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[zambixi]

I have a lot to say about this post, because this is a great post. 

 

1. I'm really on the train of thought that the Black City was blighted before the magisters got there. Corypheus seems pretty certain even in his confusion, and the only dissenting opinion comes from chantry fables, which I don't consider an accurate  source of info. (Sorry Mother Giselle, but we have an eyewitness). There's also the fact that the Black City is the only constant in the Fade, a place were everything is constantly shifting. According to Avernus, the blight is unknown and foreign to demons. I have an extremely tin-foily theory that the Black City is the reflection of Arlathan (which is blighted and underground) in the Fade, which is kept stable by all the blighted Dreamers still trapped in the real Arlathan. 

 

2. I'm in total agreement with you that the Old God Dragons are not in control of the Blight. There's clearly something driving the hivemind, but I don't think it's the Old Gods. The Old Gods are clearly something other than regular dragons, and are certainly connected to the Pantheon in some way, but I can't say what they are or how they are connected. 

 

3. There are 9 elven gods and 8 old gods, if the codex on the constellation Draconis is to be believed. 

http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Draconis

I've tried matching up the old gods/pantheon with the constellations with no luck, since a lot of them make no sense/overlap. I'd love to see what other people make of it. 

 

I never thought that the Dreamers might be the ones making the Fade but... that's a really cool theory! I still don't understand how the Fade could then be a physical place but... ugh...

 

Regarding the blight... I think it's mentioned somewhere that the Old Gods are not blighted, just sleeping. They're only infected with the blight after the darkspawn find them. The darkspawn are drawn to the OGs because they have an absolutely beautiful song, so that's what's driving them. Once the OGs are blighted, they have a more conscious control over them and hence why they get a bit more organized.

 

 

 

There was a theory a while back that the dwarves might have had something to do with infecting Arlathan/Andruil. Which would be interesting. The void is the only known origin point for the blight, and the dwarves have several references that imply a connection to it. The dwarves are also the only race that doesn't have a possible origin point with the elves, and even if they didn't occupy the same space, they appear to have been rival empires. 

 

Alternatively, it could be that the elven gods were losing power [due to not actually being gods], and they started to fiddle around with dangerous magics.

 

Or, the blight/red lyrium is just a naturally occurring byproduct of magic, and infects Thedas almost like a sickness. 

 

Could you help me with the dwarf/elf relationship? There's a quote from Felassan saying that there weren't any dwarves during the time or Elvhenan, but there were totally dwarves before Tevinter invaded. And apparently an entire religion that was lost at some point long before the dwarves started keeping records (latest time being the Tevinter invasion). So...where did the dwarves come from? Where they always chillin' out with the elves?

[phosphene]

There was a theory a while back that the dwarves might have had something to do with infecting Arlathan/Andruil. Which would be interesting. The void is the only known origin point for the blight, and the dwarves have several references that imply a connection to it. The dwarves are also the only race that doesn't have a possible origin point with the elves, and even if they didn't occupy the same space, they appear to have been rival empires.

"In this place we prepare to hunt the pillars of the Earth. Their workers scurry, witless, soulless. This death will be a mercy. We will make the earth blossom with their passing."

 

omg yessssssss i love this theory

[laurelinvanyar]

I know what leads to it being torn, my "how" was more... how can something that is not a physical thing be physically altered? If the Fade and the Mundane world are simply different modes of perception, then why can one physically walk in the Fade? Calling the Veil a curtain seems simplistic, but so too does saying one need simply to "open their eyes". Clearly the Fade exists as some separate plane of being, and one cannot travel freely between the Fade/Mundane without doing something which physically alters the Veil. The Inquisitor's perception doesn't change at all when they receive the mark, yet they are able to enter the Fade. Solas seems to have a great understanding of the Veil, and yet he's trapped in boring-land.

 

Meanwhile...Mythal seems to go wherever the heck she wants because screw you she's Mythal xD

 

It makes my head hurt.

Sorry, I'll try to be more clear. 

 

Changing the ease of perception is altering the Veil. When a mage casts a spell, they are altering how a person perceives reality. The word "torn" is used, but it's not a physical tearing. 

