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...I know you would dispute it.

But "misrepresenting" is lying.

Solas is very careful to avoid direct falsehoods and seems to prefer careful misrepresentation as his form of lies. I could even see him priding himself on not relying on blatant lies and maintaining that veneer of 'Well, you never asked'. Which to me is nonsense. He deliberately set his situation, his appearance, and his 'story' up to be interpreted as innocently as possible. His purpose for being in the Inquisition is a lie, his goal is a lie, 'The Fade' is a lie.

Which, for me, is all fine. He had good reasons for lying. 


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You must always agree with Siha

I always agree with me, until I don't, and then I change my mind. It's easier to keep track of that way.

 

More on Solas as INTP:

Ne (extraverted iNtuition, the Dominant function) seeks to understand the world in terms of the metaphysical themes that underlie what they see. Head half in the Fade, in other words.

 

Where Solas has an advantage is that he's got hundreds of years of experience he can draw on, and studying behavior, so he can smooth over areas where he's at a disadvantage. He's very poised. Except when he's really stressed, then his Inferior- extraverted Feeling- takes over, and before you know it he's grabbing Lavellan's ass before dropping her in the middle of nowhere with barely a word of explanation.



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I'm fairly similar, except that people don't usually toss me leadership roles because I'm so reluctant to order people around, and prefer to 'work on my own and at my own pace, my way.'

But there have been situations where the leader isn't leading and no one is doing anything in a school project, and I get irritated, so there's a bit of a coup. Then I discover my authoritarian streak. :/ Get it done as quickly and efficiently as possible so that this miserable experience of 'jolly cooperation' can be put to an end. But if there's an even remotely competent leader in the group, I am so very happy to leave the leadership to them, and focus on providing ideas and making others' ideas workable. 

In TV Tropes terms, I really prefer to be the Lancer or the Smart Guy in a group. Occasionally the Chick. :P

Ugh, that is the worst... I am definitely like that. The reluctant leader. That's how I played my warden and Inquisitor too. Reluctant heroes, at first anyway. I'd rather lead than twiddle my thumbs with slackers if my grade is reliant on their cooperation. I sort of lead from behind, preferably. I don't need to be "the face".

 

Unfortunately, I look and apparently sound commanding, so I play the role anyway.

 

Ha, maybe that was Solas. The other pantheons weren't getting their **** together so he did things for them finally when it was clear everything was going to hell.



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You are alarmingly close to the maximum number of emoticons. Put two more sentences and you run the danger of being banned.

I've actually only witnessed the recent glitterotica/NSFW fight, all the other debates here that I saw were mostly civil. I assume I haven't been around long enough after all. But I do sort of miss the pizza guy.

 

How do I even determine my spirit animal? Does everybody have one, even animal haters?

Yeah...this is mine. 

 

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Solas is very careful to avoid direct falsehoods and seems to prefer careful misrepresentation as his form of lies. I could even see him priding himself on not relying on blatant lies and maintaining that veneer of 'Well, you never asked'. Which to me is nonsense. He deliberately set his situation, his appearance, and his 'story' up to be interpreted as innocently as possible. His purpose for being in the Inquisition is a lie, his goal is a lie, 'The Fade' is a lie.

Which, for me, is all fine. He had good reasons for lying. 

He has excellent reasons for lying. Which is why I can call him a lying liar mcliarpants and still love him to bits. 


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I would dispute he's a liar... Oh, he misrepresents plenty... But that ain't the same as lying... It's people making assumptions and actually being stupid... But hey...

 

He does lie sometimes.  But I'm not going to get all judgy about that.  Everyone lies.  Except me, I never lie (hint: that's a lie).  It's what he lies about that I would get angry over ... depending on what it is and why and how many people it hurt (if any).

 

Edit:  I hate getting ToP.


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...I know you would dispute it.

But "misrepresenting" is lying.

 

No it isn't actually. I would say it is misleading but it stops short of lying...


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No it isn't actually. I would say it is misleading but it stops short of lying...


Pretending to be something, or someone you're not, is lying.

