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Seriously. I thought it was really kind of poignant. I mean - yeah - the reason you go after her is super thin but other than that...sad. You're saying good bye. She was my Warden's bff.   I was sad for my warden.

 

I got to say goodbye to her at Denerim's gates though. To a small extent it cheapens the goodbye we shared there. It kind of felt like:

 

At Denerim: "Goodbye, love you, hugs, kisses, bye!"

A few years later: *chases after her with strangers*

At the creepy Broodmother nest: "Hi!...  Um... Bye again!"

 

I dunno, it was weird for me.


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Elgar'nan- command/rage?

Dirthamen - wisdom/despair -I know Solas' friend went Pride but it makes sense to me that knowledge can lead to despair plus it fits in nicely with his ravens Fear and Deceit. 

Sylaise-  compassion/fear -her role is caretaker healing, feeding, shelter etc but a lot of things can go wrong hence fear.

June- purpose/sloth - I know you used purpose already but he's such an industrial dwarf god and even on the wiki it say "the elves wandered the forests without purpose

Dammit, out of likes, have a heart!  <3

 

I totally forgot about the new demons introduced, Despair seems to work much better for Dirthamen!

 

 

They are not the antithesis of justice or valor, but rather of hope.

Seems to fit in well since he had hope that his brother would return to him and wouldn't leave him (so says he to the ravens.)

 

I do love the idea of June being sloth for some reason, it seems to be a very underused demon.  :P  Also, who says they each have to have one specific trait? I'm sure more than one thing can be twisted into something else.

 

This theory, I like it! *smashes glass* ANOTHER!


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It would make more sense in a "Wolf Hunt" DLC if we went to investigate something sketchy going on and found Solas at the heart of it or involved instead of specifically chasing after Solas. Though maybe we get some evidence that he's up to something weird and that's why we go to find him. That would give every Inquisitor a reason.

 

As for Witch Hunt, I guess something could be said for any Warden wanting to see what exactly was going on with her and her kid that has the soul of an Old God and could possibly be dangerous. But that's not really how it's presented during the DLC.


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If one's premise is that Solas is a liar and never tells the truth, then him saying, "No matter what comes, I want you to know what we had was real" (00:47) will not be evidence of his love and the only proof one will accept is that of his writer.

If, however, one holds the premise that Solas usually tells the truth, but omits vital information in the process, that makes his character less black and white and it would be safe to believe that he did care for the Inquisitor.


This is true.

I personally believe Solas does love my Lavellan. I believe he is honest about most things. But we don't know for sure. Its speculation either way. He lies. He may lie straight to your face or by omission but he still lies. Thats a fact. (At least according to how I was raised: that a lie is a lie is a lie).

We don't know the extent of his lies, and won't until his story is resolved. But who knows if he's even trustworthy now. He would lie both for the greater good and to protect. Can't trust a thing he says, really.

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Scenario #9: Solas and Lavellan rule the new Arlathan as King and Queen 8)

 

I may have spent way, way too much time and effort writing about this scenario as an AU.  *shameface*


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This is true.

I personally believe Solas does love my Lavellan. I believe he is honest about most things. But we don't know for sure. Its speculation either way. He lies. He may lie straight to your face or by omission but he still lies. Thats a fact. (At least according to how I was raised: that a lie is a lie is a lie).

We don't know the extent of his lies, and won't until his story is resolved. But who knows if he's even trustworthy now. He would lie both for the greater good and to protect. Can't trust a thing he says, really.

 

Eh, I trust most of it. Mostly because it's bad writing for him to have been lying about everything. He's supposed to be a source of new info, so most of what he says is probably true but purposefully vague in a lot of cases.


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Fen'Harel - wisdom/pride [obvious imo. this is a confirmed corruption]

Mythal - justice/vengeance [obvious imo. confirmed corruption]

Falon'din - purpose/desire [my best guess, see previous post for why. a confirmed corruption]

Andruil - survival/hunger [my best guess. hunting for survival, eventually hungered to hunt more challenging prey in the void, hunger-sacrifice link etc. a confirmed corruption]

 

note corruptions are not always linear; pride can also be a corruption of faith for example

 

we need to map the rest  :ph34r:

 

Elgar'nan [something/rage? we don't know what corrupts into rage. maybe valor]

Dirthamen ??

Sylaise ??

June ??

 

 

I would say Andruil survival-hunting/sadism-violence... 'Tis pretty freudian too, Freud theorises at some point that sadistic impulses can arise when the need to hunt  to survive goes into overdrive as the Codex very clearly tells us of Andruil: 

 

"One day Andruil grew tired of hunting mortal men and beasts. She began stalking The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss."