 

A mage can't just up and see the Fade while awake though. It's not a matter of "opening your eyes" because that shift in perception can't be done without being asleep normally. I agree with you that the Fade and the Waking World are different realities, I would just argue that they are different realities that share the same plane of existence. They overlap. As to how one walks the Fade, if a person is able to perceive only the Fade and not the mundane world, they are essentially doing the opposite of the normal state of nature for mortals (usually, a person can only perceive the mundane world and not the Fade). 

 

Did you ever play through Golems of Amgarrak? Remember those little platforms you stepped on that sent you into the Fade? They essentially just flipped your perception back and forth. 

[laurelinvanyar]

Regarding the blight... I think it's mentioned somewhere that the Old Gods are not blighted, just sleeping. They're only infected with the blight after the darkspawn find them. The darkspawn are drawn to the OGs because they have an absolutely beautiful song, so that's what's driving them. Once the OGs are blighted, they have a more conscious control over them and hence why they get a bit more organized.

I'm not sure that, once Blighted, the Archdemons aren't also being driven by the blight. It could be the blight itself drives them to the surface. I guess to me, being in control of darkspawn doesn't necessarily mean they are also in control of the blight. 

[nikki-tikki]

Heeelllooooo Solas forum! It's been many moons since I've last journeyed here. Well, not really, but it feels that way waiting for future content. But a little bird, known as the internet, has informed me that BioWare is working on DLC for Inquisition and I came here wondering if we have any idea or rumors that could possibly be true on what it will be about (SolasSolasSolasSolasSolaspleaaaaase). Or if there's any other Solas related news to be shared! I flipped back a few pages and it seems like the topics are very similar to what they were two months ago, but maybe there's some new theories circulating?

Anywho, it's lovely to be back, I hope everyone's having a wonderful first day of spring (it decided to snow where I am).

 

They mentioned something about continuing the scene after the credits. 

[NeverlandHunter]

It snowed here too! It was so warm the past few days too, so it was a bit depressing...
 
I read somewhere that the post-credit scene will be dealt with "sooner rather than later," but I am 90% certain that was something the interviewer concluded and not a direct quote from Bioware.

Ahhhh! That makes me so happy!! Sooners are sooo much better than laters! You darn laterers, what are you doing with yourselves? Torturing fans, that's what.

*continues reading what you wrote*

Not a direct quote from BioWare? :'( Noooooo! This is what I get for not reading through first!!

My hopes and dreams have been destroyed.

Would you perchance have a link to the interview friend?

On the subject of the weather. Mother nature also decided to flaunt spring and warm weather in front of my face and then pull it away and snow on me.

[Maria13]

 

3. There are 9 elven gods and 8 old gods, if the codex on the constellation Draconis is to be believed. 

http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Draconis

I've tried matching up the old gods/pantheon with the constellations with no luck, since a lot of them make no sense/overlap. I'd love to see what other people make of it. 

 

Hmmm... We are told Ghilan'nain failed to destroy all the creatures she placed in the ocean because Pride stayed her hand... Perhaps Draconis is actually the sea serpent that survived that particular holocaust...

[phosphene]

I have a lot to say about this post, because this is a great post. 

 

1. I'm really on the train of thought that the Black City was blighted before the magisters got there. Corypheus seems pretty certain even in his confusion, and the only dissenting opinion comes from chantry fables, which I don't consider an accurate  source of info. (Sorry Mother Giselle, but we have an eyewitness). There's also the fact that the Black City is the only constant in the Fade, a place were everything is constantly shifting. According to Avernus, the blight is unknown and foreign to demons. I have an extremely tin-foily theory that the Black City is the reflection of Arlathan (which is blighted and underground) in the Fade, which is kept stable by all the blighted Dreamers still trapped in the real Arlathan. 

 

2. I'm in total agreement with you that the Old God Dragons are not in control of the Blight. There's clearly something driving the hivemind, but I don't think it's the Old Gods. The Old Gods are clearly something other than regular dragons, and are certainly connected to the Pantheon in some way, but I can't say what they are or how they are connected. 

 

3. There are 9 elven gods and 8 old gods, if the codex on the constellation Draconis is to be believed. 

http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Draconis

I've tried matching up the old gods/pantheon with the constellations with no luck, since a lot of them make no sense/overlap. I'd love to see what other people make of it. 

