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LOL, I loved Kreia, and KOTOR 2.  But it's definitely not for everyone.  It takes the Star Wars universe's simplistic light/dark morality, turns it inside out, then takes it to its horrific logical conclusion.  Pretty much impossible to come out of that one unscathed.

 

So far PoE's been a lot less twisted.  But I'm also not very far into the game yet, and knowing Obsidian and Chris Avellone, it's gonna get twisted sooner or later.

 

Well, that's fine, and I like exploring gray areas in general, but it could've done that without creating a character who is so openly manipulative and lying and hurting people you care about. It became a wait for the other shoe to drop.

 

My boyfriend loves her and that game too, and I wanted to bring up Solas as a contrast to Kreia during a recent discussion, but he hasn't finished Inquisition yet. Sigh.

 

Whereas Solas was definitely hiding his identity and using a guiding hand in certain ways, the treatment is just wildly different, and thus I wasn't waiting for his and nor did I feel completely used, lied to, manipulated, and like a pawn afterward. It's utterly important that he rarely ever directly lies.

 

Kreia is barely concealing anything and I'm not sure if it was confined to the restored content mod or not, but the way she has her little cutscenes where she's doing her own thing, like torturing and blackmailing Atton....ugh, no.


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LOL, I loved Kreia, and KOTOR 2.  But it's definitely not for everyone.  It takes the Star Wars universe's simplistic light/dark morality, turns it inside out, then takes it to its horrific logical conclusion.  Pretty much impossible to come out of that one unscathed.

 

So far PoE's been a lot less twisted.  But I'm also not very far into the game yet, and knowing Obsidian and Chris Avellone, it's gonna get twisted sooner or later.

 

I really loved Kreia with her little grey pigtails... she made that game.


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Art time

 

hehee..this one made me giggle

http://odme1.deviant...lease-522854214

 

Solas and Lavellan Dancing

http://migewii.devia...ellan-522881642

 

Pride

http://eertapupatree...ought-522883119

 

hehehe..this one also made me giggle. Poor Egghead

http://tapihikoca.de...rrors-522870031

 

Not Solas...but oh my goodness this is adorable.  I want a white fox for my Lavellan!!

http://sia-g.deviant...aLara-522831073


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Dude! We keep bumping into each other today... How is PoE... I ordered it yesterday. Hoping to take it away with me on hols to play on my laptop.

 

Under spoiler for size.

Spoiler

 

Solas by aimo, http://www.deviantar...Solas-520501077 the image on my shirt which arrived today...

So I feel  bad, Maria. I PROMISED YOU THOUGHTS. MY THOUGHTS.  We got to theorizing and then I played more DLC.  Ok, so tonight I will seriously dig into it. I made a moon godlike and the character creator is wonderful and easy. You know how BG was - could be really overwhelming - it is much less so. which is great.  the chanter looks awesome but i haven't had a chance to combat. i saved right before you we start adventuring.   

 

i think it would be lightweight(in terms of processing power) to take on your holiday.  i would definitely do it, if it works.  people are going nuts over it and every place i trust regarding reviews LOVES it.



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Oh Kreia...I never liked her. In fact..I didn't really enjoy KOTOR2 as much as the first one. I couldn't get into the game and the characters..meh.

 

But Carth in KOTOR...  :wub:


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Art time

 

hehee..this one made me giggle

http://odme1.deviant...lease-522854214

 

Solas and Lavellan Dancing

http://migewii.devia...ellan-522881642

 

Pride

http://eertapupatree...ought-522883119

 

hehehe..this one also made me giggle. Poor Egghead

http://tapihikoca.de...rrors-522870031

 

Not Solas...but oh my goodness this is adorable.  I want a white fox for my Lavellan!!

http://sia-g.deviant...aLara-522831073

 

These are full of adorable. :D


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Well, that's fine, and I like exploring gray areas in general, but it could've done that without creating a character who is so openly manipulative and lying and hurting people you care about. It became a wait for the other shoe to drop.

 

Fair enough, and it does come down to preference.  I rather enjoyed how openly awful she is; it was an interesting problem for my PC, who hated her but valued her experience.  And there was the inconvenient force bond thing.  For me it was less about when she was going to inevitably turn, and more about the 30+ hours prior, figuring out how to deal with her on a daily basis.

 

And while I do miss having companions who are just awful, I can see why BioWare at least has trended away from that.  The companions are all about connecting the player to the world, and it's a lot harder to connect with someone whom you loathe, even if it's an interesting character.  But I also tend to like characters that inspire a lot of hatred: Kreia, Anders, the Arishok, etc.


