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[Solas]

 

 

 

Totally agreed. The only way I can make the "releasing the gods" theory make sense (to me), is if sealing the gods away meant also cutting off some special elfy power - whatever made them immortal, or gave their magic an edge, or protected the empire from external harm. In that case, I could imagine him having to risk unsealing them - maybe having to deal with them all over again - in order to un-hobble his people? I'm eager to see how it plays out, in any case.

 

Though I just realized that since the elves at the Well of Sorrows are immortal, it's apparently still available to some. Scratch that one, I guess.

 

 

I'm an amateur in a game best left to professionals, here, but I think this is really interesting. Maybe resolving the blight is actually a step (or the step) towards unlocking the gods/re-locking the gods/whatever he's trying to do. As opposed to the reverse, which is what I'd assumed was more likely.

 

I think that all the blighty things - the warden business (searching for the calling cure, etc.) and the red lyrium, and whatever's going on with the various pantheons of gods - will angle into the same broad plot stream, and pull everyone's various personal investments into the same story (from a writing perspective, to keep all the characters and their stories relevant - allow some to tie off, etc.). I always thought that the blight might have been a symptom of Solas's Great Matter - thus his general attitude to the wardens of "you morons don't even know what the real problem is" - but maybe it was actually the cause. I dunno.

 

I'm playing an Adaar for my canon #2 now, as well, and it makes all the possible Kossith stuff, like, ten times more exciting for me.

 

I do think it led to the cut-off of Super Special Elfy Powers. I suspect Solas didn't know this would happen and thought they could keep their SSEP while simultaneously freeing them from the gods' tyranny

[zambixi]

/snip/

 

I think that all the blighty things - the warden business (searching for the calling cure, etc.) and the red lyrium, and whatever's going on with the various pantheons of gods - will angle into the same broad plot stream, and pull everyone's various personal investments into the same story (from a writing perspective, to keep all the characters and their stories relevant - allow some to tie off, etc.). I always thought that the blight might have been a symptom of Solas's Great Matter - thus his general attitude to the wardens of "you morons don't even know what the real problem is" - but maybe it was actually the cause. I dunno.

 

I'm playing an Adaar for my canon #2 now, as well, and it makes all the possible Kossith stuff, like, ten times more exciting for me.

 

 

I'm torn... I don't think Solas would have done whatever it is he did - presumably sealing away the other gods - if there was another option. He says that he was impulsive, but my guess would be that sealing the gods away was the final solution to a problem that had escalated over some period of time. There isn't a lot that actually points to Solas as being responsible for the fall of Elvhenan - several characters imply that the true cause was the elvhen people themselves. Plus Mythal seemed to have things relatively under control, being able to take out both Falon'Din and Andruil at varying points in time. So it seems like there'd have to be something beyond "normal" political problems to make Solas put everyone in time-out.

 

But... maybe what is abnormal was just that they killed Mythal. And Solas does not seem to have the same understanding of the Blight/Red Lyrium as he does of normal magic, which makes me think that it might be something that didn't exist way back in the dark ages.

[Mims]

 

 

You made me think of a random-ass theory with that...

 

What if the vallaslin isn't just for marking slaves, but acts as a form of control collar with blood magic?  I'm thinking back to the weird artworks on the stone that I've seen and there is one that shows a row of elves all hunched over and having marked faces (IIRC).

 

Or it could be a reference to the Blight, no idea, just throwing out some random theories since that's all we have until Wolf Hunt...

 

 

I definitely think this is likely. Probably not to the extent that it would still be working on the Dalish, but I bet that Fenris's lyrium tattooing was a variation on practices already done in Arlathan to control people. 

[laurelinvanyar]

My best guess as to what Solas intends to do involves the Blight and/or the potential cure the HoF is also searching for (they're both headed west, after all). We also have some pretty good evidence that at least some of the Pantheon was blighted (Andruil certainly was, looking at the codexes), which could account for some of their more drastic actions (though I'm willing to chalk most of their awfulness to megalomania). 

 

It might fit. Solas needs a blight cure for the gods/people locked away. After all he did it "to save them" according to Cole. There's also the vision Tamlen had in Origins of the blighted city underground, which I'm fairly sure is blighted Arlathan. 