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if someone would actually present a convincing argument for him as a J or whatever, 

 

Until someone has examples from Solas' behavior in game to better argue he's INTJ though, 

 

Oh Maker, fine. My head sighs "No, this is ridiculous" but if you two need it so badly.

The spoiler has content from this source http://www.16persona...-and-weaknesses, which I commented in the text to relate it to Solas.

 

Spoiler

 

So now I conclude: I can attribute the traits of character to Solas. (And I believe if I go through a few of the other personality types I can probably do the same.) Therefore I feel confirmed in my starting point: it is very subjective to classify him as anything in particular, and your arguments and certainty he definitely was your own personality type because it's the only reasonable explanation is very weak. I see as many indications for him being ABCD as WXYZ, or probably HIJK for that matter.

 

I don't care if he is INTP or INTJ, I just argue against your know-it-all attitude. So please do not ask me to bring forth more sources to prove his personality type because that is not my point of criticism at all.


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No it isn't actually. I would say it is misleading but it stops short of lying...

I have issues calling him a liar because that word is so loaded.  It implies some sort of malicious intent to purposefully cover the truth or at least cowardice.  Neither of which I get from Solas.  His "cover up" is for good reason also it's not really necessary that he reveals who is until he gets in too deep with a romanced Lavellan.  

 

I guess "mis-leading" or lie by omission is technically a lie...but still...that's like technical legal jargon.  Maybe what I'm trying to say is that I really don't get that hung up on him "mis-reprsenting" himself.  I feel like who he was with the Quizzy is really him.  Which is really all that matters in the end.  So when you see him again not much will be different except the +20 emo that he'll probably have. 


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No it isn't actually. I would say it is misleading but it stops short of lying...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie

Lying by omission.

Noble Lie.

Misleading and dissembling.

Half truth.

Economical with the truth.

Deflecting.

:) I'm very much on the 'Solas lied a lot' view of things.

EDIT: I don't have the hang-ups on the word liar that others do. If I did, I might be in the 'misleading isn't quite lying' view, just to avoid painting Solas with the Brush of Implications. As it is, he lied, he misdirected. He enjoys trickster figures in literature for a reason. :)


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I would say that misrepresenting yourself is indeed lying. Everyone does this to an extent though.

 

But obviously Solas has to do it a lot more than others. The only difference with him and Blackwall is that you get to challenge Blackwall for his lies, and his lies are much more blatant.

 

Solas' are just not the full truth, and you never learn about them.



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A Solas Haiku:

 

Snowflake on my head.

I may be the Wolf of Dread.

Refrigerator.

 

 

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...I didn't say it was going to be a good haiku.


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You must always agree with Siha

 

Stop mocking me...

 

I believe to get a spirit animal you're supposed to take drugs from your tribe and head out into the wilds on a spirit quest. Or at least, that's what I learned in my Traditions And Builds of the Tauren Shaman book. *shrug*

 

But I did all th---- Ohhh... you must have a tribe. Well, that's... bad then.

 

I was of the same mind in seeing Solas as an INTJ yesterday.

 

Nope, you misunderstand. We were not, nor are we, of one mind or another; because I have no opinion on what Solas is. I do not even care. I could probably go through half of the profiles and relate them to Solas. My issue is only your and Addai's claim to know it all without a doubt, nothing more than that. 

 

Yeah...this is mine. 

 

Spoiler

 

Damn, I am crazy in love with Jack White. Does that make you and me soulmates now?


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I have issues calling him a liar because that word is so loaded.  It implies some sort of malicious intent to purposefully cover the truth or at least cowardice.  Neither of which I get from Solas.  His "cover up" is for good reason also it's not really necessary that he reveals who is until he gets in too deep with a romanced Lavellan.  

 

I guess "mis-leading" or lie by omission is technically a lie...but still...that's like technical legal jargon.  Maybe what I'm trying to say is that I really don't get that hung up on him "mis-reprsenting" himself.  I feel like who he was with the Quizzy is really him.  Which is really all that matters in the end.  So when you see him again not much will be different except the +20 emo that he'll probably have. 

