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[Sable Rhapsody]

I think I'm in the "they were all dicks" camp tbh

 

Mythal seems...ok?  From what we know of her, at least she was willing to pass judgment on the People instead of having Elgar'nan burninate them all every time he threw a tantrum.  That's good, right?

[laurelinvanyar]

It is just idle speculation... Ghilly seems somewhat more inoffensive than some of the others, from what we hear in the Codex more of a victim than a victimiser... As to her destroying her creations being an inherently evil act... We just don't know... Perhaps it is that they were simply never meant to be...

Hehe I love that we all have very different opinions on each of the Pantheon based off of the limited info we get in-game. Kind of mirrors the Dalish, no?

 

I'm actually more frightened by Ghilan'nain than almost any other god. All those fantastical monsters she created? She did it before she was a god, and they were so terrible Andruil offered her a place in the pantheon in exchange for their destruction. She's also known for being a recluse. One of my more disturbing theories involves her turning elven slaves into halla. 

 

http://dragonage.wik..._of_Ghilan'nain

 

So... a reclusive mad-scientist with god-powers? *shudders*

 

I call her Franken-Ghilly. 

[drake2511]

I like the idea that all the elvhen gods might have been just crazy and evil powerful mages. Since Solas is such a greyish figure, for me it somehow strengthen the theory that he must have been an outsider of the Pantheon, something like a guardian. In his banters with Blawall he says he saw many battles, maybe he was a soldier. An emerald knight?

[Elira]

Like quota, why do you do this to me? I want to like a number of posts but you won't let me! Meanie!

[Dark_Rogue]

Hehe I love that we all have very different opinions on each of the Pantheon based off of the limited info we get in-game. Kind of mirrors the Dalish, no?

 

I'm actually more frightened by Ghilan'nain than almost any other god. All those fantastical monsters she created? She did it before she was a god, and they were so terrible Andruil offered her a place in the pantheon in exchange for their destruction. She's also known for being a recluse. One of my more disturbing theories involves her turning elven slaves into halla. 

 

http://dragonage.wik..._of_Ghilan'nain

 

So... a reclusive mad-scientist with god-powers? *shudders*

 

I call her Franken-Ghilly. 

That's a really disturbing thought...

 

I like it.

 

I also read through her wiki article again and I noticed that "On the second day she drowned the giants of the sea, except those in deep waters, for they were too well-wrought, and Pride stopped her hand." and all I could think of was:

 

Spoiler

[nikki-tikki]

So we're allowed to talk about the Pantheon now?

 

 

Have you heard about our lord and saviour Falon'Din?

[Solas]

Mythal seems...ok?  From what we know of her, at least she was willing to pass judgment on the People instead of having Elgar'nan burninate them all every time he threw a tantrum.  That's good, right?

"Other [stories] paint her as dark and vengeful.. 'pray to mythal and she would smite your enemies leaving them in agony'"

Solas says the oldest accounts say she was both this and the protective mother, and neither. 

 

besides that, she probably took part in the slavekeeping, and she did something that motivated someone to murder her. flemythal herself says "the people bend their knee too quickly"

 

they had two sides but their dark sides are enough for me to think hell no stay in the mirror

[Maria13]

Hehe I love that we all have very different opinions on each of the Pantheon based off of the limited info we get in-game. Kind of mirrors the Dalish, no?

 

I'm actually more frightened by Ghilan'nain than almost any other god. All those fantastical monsters she created? She did it before she was a god, and they were so terrible Andruil offered her a place in the pantheon in exchange for their destruction. She's also known for being a recluse. One of my more disturbing theories involves her turning elven slaves into halla. 

 

http://dragonage.wik..._of_Ghilan'nain

 

So... a reclusive mad-scientist with god-powers? *shudders*

 

I call her Franken-Ghilly. 

 

Yes, I've been wondering about Franken-Ghilly ever since discovering yesterday that Sera (proto Andruil???) has a thing for Dagna...