[Kestrel]

I finished the first chapter of the work I talked about earlier. I wanted to explore chronic illness in the context of Dragon Age, and also explore how it would change the relationship dynamic between Solas and Lavellan, both on a friendship and a romantic relationship level. Actually, hearing you guys talk about how the friendship with Solas works, how important it is, is really helping me develop ideas further down the line. 

 

Anyway, here: http://archiveofouro...hapters/7894152

[Cee]

I do think it led to the cut-off of Super Special Elfy Powers. I suspect Solas didn't know this would happen and thought they could keep their SSEP while simultaneously freeing them from the gods' tyranny

 

 

What part are we thinking the Veil played in all of this, then? Solas says things that imply he'd want to see it disappear (the consequences of which, he knows, would probably freak some people in the modern world out, but seems to hope a little bit that they'd learn). Was that likely part of his efforts that backfired and blocked the SSEP?

[MTC]

 

I do think it led to the cut-off of Super Special Elfy Powers. I suspect Solas didn't know this would happen and thought they could keep their SSEP while simultaneously freeing them from the gods' tyranny

This is totally off-topic - but you got the men's Solas shirt, right? How did that fit?

 

I'm torn... I don't think Solas would have done whatever it is he did - presumably sealing away the other gods - if there was another option. He says that he was impulsive, but my guess would be that sealing the gods away was the final solution to a problem that had escalated over some period of time. There isn't a lot that actually points to Solas as being responsible for the fall of Elvhenan - several characters imply that the true cause was the elvhen people themselves. Plus Mythal seemed to have things relatively under control, being able to take out both Falon'Din and Andruil at varying points in time. So it seems like there'd have to be something beyond "normal" political problems to make Solas put everyone in time-out.

 

But... maybe what is abnormal was just that they killed Mythal. And Solas does not seem to have the same understanding of the Blight/Red Lyrium as he does of normal magic, which makes me think that it might be something that didn't exist way back in the dark ages.

I certainly agree with you about his intentions likely being good, and his actions being carefully considered - though the circumstances might have rushed him into a decision, who knows. He seems genuine upset about the negative fallout of (what we assume were originally) his actions.

 

My best guess as to what Solas intends to do involves the Blight and/or the potential cure the HoF is also searching for (they're both headed west, after all). We also have some pretty good evidence that at least some of the Pantheon was blighted (Andruil certainly was, looking at the codexes), which could account for some of their more drastic actions (though I'm willing to chalk most of their awfulness to megalomania). 

 

It might fit. Solas needs a blight cure for the gods/people locked away. After all he did it "to save them" according to Cole. There's also the vision Tamlen had in Origins of the blighted city underground, which I'm fairly sure is blighted Arlathan. 

Oh, nice point about Tamlen. He caught the blight from the eluvian, too (I'd totally forgotten about that).

[phosphene]

tin foil hat time!

 

"We are trapped. The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep as they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been."

 

keiren asks why elves "want to look like that" (much like dorian asks cole why he wants to look like that) and abelas calls the dalish "shadows"

 

given solas's fixation on the fade and spirits, my crazy pet theory is that back in the day elves were spirits that could freely pass from the fade to the real world into a physical body like cole does

 

ergo why cole's existence has such a convoluted explanation, he was designed as proof of concept

 

so i do believe the veil cuts off elves from their super elfy powers, but only the ones "born here"

[Delphine]

This is totally off-topic - but you got the men's Solas shirt, right? How did that fit?

 

Well, I got a men's one as well, so I don't know about Solas, but it actually fits me just like I wanted it to. I took it mainly for long sleeves, but the rest was fitting nicely as well. I have a chubby body type, though, so not sure that's really helpful.

[zambixi]

What part are we thinking the Veil played in all of this, then? Solas says things that imply he'd want to see it disappear 9the consequences of which, he knows, would probably freak some people out, but seems to hope they'd learn, like the child and water example). Was that likely part of his efforts that backfired and blocked the SSEP?

 

The Veil is tricky for me, because it's been hard for me to nail down the concept of what it actually is. Solas and several others say that calling it a "barrier" is simplistic, but it can be "torn," and the codex entries in Skyhold say that it is "old" there, which implies that different areas of Thedas may have been Veiled at different periods of time.