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i paid my 80$ for this tedious buggy dating simulator, i want my happy ending damn it


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i paid my 80$ for this tedious buggy dating simulator, i want my happy ending damn it

 

Okay, that made me laugh out loud, damnit. xD Take a like and a heart. <3


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i paid my 80$ for this tedious buggy dating simulator, i want my happy ending damn it

You played it wrong. you get the bad ending where the creepy, weird professor cuts off your head and puts it in a jar


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Anyone else remember the good old days of just wandering into game stores and picking out whatever game looked cool or the cashier recommended and going home that day and installing it on a disc and having a wonderful time?

Me, I remember getting this old strategy game in the store and my dad had to spend two weeks fiddling with the computer to get the darn game to work, and it turned out to be complete crap anyway.

Except for the fabulous hats the Portuguese soldiers wore. Or they might have been geese. I'm not too sure. They were those kinds of graphics.

I'm way too late to actually join the conversation, but I have such intensely fond memories of this era. In my case it was all floppy discs and DOS prompts (speaking of fiddling for weeks to get games to work), when the hot new releases were, like, some iteration of King's Quest and Ultima. Those are so old now, I practically saw them in the fade (fade = on topic).

 

Anyway, I'm sure this is the kind of nostalgia that would wear off in a split second if I had to go back, but there's something to be said for never being sure that you wouldn't walk into a store and unexpectedly find the best, most perfect game ever.


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More Art

 

I love his eyes

http://mistykat.devi...Solas-520649253

 

NSFW

http://mistykat.devi.../Once-520647976


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Have I ever told you guys the first time I heard the term "glamour toad," I thought we were talking about this guy:

Spoiler

but bedazzled.

 

Like this?

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Eh, I trust most of it. Mostly because it's bad writing for him to have been lying about everything. He's supposed to be a source of new info, so most of what he says is probably true but purposefully vague in a lot of cases.


I'm with you, really. I just argue against those who insist on Solas being this perfect specimen of awesome.

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Let's talk about a hypothetical scenario for a moment.

 

I sometimes see people saying they hope their Lavellans can help Solas with his plans. If his plans are indeed to release the rest of the elven "gods" (that's the assumption for the scenario).. can anyone in this position explain to me why they [their Lavellans] would do that? Is it for love? Releasing the gods seems like a terrible idea to me lol.

All my Lavellan's, through talking with Solas really start to get a sense of how much was lost and how desperate the situation is for the elves in Thedas, this is something that develops throughout the game.  So if what Solas is planning is ultimately for the greater good of the elven people they're likely to support that, because the status quo is not working for them and they will be truly lost forever if something doesn't change.

If Solas' plan involves restoring immortality and magic to elves it is something that goes against something that he holds dear, he'd be  going against their free will and imposing his own upon them without their knowledge or consent. but that doesn't mean that its not the right thing to do.  I don't think he's planning to release the gods, but he might be planning a one way trip to  wherever they are to achieve a goal, without enough power to ever return.

But did Solas break it off to "protect" Lavellan? That's the cliche crap you usually see that's supposed to be all noble and romantic, but what I took away from it was that he couldn't bring himself to tell her the truth for whatever reason - and then couldn't continue on with her while being dishonest. It was his choice to make, so good for him... but I don't get the "I left you to protect you" crap. He left her to stay true to himself and his goals.

I think he left to protect himself, not Lavellan, she was a weakness and a distraction.  He apologizes for distracting her, but really he's apologizing for letting her distract him...  DICK!  :crying:

Of course when he broke up with her, his plan involved the Orb and may not have involved leaving her like he did if it had survived.

Scenario #1: DA4 with new protagonist.  Solas dies alone (either killed by new protagonist, killed defending new protagonist, or self-sacrifice to save blah blah blah).  Lavellan doesn't know.  She's barely mentioned except in the final moments of his last breath.  Woo.

 

Scenario #2:  Solas dies in Lavellan's arms.  Either she had to kill him, he was killed by blah booty blah, or he did self-sacrifice.

 

Scenario #3:  Solas kills Lavellan for her mark in DLC or at the start of DA4.  New protagonist comes in and repeat Scenario #1.

 

Scenario #4:  Lavellan sacrifices herself for Solas.  She dies in his arms.  He like probably tries to send her spirit into the Fade or whatever so she can live on and he can eventually join her.

 

Scenario #5:  Lavellan and Solas die together.  How and why, no clue.  But they're dead.  At the same time.  Hoo yah no dying alone.

