelkillabee]

Il est juste jaloux qu'il ne sait pas comment parler une si belle langue.

 

J'ai été club français le président de l'école et j'ai toujours besoin d'utiliser un traducteur parce que je suis terrible à écrire français. Je vous prie de m'excuser.

Google translate is a beautiful thing, isn't it? Lol.

[MoonDrummer]

That's super gross.

Yes. Yes it is.

[Maria13]

Nope, there is nothing after "You may be French". It stops right there before I bear arms.

 

You seem to be forgetting that they were once your allies against the British...

[BoscoBread]

I suppose when I say 'he didn't care', I mean more that he may have been very aloof about it all. You are someone with an immense amount of magical power. You are very intelligent. You don't appear to enjoy worship or being apart of the group. He may have very well had a hard time finding something to devote his time to...other than using his intellect to make problems and rebel. 

 

If you think about goals and aspirations- how much higher can one get from godhood? Where do you go from there? If he didn't crave worship like the other gods [who fell into vanity and other cruelties], you've got to do something with your endless time and power. I think Fen'Harel might have felt fairly jaded about the entire thing. So he made problems with the other gods and explored places like the fade and possibly the void.

 

Essentially- you create problems to keep yourself amused. You challenge the status quo. You see what the other gods will let you get away with. You make complex problems and wait to see how people get out of them [or fail.] But I don't think he was by nature cruel. Just not caring enough to realize how bad Arlathan got until it was basically too late. 

 

[And, this is just my read on what Fen'Harel might have been like, not anything I claim to be fact.] 

It just paints him as capricious though and even from the minimal from Cole - I don't think he ever was. Rash. Probably.  But aloof to the point of uncaring - I don't see it. I agree with Killabee. I think he's hardwired to CARE - like a care-bot.    I also think he probably cared about his brethren. He talks about putting an enormous amount of trust in them(I assume since he talks about a group) and being betrayed.  We see how deeply that affected him.  If you're that jaded why would you get so bent out of shape.  He cares. 

[Colonelkillabee]

You seem to be forgetting that they were once your allies against the British...

I'm fond of the phrase "But what have you done for me lately?" Lol.

[Avejajed]

Google translate is a beautiful thing, isn't it? Lol.

 

Eh bien, j'ai carrément admis à avoir à utiliser le traducteur, malgré quatre années de Français et aussi d'avoir été effectivement à la France. Mais au moins j'ai essayé de lui parler de sa propre belle langue au lieu d'être un géant américain incultes.

[Colonelkillabee]

Eh bien, j'ai carrément admis à avoir à utiliser le traducteur, malgré quatre années de Français et aussi d'avoir été effectivement à la France. Mais au moins j'ai essayé de lui parler de sa propre belle langue au lieu d'être un géant américain incultes.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.

[Avejajed]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say.

 

Hah she doesn't even care anyway. I've probably offended her by using translate. I will say, however, that although I was told it was terrible to be an American in France, I actually was not treated without respect at all. Everyone was quite nice to my face me. I was expecting people to be very rude to me, and it wasn't the case at all. Everyone was lovely. 

[Mims]

It just paints him as capricious though and even from the minimal from Cole - I don't think he ever was. Rash. Probably.  But aloof to the point of uncaring - I don't see it. I agree with Killabee. I think he's hardwired to CARE - like a care-bot.    I also think he probably cared about his brethren. He talks about putting an enormous amount of trust in them(I assume since he talks about a group) and being betrayed.  We see how deeply that affected him.  If you're that jaded why would you get so bent out of shape.  He cares. 

 

People change over time though. I don't doubt that he did care once Arlathan hit rock bottom. I just don't know if he always felt that way. I think he was probably just as much apart of the problem as the other gods- he just happened to eventually snap out of it and realize they had gone too far. 

[Maria13]

I suppose when I say 'he didn't care', I mean more that he may have been very aloof about it all. You are someone with an immense amount of magical power. You are very intelligent. You don't appear to enjoy worship or being apart of the group. He may have very well had a hard time finding something to devote his time to...other than using his intellect to make problems and rebel. 

 

If you think about goals and aspirations- how much higher can one get from godhood? Where do you go from there? If he didn't crave worship like the other gods [who fell into vanity and other cruelties], you've got to do something with your endless time and power. I think Fen'Harel might have felt fairly jaded about the entire thing. So he made problems with the other gods and explored places like the fade and possibly the void.