 

Solas compares it to a state of nature, so maybe one could use a storm as a metaphor? Some places have frequent storms, some places never see storms. If you were to suddenly stop all the rain in Britain, you'd screw over that entire country because the society is built in such a way as to accommodate and utilize rain. IIRC, Solas says something about how the same sort of thing would occur if the Veil were to simply disappear. He'd like it to happen, but removing it would really screw over a lot of people and might not be of net benefit. He talks about walking "alone forever," so maybe he intends to slowly break down the Veil?

[MTC]

Well, I got a men's one as well, so I don't know about Solas, but it actually fit me just like I wanted it to. I took it mainly for long sleeves, but the rest was fitting nicely as well. I have a chubby body type, though, so not sure that's really helpful.

Thanks - long sleeves is even more incentive. I have a narrow (and super long) torso, myself, so I'm mainly hoping to find out if the men's sizes fit on the large side or the small side (I gather the women's sizes fit rather big).

[Mims]

I wish we had a clearer idea on when it was that the veil state we have currently became permanent. Various dialogues with Felassan and Solas suggest that it didn't exist back during Arlathan, but then we have artifacts that are said to strengthen the veil which come from Arlathan. 

[Solas]

It's ontopic imo, it is the Solas shirt after all!

 

I got the men's small. I have an average height and body type. It fit fine! I'm happy with it anyway. not too baggy not too tight

[MTC]

It's ontopic imo, it is the Solas shirt after all!

 

I got the men's small. I have an average height and body type. It fit fine! I'm happy with it anyway. not too baggy not too tight

That's true! And thanks, this is helpful.

[Delphine]

Thanks - long sleeves is even more incentive. I have a narrow (and super long) torso, myself, so I'm mainly hoping to find out if the men's sizes fit on the large side or the small side (I gather the women's sizes fit rather big).

 

I think men's sizes fit big as well, mine was very comfy and a tiny bit baggy, and I took my usual size.

[phosphene]

My best guess as to what Solas intends to do involves the Blight and/or the potential cure the HoF is also searching for (they're both headed west, after all). We also have some pretty good evidence that at least some of the Pantheon was blighted (Andruil certainly was, looking at the codexes), which could account for some of their more drastic actions (though I'm willing to chalk most of their awfulness to megalomania). 

 

It might fit. Solas needs a blight cure for the gods/people locked away. After all he did it "to save them" according to Cole. There's also the vision Tamlen had in Origins of the blighted city underground, which I'm fairly sure is blighted Arlathan. 

i love this!!

 

i kind of got that andruil and falon'din (and by association ghilan'nain and dirthamen) were the antagonists of the civil war

 

it would be super interesting if the blight wasn't punishment from the Maker but if the golden city really was arlathan and it was some kind of weapon or plague they unleashed and the magisters just happened to trip over it when they went to scavenge

 

 

the thing i never understood about the blight is what do the old gods get out of it?

is being tainted just the price they pay to be broken out of their prisons?

being tainted at all is weird in itself because if you finish the draconology quest and choose to allow frederic of serault to dissect dragon corpses you find out that dragons are at least partially immune to blight because their bodies form tumors around it

 

 

i wish i could find that line about the fake archdemon cory has, how he invested part of his being inside it and that he seeks to emulate the gods of old

so did all of the pantheon invest a bit of themselves into dragons? is that what the old gods are?

 

there are 9 elven gods and 7 dragon old gods

i just assume mythal didn't have one because she could turn into one and i guess fen'harel didn't because he's a special snowflake

 

there are also tons of references to this in the codex entries ("He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine", song to elgar'nan)

 

 

 

He talks about walking "alone forever," so maybe he intends to slowly break down the Veil?

ow, my heart

[Maria13]

 

given solas's fixation on the fade and spirits, my crazy pet theory is that back in the day elves were spirits that could freely pass from the fade to the real world into a physical body like cole does

 

ergo why cole's existence has such a convoluted explanation, he was designed as proof of concept

 

so i do believe the veil cuts off elves from their super elfy powers, but only the ones "born here"

 

And this recalls the break up scene... Solas's words to Lav "The veil is thin here... Don't you feel the tingling on your skin..."