 

Honestly (heh) a lie, in and of itself, is not necessarily a bad thing.  It just means someone is not telling the flat out truth.  Many times telling someone exactly the way it is doesn't turn out so well.  I had a good friend, I told her the truth about something, she flipped out and ... well, she's not a friend anymore.  I regret that and kinda wish I had just lied to her.

 

Also, consider ... if Solas had come forward and said hey I'm Fen'Harel, how many would have actually believed him?  Not us the player but the characters.  Or the companions - most of whom don't even believe in the elven gods.  It would have been counterproductive at the beginning at least.


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So now I conclude: I can attribute the traits of character to Solas. (And I believe if I go through a few of the other personality types I can probably do the same.) Therefore I feel confirmed in my starting point: it is very subjective to classify him as anything in particular, and your arguments and certainty he definitely was your own personality type because it's the only reasonable explanation is very weak. I see as many indications for him being ABCD as WXYZ, or probably HIJK for that matter.

 

I don't care if he is INTP or INTJ, I just argue against your know-it-all attitude. So please do not ask me to bring forth more sources to prove his personality type because that is not my point of criticism at all.

Right, well I did say that I thought Solas was an INTP with J tendencies. If you look at all those personality types, I bet you'll find at least three or even four that make you think "this might be me". What makes me settle on the P for Solas however is this:

 

http://www.personali...four-prefs.html

Spoiler

 

 

Solas checks off the bottom a lot more than the top.

 

And finally, I don't know how I could come off as a know it all when I was agreeing with you yesterday (apparently not, reading your above post), then stated I was wrong ;) I'm confident in what I say, yes. I've said several times already though that I didn't mean that I couldn't be wrong, even if I initially stated "in fact" when that was basically a slip. One I've already since corrected.


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I preferred the cheese debate.


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My issue is only your and Addai's claim to know it all without a doubt, nothing more than that. 
 

Can't speak for addai but you mistake my confidence in my assessment for knowing it all... I can't possibly know it all if I openly admitted I was wrong in what to me was the closer classification ;) And if that is the issue, it seems you might've taken things a bit personally too, no?

 

;)

 

Anyway, that's enough of all that. We'll just be restating things in circles over and over and over.



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I preferred the cheese debate.

I don't want to detract from this interesting and in depth conversation, but...what was the cheese debate?

 

Also, that Haiku  :lol:



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I preferred the cheese debate.

Hey at least this is on topic, yes? :D That's what people wanted.

 

Only thing wrong with this is people need to chill some, all around.



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Off topic - the romances in your sig... switch out Anders for Fenris and Illyria Greatly Approves.

 

 

 

 

I do love Fenris, really. He's in my party. But Anders....knowing him from Awakening and then what happens, it just appeals to the caretaking sense in me, the nurturing and optimism. Even when the game just throws everything at you to prove how little control you have. I even left him alive and sent Hawke off with him. Which is one reason I had to save Hawke. Couldn't leave Anders out there alone in the world.



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And finally, I don't know how I could come off as a know it all when I was agreeing with you yesterday (apparently not, reading your above post), then stated I was wrong ;) I'm confident in what I say, yes. I've said several times already though that I didn't mean that I couldn't be wrong, even if I initially stated "in fact" when that was basically a slip. One I've already since corrected.

 

Exactly. You are certain that you were wrong yesterday and are right now. ;)

 

And if that is the issue, it seems you might've taken things a bit personally too, no?

 

If you want to go there now, you might make that happen.



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I preferred the cheese debate.

That one made me sad.

Deli-sliced sharp cheddar, which is apparently American yuck paste to the rest of the world, is about the best I can get.  :(



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I preferred the cheese debate.

I don't get the debate.  Cheese is amazing.  END DEBATE.


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Pretending to be something, or someone you're not, is lying.

 

But he's not pretending to be someone he's not... He's Solas... And Solas he is...

 

He just doesn't tell you that in another existence he may also have been Fen'Harel and since you haven't asked...


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