 

Essentially- you create problems to keep yourself amused. You challenge the status quo. You see what the other gods will let you get away with. You make complex problems and wait to see how people get out of them [or fail.] But I don't think he was by nature cruel. Just not caring enough to realize how bad Arlathan got until it was basically too late. 

 

[And, this is just my read on what Fen'Harel might have been like, not anything I claim to be fact.] 

 

You're forgetting the SEX... 

 

But, yeah I can go along with this the "heady blend of power, intrigue, danger and sex" it's in his own words after all. But it does depend on what his status actually was... I think it wasn't very high up in the pantheon, he wasn't a founding member of the club, but he may have managed to wrangle his way in.

 

I suspect he started off as Mythal's creature and moved on from there, to an extent he may have been a power broker but I don't think he was ever a power, not in Arlathan at least, so what he could have done to prevent what happened from happening was limited. But I've no doubt he messed around with the others, who were probably pretty nasty back.

[Maria13]

I agree with the beginning of this post, but when it comes to the second portion, I agree with Siha's analysis of him.

 

Solas just isn't an uncaring individual. He may not show his emotion outwardly all the time, but he's anything but lacking in care, even if he pretends not to. Thinkers like that can't not care about things. I remember a friend of mine and I were talking about politics, which is like pandora's box with me because I won't shut up about it, and after I was done talking about it and the state of the world, and everything else, and acknowledged that I couldn't change it, he said finally, "Then why do you care?" At the time I said I don't know, and now it's simply because I think too much, about everything. You can't not care about something when you think about it so much, and Solas strikes me as a person that is always constantly thinking about everything, someone that lives in his mind.

 

I guess you could say that maybe he changed, but I don't think people change that drastically.

 

Granted, I'm not Solas, but I feel that I can relate to him in a lot of ways, so that's why I see things the way I do.

 

I  this so much!

[Delphine]

Someone put salt in my tea

 

Ugh, spoiling tea, what kind of inhumane monster would do such thing? AU BÛCHER!

 

I have a long list, but it would be off topic.

 

Yeah, and we definitely don't do that sort of thing around, least of all you!

 

Hah she doesn't even care anyway. I've probably offended her by using translate. I will say, however, that although I was told it was terrible to be an American in France, I actually was not treated without respect at all. Everyone was quite nice to my face me. I was expecting people to be very rude to me, and it wasn't the case at all. Everyone was lovely. 

 

I'm not offended at all, on the contrary, I appreciate the effort, it made me smile.

And I think the niceness can vary depending on which part of France you're visiting, and other factors.

 

I remember weeks ago a middle-age drunk English woman was yelling at my friends and me on the streets. We remained super cool about it, told her she had rad shoes, and she yelled "LESBIAAAANS!" at me when we parted ways, because I wouldn't stop smiling to her and be nice.

Best insult ever. People are funny.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Shameless self-promotion here: first Solas-centric writing in a while.  A couple of months ago, we came up with the idea on this thread of having Solas tell Lavellan stories based on the astrarium codex entries.  As it turns out, writing fables is f***ing frustrating, but here's the result.

 

Astrariums of Thedas.  Also on AO3.

[Maria13]

I remember weeks ago a middle-age drunk English woman was yelling at my friends and I on the streets. We remained super cool about it, told her she had rad shoes, and she yelled "LESBIAAAANS!" at me when we parted ways, because I wouldn't stop smiling to her and be nice.

Best insult ever. People are funny.

 

The English abroad... Just... Ugh! Thank god a Spanish father saved me from that.

[MoonDrummer]

Ugh, spoiling tea, what kind of inhumane monster would do such thing? AU BÛCHER!

Well, according to the only other person in the house, it was the dog.

[Siha]

Wondering now what the French have ever done to you to deserve such hate in the first place.

 

If I had to make an educated guess it might involve the recent cheese debate here... you know, Americans tend to feel very strongly about cheese. It is a big part of the inherent, ancestral American culture, including original pizza, meat loafs, and -- last but not least -- pasta noodles. Or cheese sticks. Try to cut camembert into cheese sticks, really, it's just preposterous.

 

Il est juste jaloux qu'il ne sait pas comment parler une si belle langue.

 

J'ai été club français le président de l'école et j'ai toujours besoin d'utiliser un traducteur parce que je suis terrible à écrire français. Je vous prie de m'excuser.