 

Scenario #6:  Lavellan saves Solas and together they go into Uthenera once their business is complete.

 

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:crying: NO  I need some more happy choices.... ya sicko!  :P

 

My one hope, regardless of how things turn out overall, is that Solas continues to exist. I can only speak for myself, but I find his potential story scope to be quite wide, extensive. Like Flemythal, he has existed in the mythos of these games/books, longer than just this single entry. To have him die (killed or otherwise), just seems...anticlimactic. A limited resource, when he could be more.

Not saying he will be, simply hoping.

B)

Agreed,  I think it would be lame to have the Dread Wolf get killed off after introducing him, and I just don't get why Lavellan being part of his world can't happen.  I've no care for them running off and having kids, but getting back together and working to restore the elven people would be grand  :D .  

We've had the sad chapter, now can I get the redemption and hope chapter please Mr Weekes.


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I'm way too late to actually join the conversation, but I have such intensely fond memories of this era. In my case it was all floppy discs and DOS prompts (speaking of fiddling for weeks to get games to work), when the hot new releases were, like, some iteration of King's Quest and Ultima. Those are so old now, I practically saw them in the fade (fade = on topic).

 

Anyway, I'm sure this is the kind of nostalgia that would wear off in a split second if I had to go back, but there's something to be said for never being sure that you wouldn't walk into a store and unexpectedly find the best, most perfect game ever.

This.  So many FMV games were found this way.  Titantic: Adventure out of time - http://en.wikipedia....ure_Out_of_Time

 

IS A GEM.  There will never be another of it's like....maybe for the best.  But I remember just grabbing it at the store and being 'why the hell not'. I love that game so much.


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I'm way too late to actually join the conversation, but I have such intensely fond memories of this era. In my case it was all floppy discs and DOS prompts (speaking of fiddling for weeks to get games to work), when the hot new releases were, like, some iteration of King's Quest and Ultima. Those are so old now, I practically saw them in the fade (fade = on topic).

 

Anyway, I'm sure this is the kind of nostalgia that would wear off in a split second if I had to go back, but there's something to be said for never being sure that you wouldn't walk into a store and unexpectedly find the best, most perfect game ever.

I actually played Gabriel Knight 1 and 2 again a few months ago.  Still fun times!!!  I bought all the King's Quest games and Guest for Glory games on GOG not too long ago, I haven't played them yet...but I suspect more fun times.  I remember going to Barnes and Noble back when they sold floppy disc games and buying them. So many lovely memories.  And all those old D&D games...heehe.. I never finished any of them..they were sooo hard!!


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I'm with you, really. I just argue against those who insist on Solas being this perfect specimen of awesome.

 

I don't think I've seen someone do that for a loooong time. It's all the rage to focus on Solas' real flaws or perceived flaws.  :lol:

 

Which is fine, because his flaws are what make him interesting!


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I don't think I've seen someone do that for a loooong time. It's all the rage to focus on Solas' flaws. :lol:

Which is fine, because his flaws are what make him interesting!

Hah, true. All the Solas=Husbandos got run out of the thread already. ;)

I just like to be contrary. Should have been a lawyer.
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This.  So many FMV games were found this way.  Titantic: Adventure out of time - http://en.wikipedia....ure_Out_of_Time

 

IS A GEM.  There will never be another of it's like....maybe for the best.  But I remember just grabbing it at the store and being 'why the hell not'. I love that game so much.

The way the characters moved though. 



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The way the characters moved though. 

SMETHELLS - U NO INSULT MY FMV HUSBANDO(I MISS HIM - I still have the discs...I CANNOT get them to work anymore though)

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SMETHELLS - U NO INSULT MY FMV HUSBANDO(I MISS HIM - I still have the discs...I CANNOT get them to work anymore though)

I STILL HAVE THEM TOO (also it's on Youtube, I know what I'm doing later.)



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i paid my 80$ for this tedious buggy dating simulator, i want my happy ending damn it

 

Solution: date Dorian Pavus.  Best Mage.



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Dammit, out of likes, have a heart!  <3
 
I totally forgot about the new demons introduced, Despair seems to work much better for Dirthamen!
 
Seems to fit in well since he had hope that his brother would return to him and wouldn't leave him (so says he to the ravens.)
 
I do love the idea of June being sloth for some reason, it seems to be a very underused demon.  :P  Also, who says they each have to have one specific trait? I'm sure more than one thing can be twisted into something else.
 
This theory, I like it! *smashes glass* ANOTHER!


The bolded also seems some what synergistic, when you consider what his high priest became. :whistle: (if you do the side quest map, for Dirthman's dungeon crawl ;) )