 

1. where do i sign a petition to get you hired into BW's writing pit because that's like a thousand times more interesting

 

2. the old gods are also said to have been the ones who told the magisters to breach the golden city, freeing the blight in the first place

and then again, they mind control the darkspawn to come and taint them, which i assume is deliberate because as i previously mentioned, dragons are at least partially immune

i don't know if the urge to go to the surface and kill every living thing is their ultimate goal or just the blight's "hivemind"

 

but it seems like an awful lot of pushing from the old gods to deliberately become blighted

 

orchestrating the blights took centuries, and to do what? just to go on one last killing spree on the surface before they're killed off?

 

3. *shrug* maybe that's mythal? she turned into a big serpent to fight andruil once

 

Could you help me with the dwarf/elf relationship? There's a quote from Felassan saying that there weren't any dwarves during the time or Elvhenan, but there were totally dwarves before Tevinter invaded. And apparently an entire religion that was lost at some point long before the dwarves started keeping records (latest time being the Tevinter invasion). So...where did the dwarves come from? Where they always chillin' out with the elves?

 

i actually forgot about that, the whole arlathan time line is pretty fuzzy to me

 

i just assume they were there, underground and minding their own business

[laurelinvanyar]

tin foil hat time!

keiren asks why elves "want to look like that" (much like dorian asks cole why he wants to look like that) and abelas calls the dalish "shadows"

 

given solas's fixation on the fade and spirits, my crazy pet theory is that back in the day elves were spirits that could freely pass from the fade to the real world into a physical body like cole does

 

ergo why cole's existence has such a convoluted explanation, he was designed as proof of concept

 

so i do believe the veil cuts off elves from their super elfy powers, but only the ones "born here"

I have a crazy pet theory that matches yours.

 

It would explain why all ancient elves were mages (the spirits would want to be able to alter reality in the mundane world the way they can in the Fade), and why modern elves (the offspring of those spirits that interbred) have a greater connection to the Fade and make the best blood magic sacrifices. 

 

It might also explain the quickening. Before humans (mortals) showed up, the elves didn't know that natural lifespans existed. They had death due to violence, which is essentially an artificial shortening of their lifespan, but no concept of "When I get X number of years old I die". Death might be essentially something they "learned" from humans. 

 

This is me on lore right now:

Spoiler

[Taelaa]

hella important commentary tbh sometimes i feel like subsets of the solas fandom lose sight of this stuff

 

Shout it from the rooftop. This is one of the things I love so much about the romance.

[zambixi]

Sorry, I'll try to be more clear. 

 

Changing the ease of perception is altering the Veil. When a mage casts a spell, they are altering how a person perceives reality. The word "torn" is used, but it's not a physical tearing. 

 

A mage can't just up and see the Fade while awake though. It's not a matter of "opening your eyes" because that shift in perception can't be done without being asleep normally. I agree with you that the Fade and the Waking World are different realities, I would just argue that they are different realities that share the same plane of existence. They overlap. As to how one walks the Fade, if a person is able to perceive only the Fade and not the mundane world, they are essentially doing the opposite of the normal state of nature for mortals (usually, a person can only perceive the mundane world and not the Fade). 

 

Did you ever play through Golems of Amgarrak? Remember those little platforms you stepped on that sent you into the Fade? They essentially just flipped your perception back and forth. 

 

Ah this helps SO MUCH. It still confuses me a little, but this makes it a whole bunch more clear.

 

I'm not sure that, once Blighted, the Archdemons aren't also being driven by the blight. It could be the blight itself drives them to the surface. I guess to me, being in control of darkspawn doesn't necessarily mean they are also in control of the blight. 

 

Sorry, by "them" I meant the darkspawn, not the Blight itself. The Archdemon directs the hoarde after they're infected, though whether the Blight controls the Archdemon.....???

 

It is mentioned in the Last Flight that Archdemons can wield Blight Magic, but that could really support either argument.

 

 

Ahhhh! That makes me so happy!! Sooners are sooo much better than laters! You darn laterers, what are you doing with yourselves? Torturing fans, that's what.

*continues reading what you wrote*

Not a direct quote from BioWare? :'( Noooooo! This is what I get for not reading through first!!