 

Bless you.

 

I suppose when I say 'he didn't care', I mean more that he may have been very aloof about it all. <snip>

 

I did not criticize your notion of him "not caring". I simply criticized calling him a "villain", which I do not think he is. Even if I stretch my definition of that word, Solas is still pretty far outside it's boundaries.

 

Someone put salt in my tea

 

Maybe you deserved it? You did, after all, get rid of Keith for that... thing you are wearing right now. I don't mean to say it's an offense but... it's an offense somehow.

 

Hah she doesn't even care anyway. I've probably offended her by using translate. I will say, however, that although I was told it was terrible to be an American in France, I actually was not treated without respect at all. Everyone was quite nice to my face me. I was expecting people to be very rude to me, and it wasn't the case at all. Everyone was lovely. 

 

I had a very good friend who was a half German, half French actual princess studying in France. I went to visit her. It was lovely. We had... baguette... I guess? Or was it wine? Maybe chocolates... I am not so sure anymore. I actually only remember being on acid in the Fade and laughing my ass off at the shapes of shadows and clouds. I sort of liked France. Or... was it Belgium? Switzerland? It was sunny. I think.

[BoscoBread]

I had a very good friend who was a half German, half French actual princess studying in France. I went to visit her. It was lovely. We had... baguette... I guess? Or was it wine? Maybe chocolates... I am not so sure anymore. I actually only remember being on acid in the Fade and laughing my ass off at the shapes of shadows and clouds. I sort of liked France. Or... was it Belgium? Switzerland? It was sunny. I think.

This is my favorite story today.  I had a similar experience. I thought I was a golem wandering around a Taco Bell.  That was a good day.

[MoonDrummer]

Maybe you deserved it? You did, after all, get rid of Keith for that... thing you are wearing right now. I don't mean to say it's an offense but... it's an offense somehow.

 

 

I had a very good friend who was a half German, half French actual princess studying in France. I went to visit her. It was lovely. We had... baguette... I guess? Or was it wine? Maybe chocolates... I am not so sure anymore. I actually only remember being on acid in the Fade and laughing my ass off at the shapes of shadows and clouds. I sort of liked France. Or... was it Belgium? Switzerland? It was sunny. I think.

No one deserves salty tea.

 

I have a half-French friend too, one day his ma gave me a mushy snail goo thing to eat. Second worst day of my life after deep fried Mars Bar.

[Siha]

This is my favorite story today.  I had a similar experience. I thought I was a golem wandering around a Taco Bell.  That was a good day.

 

Which is why I come to like you more and more each day.

I got that in Amsterdam. From the fresh air there. I was basically a grinning goofball pointing senselessly at both bikes and bridges, squeaking "Another one, and even prettier than the last!" Those 1.5 miles took about two hours and I might not have been the most popular person anymore by the end of the odyssey. But I did get a sweet roll to keep me occupied. That was a good day.

 

I have a half-French friend too, one day his ma gave me a mushy snail goo thing to eat. Second worst day of my life after deep fried Mars Bar.

 

Not a friend anymore, I take it?

[Avejajed]

 

I had a very good friend who was a half German, half French actual princess studying in France. I went to visit her. It was lovely. We had... baguette... I guess? Or was it wine? Maybe chocolates... I am not so sure anymore. I actually only remember being on acid in the Fade and laughing my ass off at the shapes of shadows and clouds. I sort of liked France. Or... was it Belgium? Switzerland? It was sunny. I think.

 

I'm also an actual princess, so that's two you know now.

 

Relevant, though. On my last day in France I went to a bakery and bought two baguettes to bring home. I hate a whole one on the way home. And half of another.

[Kestrel]

I went to Paris in mid January and they still hadn't bothered to remove the giant Christmas tree from in front of Notre Dame. 

[Colonelkillabee]

If I had to make an educated guess it might involve the recent cheese debate here... you know, Americans tend to feel very strongly about cheese. It is a big part of the inherent, ancestral American culture, including original pizza, meat loafs, and -- last but not least -- pasta noodles. Or cheese sticks. Try to cut camembert into cheese sticks, really, it's just preposterous.

Cheese or anything else a frenchie suggests is better 'murica. We're better because I say so.

 

"But Colonel, America's actually not because-"

 

lalalalala, can't hear you over the awesome music!