 

Is he asking her whether it awakens her powers? Could it be some kind of test?

[laurelinvanyar]

The Veil is tricky for me, because it's been hard for me to nail down the concept of what it actually is. Solas and several others say that calling it a "barrier" is simplistic, but it can be "torn," and the codex entries in Skyhold say that it is "old" there, which implies that different areas of Thedas may have been Veiled at different periods of time.

If you'd like info on the Veil, I'd highly recommend reading this codex: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil

 

I swear to god, this snarky magister was probably Dorian's ancestor.

 

TL;DR version: The Veil is a change in visual/magical perception, not a magical barrier. There's no info on when or how the Veil came to be, but it seems pretty clear from Solas' dialogue that he might have experienced a world in which this change in perception was not necessary and the Fade was visible to anybody, a state of nature. 

 

As to how the Veil can be "torn", I have some ideas. A mage thins the Veil by casting magic aka twisting/weakening the perception of reality to the point that reality breaks down and the Fade can be perceived. Spirits could thin the Veil by clustering in places with strong emotions (battlegrounds and the like) and warping the perception of the Fade, which is essentially their reality. Only spirits and possibly Dreamers can shape the Fade. Even mages sent to the Fade with lyrium (such as during the Harrowing) can't shape the Fade. 

[Solas]

yavana speaks of a time before the veil

[Maria13]

i love this!!

 

i kind of got that andruil and falon'din (and by association ghilan'nain and dirthamen) were the antagonists of the civil war

 

it would be super interesting if the blight wasn't punishment from the Maker but if the golden city really was arlathan and it was some kind of weapon or plague they unleashed and the magisters just happened to trip over it when they went to scavenge

 

 

the thing i never understood about the blight is what do the old gods get out of it?

is being tainted just the price they pay to be broken out of their prisons?

being tainted at all is weird in itself because if you finish the draconology quest and choose to allow frederic of serault to dissect dragon corpses you find out that dragons are at least partially immune to blight because their bodies form tumors around it

 

 

i wish i could find that line about the fake archdemon cory has, how he invested part of his being inside it and that he seeks to emulate the gods of old

so did all of the pantheon invest a bit of themselves into dragons? is that what the old gods are?

 

there are 9 elven gods and 7 dragon old gods

i just assume mythal didn't have one because she could turn into one and i guess fen'harel didn't because he's a special snowflake

 

I believe he is either an old god, who existed before the pantheon came into power, or a creature created either by Mythal or for Mythal by Ghilan'nain who exceeded all expectations... I.e. "something completely different."

[zambixi]

If you'd like info on the Veil, I'd highly recommend reading this codex: http://dragonage.wik...entry:_The_Veil

 

I swear to god, this snarky magister was probably Dorian's ancestor.

 

TL;DR version: The Veil is a change in visual/magical perception, not a magical barrier. There's no info on when or how the Veil came to be, but it seems pretty clear from Solas' dialogue that he might have experienced a world in which this change in perception was not necessary and the Fade was visible to anybody, a state of nature. 

 

As to how the Veil can be "torn", I have some ideas. A mage thins the Veil by casting magic aka twisting/weakening the perception of reality to the point that reality breaks down and the Fade can be perceived. Spirits could thin the Veil by clustering in places with strong emotions (battlegrounds and the like) and warping the perception of the Fade, which is essentially their reality. Only spirits and possibly Dreamers can shape the Fade. Even mages sent to the Fade with lyrium (such as during the Harrowing) can't shape the Fade. 

 

I know what leads to it being torn, my "how" was more... how can something that is not a physical thing be physically altered? If the Fade and the Mundane world are simply different modes of perception, then why can one physically walk in the Fade? Calling the Veil a curtain seems simplistic, but so too does saying one need simply to "open their eyes". Clearly the Fade exists as some separate plane of being, and one cannot travel freely between the Fade/Mundane without doing something which physically alters the Veil. The Inquisitor's perception doesn't change at all when they receive the mark, yet they are able to enter the Fade. Solas seems to have a great understanding of the Veil, and yet he's trapped in boring-land.

 

Meanwhile...Mythal seems to go wherever the heck she wants because screw you she's Mythal xD

 

It makes my head hurt.