My hopes and dreams have been destroyed.

Would you perchance have a link to the interview friend?

On the subject of the weather. Mother nature also decided to flaunt spring and warm weather in front of my face and then pull it away and snow on me.

I can't find that specific article, but there is this one:

http://www.vcpost.co...story-based.htm

 

The big quote being the part about "one specific character," which suggests Solas to me. I am biased, but... no other character has massive dangling plot lines so...

[phosphene]

They mentioned something about continuing the scene after the credits. 

 

I read somewhere that the post-credit scene will be dealt with "sooner rather than later," but I am 90% certain that was something the interviewer concluded and not a direct quote from Bioware.

 

 

i want to believe but am prepared to receive nothing but crushing dissappointment

[Mims]

Could you help me with the dwarf/elf relationship? There's a quote from Felassan saying that there weren't any dwarves during the time or Elvhenan, but there were totally dwarves before Tevinter invaded. And apparently an entire religion that was lost at some point long before the dwarves started keeping records (latest time being the Tevinter invasion). So...where did the dwarves come from? Where they always chillin' out with the elves?

 

A lot of ancient dwarf lore is a bit vague. But I'm pretty sure that Felassan is either lying, or does not consider the current dwarves the same dwarves of ancient time when he says that. Because there's a lot of evidence that dwarves and the elvhen did have contact. Solas speaks about the ancient dwarves and what they once were capable of. Elves of Arlathan were sheltered by some dwarves during its fall.

 

According to worlds of Thedas, the elvhen made contact with dwarves around 4600~. That's a thousand or so years before humans ever entered the picture. Plenty of time for Solas to have known them, and for a rivalry to have sparked between the two groups if it happened.

 

Tinfoil hat thought! The dwarves of Cadash attempted to protect elves from Tevinter. Then the dwarves of Kal'Sharok swept in and killed everyone. All so that their alliance with Tevinter wouldn't be tarnished? That seems a bit of a SEVERE response for such a basic political problem. They could have just sent them back as slaves. Or threatened their people to turn them out. What if the entire group was killed because the dwarves of Kal'Sharok knew of the blight, and knew there was a slight chance that the elves from Arlathan might have carried it back with them? 

 

/removes tinfoil hat. 

[Armdin]

I can't keep up with you guys with your long-ass paragraphs and the pages still moving so quickly, so I'm just going to ask here and pray it's not been discussed already, but do we know/suspect if there's a connection in terms of timeline between the fall of Arlathan and the Magisters attempting to reach the Golden City?

 

So, something along the lines of:

> Pantheon sealed away. Fen'Harel takes a nap.

> Infighting, infighting, infighting. Arlathan's crumbling!

> In come Tevinter to clean up the place/bury it.

> "Oh, hang on, there's these real powerful beings sealed away, shall we have a look?"

> Sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. OPEN SESAME!

> Magisters: "Let's take a looksie... O Maker, what are those?"

> Pantheon infected by the T-Virus Blight bite Magisters.

> Corypheus makes it out, only survivor?

> Cory: "Ah, sh*t I'm blighted."

 

I dunno, I'm drunk.

[Mims]

Unfortunately it does not seem likely that the chain of events was that immediate. Arlathan is sunk into the ground at around 220. Magisters breech the Black City around year 800. So that's about 580 years between the two events, and there's no evidence that many immortals remained around this time. 

 

However! Some random notations/thoughts. 

 

- There were cults to the elven gods during the time of Tevinter. 

- Tevinter grew in power due to the addition of elven slaves.

- Elven blood seems to have an unusual property to it. A record from a slave of Corypheus notes that he is an elf. Very likely that many of those sacrificed to get to the Black City were elves.  Reread the codex entry. ALL of them were elven slaves. 

 

Corypheus told me to gather all of the elven servants and bring them to the western hall of our home at midnight. That is the hall where the Claw of Dumat is now kept. There are shackles across the top of the great altar, and pools lined with runes beneath the claws.

 

- Tevinter studied Arlathan technology and magic extensively.

 

- We have no idea how the ancients of Tevinter recognized the blighted archdemons as the old gods. 

- The Architect also made it out, so it is yet to be seen how many magisters still might be around. 