 

DAGNA! You know the archanist, the maker of enhanced armour and weapons... The daughter of a dwarven armourer....

 

Uh, Dagna, could this be Ghilly, could all those creatures have been quasi artificial, like Branca and the anvil of the void... Could Ghilly have helped create the armour of the void worn by Andy, in the same way, but in reverse as Dagna destroys Samson's armour...

 

Oh dear...

[Meer]

Have you heard about our lord and saviour Falon'Din?

Do you know what I would do to his twin soul?
_{all the things is the answer, all the things}

[RynJ]

Perhaps I ought to have been more clear. What I referred to was not a question of guilt, but why the other person thought Fen'Harel could seal all or none of the gods. My argument was that I felt it wasn't guilt over sealing them all away (because it's highly likely they all deserved it) but that it was guilt over what happened to the Elvhen people after their gods were gone. I never intimated Solas didn't feel guilty, or should, or shouldn't.

 

No I got you. I meant that I kind of disagree and think he specifically feels guilty about locking them up and causing them pain, not just about how it affected elves though that's a huge part of it.

 

I think I'm in the "they were all dicks" camp tbh

 

I agree. That seems to be the way the story is heading, minus Solas and Mythal who was somewhat a victim, apparently. Maybe they weren't always, though. Maybe Solas feels guilty about locking them away to fester instead of finding a solution for what might have corrupted them.

[Solas]

So we're allowed to talk about the Pantheon now?

 

 

Have you heard about our lord and saviour Falon'Din?

the biggest dick of them all   

[Illyria]

So we're allowed to talk about the Pantheon now?

 

 

Have you heard about our lord and saviour Falon'Din?

 

I have.  He's a jerk.

 

And pantheon talk has always been welcome (since most it is linked to Solas in some way).  It's the pages and pages of glitter gifs that needed their own thread to contain the horror.

[Delphine]

Mythal seems...ok?  From what we know of her, at least she was willing to pass judgment on the People instead of having Elgar'nan burninate them all every time he threw a tantrum.  That's good, right?

 

I would love to think the same. I love Mythal/Flemeth, she kicks ass with style.

[Maria13]

"Other [stories] paint her as dark and vengeful.. 'pray to mythal and she would smite your enemies leaving them in agony'"

Solas says the oldest accounts say she was both this and the protective mother, and neither. 

 

besides that, she probably took part in the slavekeeping, and she did something that motivated someone to murder her. flemythal herself says "the people bend their knee too quickly"

 

they had two sides but their dark sides are enough for me to think hell no stay in the mirror

 

Morrigan talks too much...

[RoraM]

It is just idle speculation... Ghilly seems somewhat more inoffensive than some of the others, from what we hear in the Codex more of a victim than a victimiser... As to her destroying her creations being an inherently evil act... We just don't know... Perhaps it is that they were simply never meant to be...

 

Given that the Dalish got so much wrong (vallaslin!), perhaps relying upon the codices of the Elvhen pantheon is not ideal, but since it's the best we've got, let's run with it.  Did she destroy her monstrous creations at the behest of the the other gods, as legend states?  Did Pride (as in Solas) or personal pride stay her hand in destroying the creatures of the deep waters, who were so well-wrought?  If the codex is to be believed, then, no, destroying her creations was not inherently evil.  The entry implies that allowing them to run amok was the greater evil.

[Solas]

I love BW's writing however you look at it everything is so.. yeahhh   if she's bad:

 

either she's bad for making monsters and letting them run amok in the first place

or she's bad for destroying all of her creations

[nikki-tikki]

I have.  He's a jerk.

 

And pantheon talk has always been welcome (since most it is linked to Solas in some way).  It's the pages and pages of glitter gifs that needed their own thread to contain the horror.

 

 

 

[Maria13]

Given that the Dalish get so much wrong (vallaslin!), perhaps relying upon the codices of the Elvhen pantheon is not ideal, but since it's the best we've got, let's run with it.  Did she destroy her monstrous creations at the behest of the the other gods, as legend states?  Did Pride (as in Solas) or personal pride stay her hand in destroying the creatures of the deep waters, who were so well-wrought?  If the codex is to be believed, then, no, destroying her creations was not inherently evil.  The entry implies that allowing them to run amok was the greater evil.