[NeverlandHunter]

Heeelllooooo Solas forum! It's been many moons since I've last journeyed here. Well, not really, but it feels that way waiting for future content. But a little bird, known as the internet, has informed me that BioWare is working on DLC for Inquisition and I came here wondering if we have any idea or rumors that could possibly be true on what it will be about (SolasSolasSolasSolasSolaspleaaaaase). Or if there's any other Solas related news to be shared! I flipped back a few pages and it seems like the topics are very similar to what they were two months ago, but maybe there's some new theories circulating?

Anywho, it's lovely to be back, I hope everyone's having a wonderful first day of spring (it decided to snow where I am).

[zambixi]

Heeelllooooo Solas forum! It's been many moons since I've last journeyed here. Well, not really, but it feels that way waiting for future content. But a little bird, known as the internet, has informed me that BioWare is working on DLC for Inquisition and I came here wondering if we have any idea or rumors that could possibly be true on what it will be about (SolasSolasSolasSolasSolaspleaaaaase). Or if there's any other Solas related news to be shared! I flipped back a few pages and it seems like the topics are very similar to what they were two months ago, but maybe there's some new theories circulating?

Anywho, it's lovely to be back, I hope everyone's having a wonderful first day of spring (it decided to snow where I am).

 

It snowed here too! It was so warm the past few days too, so it was a bit depressing...

 

I read somewhere that the post-credit scene will be dealt with "sooner rather than later," but I am 90% certain that was something the interviewer concluded and not a direct quote from Bioware.

[laurelinvanyar]

it would be super interesting if the blight wasn't punishment from the Maker but if the golden city really was arlathan and it was some kind of weapon or plague they unleashed and the magisters just happened to trip over it when they went to scavenge

 

the thing i never understood about the blight is what do the old gods get out of it?

is being tainted just the price they pay to be broken out of their prisons?

being tainted at all is weird in itself because if you finish the draconology quest and choose to allow frederic of serault to dissect dragon corpses you find out that dragons are at least partially immune to blight because their bodies form tumors around it

 

i wish i could find that line about the fake archdemon cory has, how he invested part of his being inside it and that he seeks to emulate the gods of old

so did all of the pantheon invest a bit of themselves into dragons? is that what the old gods are?

 

there are 9 elven gods and 7 dragon old gods

i just assume mythal didn't have one because she could turn into one and i guess fen'harel didn't because he's a special snowflake

 

there are also tons of references to this in the codex entries ("He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine", song to elgar'nan)

I have a lot to say about this post, because this is a great post. 

 

1. I'm really on the train of thought that the Black City was blighted before the magisters got there. Corypheus seems pretty certain even in his confusion, and the only dissenting opinion comes from chantry fables, which I don't consider an accurate  source of info. (Sorry Mother Giselle, but we have an eyewitness). There's also the fact that the Black City is the only constant in the Fade, a place were everything is constantly shifting. According to Avernus, the blight is unknown and foreign to demons. I have an extremely tin-foily theory that the Black City is the reflection of Arlathan (which is blighted and underground) in the Fade, which is kept stable by all the blighted Dreamers still trapped in the real Arlathan. 

 

2. I'm in total agreement with you that the Old God Dragons are not in control of the Blight. There's clearly something driving the hivemind, but I don't think it's the Old Gods. The Old Gods are clearly something other than regular dragons, and are certainly connected to the Pantheon in some way, but I can't say what they are or how they are connected. 

 

3. There are 9 elven gods and 8 old gods, if the codex on the constellation Draconis is to be believed. 

http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Draconis

I've tried matching up the old gods/pantheon with the constellations with no luck, since a lot of them make no sense/overlap. I'd love to see what other people make of it. 

[Mims]

There was a theory a while back that the dwarves might have had something to do with infecting Arlathan/Andruil. Which would be interesting. The void is the only known origin point for the blight, and the dwarves have several references that imply a connection to it. The dwarves are also the only race that doesn't have a possible origin point with the elves, and even if they didn't occupy the same space, they appear to have been rival empires. 

 

Alternatively, it could be that the elven gods were losing power [due to not actually being gods], and they started to fiddle around with dangerous magics.

 

Or, the blight/red lyrium is just a naturally occurring byproduct of magic, and infects Thedas almost like a sickness.