[Armdin]

Unfortunately it does not seem likely that the chain of events was that immediate. Arlathan is sunk into the ground at around 220. Magisters breech the Black City around year 800. So that's about 580 years between the two events, and there's no evidence that many immortals remained around this time. 

 

However! Some random notations/thoughts. 

 

- There were cults to the elven gods during the time of Tevinter. 

- Tevinter grew in power due to the addition of elven slaves.

- Elven blood seems to have an unusual property to it. A record from a slave of Corypheus notes that he is an elf. Very likely that many of those sacrificed to get to the Black City were elves. 

- Tevinter studied Arlathan technology and magic extensively.

 

- We have no idea how the ancients of Tevinter recognized the blighted archdemons as the old gods. 

- The Architect also made it out, so it is yet to be seen how many magisters still might be around. 

 

The timeline might not be as immediate as I thought, but it could still work? So the Magisters come in a lot later, perhaps drawn in by some records kept from around Arlathan's fall. Tevinter must still know where it's buried. I hope we get to visit it soon. ^^

 

Is the Architect a Magister? I got the impression from Awakening that he was quite recent, like in or around the same time as the Fifth Blight? I probably missed something, I was barely paying any attention at that point, I just wanted to get onto DA2. xD

[Hellion Rex]

I'm so sorry.

[Armdin]

I'm so sorry.

Spoiler

 

No you're not.

[Mims]

The timeline might not be as immediate as I thought, but it could still work? So the Magisters come in a lot later, perhaps drawn in by some records kept from around Arlathan's fall. Tevinter must still know where it's buried. I hope we get to visit it soon. ^^

 

Is the Architect a Magister? I got the impression from Awakening that he was quite recent, like in or around the same time as the Fifth Blight? I probably missed something, I was barely paying any attention at that point, I just wanted to get onto DA2. xD

 

It could still work! Just probably not a direct continuation of events. We don't know what forms of elven research the magisters came across. It could be that in researching elven artifacts, the elven gods found a way to communicate by pretending to be the voices of the gods of Tevinter. 

 

As for the Architect. He's basically been "confirmed" as a Magister. Sort of. When asked, Gaider said he was 'the same type of character as Corypheus'. Take that as you will. Seems logical though. 

[Armdin]

It could still work! Just probably not a direct continuation of events. We don't know what forms of elven research the magisters came across. It could be that in researching elven artifacts, the elven gods found a way to communicate by pretending to be the voices of the gods of Tevinter. 

 

As for the Architect. He's basically been "confirmed" as a Magister. Sort of. When asked, Gaider said he was 'the same type of character as Corypheus'. Take that as you will. Seems logical though. 

 

Ooh, I like that!

 

Ah... I almost feel bad for letting him - *remembers Mother* - no, no I don't feel bad. I made a good choice. Good choice!

[Mims]

I love the Architect. He's either going to be our ace in the hole or a potential nightmare. I really hope we'll see more of the intelligent Darkspawn plotline in the future!

 

Would have also been interesting to see what would have happened if Solas had given his orb to the Architect, rather than Corypheus. Architect probably wouldn't have blown a hole in the sky. 

[laurelinvanyar]

Would have also been interesting to see what would have happened if Solas had given his orb to the Architect, rather than Corypheus. Architect probably wouldn't have blown a hole in the sky. 

There would have been no inquisition plot b/c the Architect is awesome and would have helped Solas out and there would have been world peace and rainbows and fluffy bunnies and and and.....

 

[NightSymphony]

Lots of art all of a sudden

 

You need to make this bigger to see him

http://warrior--drag...-safe-521470026

 

This looks familiar..did someone here draw it?

http://gummiberri.de...Solas-521468741

 

Updated

http://morrigaincrow...as-II-521466377

 

Solas and Lavellan ...I dunno..NSFW I guess

http://ladytheirin.d...ellan-521462284

 

Awww Chibi Solas

http://kiorria.devia...Solas-521430772

 

Yeah Solas...have you forgotten that dwarves can not dream?!!

http://shinga.devian...Haven-521405023

[KarateKats]

Just because.

[DarthEmpress]

Did you guys see how excellent Solas' facial bone structure is in this pic?