 

So it was either a positive or a neutral act that she destroyed them... Perhaps the pantheon felt threatened by them and thereby a deal was struck. Lyndon B. Johnson said it was better to have your enemy inside the tent peeing out than outside peeing in...

[nikki-tikki]

the biggest dick of them all   

 

[Solas]

On this subject I've been doing some theorizing:

 

I see theories floating around that the ancient elven gods (or the ancient elven gods + the forgotten ones) are the old gods or connected etc. They're interesting and enjoyable to read especially the ones that put a lot of effort into matching up who would be who.

From something Solas said to me ingame the other day though I have decided that I don't subscribe to this theory. He said "nothing in the lore connects the old gods with my people" or something to that effect. He could of course be mistaken or skirting the question etc but I've decided to take him at his word on this. if one of the pantheon says they arent connected then well then.

[laurelinvanyar]

On this subject I've been doing some theorizing:

 

I see theories floating around that the ancient elven gods (or the ancient elven gods + the forgotten ones) are the old gods. They're interesting and enjoyable to read especially the ones that put a lot of effort into matching up who would be who.

From something Solas said to me ingame the other day though I have decided that I don't subscribe to this theory. He said "nothing in the lore connects the old gods with my people" or something to that effect. He could of course be mistaken or skirting the question etc but I've decided to take him at his word on this. if one of the pantheon says they arent connected then well then.

I agree with most of this. I don't believe the pantheon are the old gods (forgotten ones are a bit trickier, since we have so little info on them), but I do believe there is a connection, whatever Solas says. That particular line sounds like a herculean dodging effort to me. What that connection IS, I have no idea. I've been wracking my brains on it pretty much since I finished the game in November. 

[Maria13]

On this subject I've been doing some theorizing:

 

I see theories floating around that the ancient elven gods (or the ancient elven gods + the forgotten ones) are the old gods or connected etc. They're interesting and enjoyable to read especially the ones that put a lot of effort into matching up who would be who.

From something Solas said to me ingame the other day though I have decided that I don't subscribe to this theory. He said "nothing in the lore connects the old gods with my people" or something to that effect. He could of course be mistaken or skirting the question etc but I've decided to take him at his word on this. if one of the pantheon says they arent connected then well then.

 

But who are his people? This is far from clear, what does seem to be apparent is that Fen'Harel is not a founding member of the pantheon... He is not one of them rather an interloper or an addition like Ghilly...

[Illyria]

 

*shudders*

 

The horror.

[Nightspirit]

Maybe Solas sould have smuggled Cole to that secluded cove as a safety measure in case Lavellan reacted poorly to his confession. Then he could have panicked and yelled "Cole! Quickly, make her forget!!"

Of course if Cole were distracted at that precise moment, it would have been a little awkward.

[Solas]

I've also been thinking... Solas says he doesn't believe the ancient elven gods were gods, but maybe they were mages, or spirits or something we've never seen.

 

Taking the idea that they were all spirits (or spirits in some form, such as spirits joined with mortals like Anders and Justice) and running with it... 

 

I think it could go a long way to explaining the two sides most of the gods seem to have. Think about it. Spirits and demons. Demons are the corrupted aspect of a spirit.

 

You've got Fen'Harel, who is clearly Wisdom - Pride.

Then there's Mythal, who seems to be Justice - Vengeance.

Falon'Din... Purpose (see his purpose in guiding the dead, similar to how Solas says spirits of Purpose have helped him search the Fade) - Desire (see his adulation for worship).

 

Wisdom/Pride, Justice/Vengeance and Purpose/Desire are known corruptions. tho it should be noted gaider once said faith can also corrupt into pride.

 

Elgar'nan... [spirit] - Rage. The corruption of Valor perhaps?

 

and so on

 

See where I'm going here?