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This is offtopic (>_<) but I'm in the midst of replaying and I found something interesting ... 

After I brought Giselle back to Haven there was a tranquil elf that was speaking with her. Giselle asked her about being tranquil and the tranquil said "I no longer talk to dragons" ... could that tranquil elf be the same elf in Dawn of the Seekers? The one that commanded the dragons? 



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See, I went in loving Anders from Awakening, and he sparks all sorts of complex feelings for me. I was on his side, as a pro-mages player the whole series, but the whole situation was ultimately sad and pinged a sense of nurturing and lots of feelings. Hawke wouldn't condone what he did but she was in a tough spot since she loved him and also supported his cause, but not that action. He's also alive in my world state.

 

As far as Inquisition, I can't stand Vivienne, even though she's admittedly well-written. Funny enough, in Keep, it's making me choose that we were friends when I did her quest and gave her the snowy heart but the original tile unlocked was 'was not friends with', but that would've created an invalid world state.


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See, I went in loving Anders from Awakening, and he sparks all sorts of complex feelings for me. I was on his side, as a pro-mages player the whole series, but the whole situation was ultimately sad and pinged a sense of nurturing and lots of feelings. Hawke wouldn't condone what he did but she was in a tough spot since she loved him and also supported his cause, but not that action. He's also alive in my world state.

 

As far as Inquisition, I can't stand Vivienne, even though she's admittedly well-written. Funny enough, in Keep, it's making me choose that we were friends when I did her quest and gave her the snowy heart but the original tile unlocked was 'was not friends with', but that would've created an invalid world state.

Regarding the Keep - It's been updated to let you see all the tiles.  You just click on the gear in the rt hand menu and then turn spoilers to "off".


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Regarding the Keep - It's been updated to let you see all the tiles.  You just click on the gear in the rt hand menu and then turn spoilers to "off".

 

Yep, that's how I fixed the Vivienne thing. It now says we are friends (lies), so world state is valid.



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In related news, I'm back listening to the DAI tavern songs album while working and doing laundry.

 

I Am the One just gives me feels.


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See, I went in loving Anders from Awakening, and he sparks all sorts of complex feelings for me. 

 

This is why I love Anders.  And also why I love Solas.  My feelings about them run the gamut from affection to frustration, from sadness to explosive rage.  And independent of whether I like them as a person, I think that's what makes a great character.  

 

But I'm pretty easy, all things considered.  I can find something to like in just about any character, including unpopular ones (Cersei and Sansa from GoT, Velanna, etc.)  It takes a real piece of work for me to get to the point of pure loathing.  Like Ellen Tigh from BSG :rolleyes:   I've never watched it before, and my boyfriend's watching it with me now.  We're partway through the second season, and I just want someone to space her every time I see her face.


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This is why I love Anders.  And also why I love Solas.  My feelings about them run the gamut from affection to frustration, from sadness to explosive rage.  And independent of whether I like them as a person, I think that's what makes a great character.  

 

But I'm pretty easy, all things considered.  I can find something to like in just about any character, including unpopular ones (Cersei and Sansa from GoT, Velanna, etc.)  It takes a real piece of work for me to get to the point of pure loathing.  Like Ellen Tigh from BSG :rolleyes:   I've never watched it before, and my boyfriend's watching it with me now.  We're partway through the second season, and I just want someone to space her every time I see her face.

You learn to love her.  There are worse people...TRUST ME.  Ones that eventually do get spaced and it makes me so happy.

 

Regarding Tavern songs - I have all the Samson feels. His is just so FREAKING SAD.



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I'm generally able to find things to like about many characters, but it says something when that is very difficult. Kreia wouldn't have been as bad if she had just leveled with me, been more direct and less shady the entire time, because as a player, it was like....how long until you turn. I left her behind as often as possible. My party generally became Atton and Visas. Atton also gave me complex feelings but I feel like he's genuinely repentant and affected at this point and I wasn't playing someone above forgiveness. Even tried the forgiveness option with Kreia too.

 

Solas does give me degrees and shifting moments of complex feelings as well, but Kreia sort of needed to go out an airlock. ;) She treats everyone as collateral damage, even after getting to know them.

 

Solas kind of tries that, but he shifts on people. Holding everyone at a complete distance doesn't quite work, even when it does.



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My party generally became Atton and Visas. Atton also gave me complex feelings but I feel like he's genuinely repentant and affected at this point and I wasn't playing someone above forgiveness. 

 

Mmm...Atton Rand.  Still one of my favorite video game relationships, and he wasn't even a full romance in the traditional sense.  But he was so, so good.  Such a powerful, devastating deconstruction of the typical Star Wars rogue pilot.

 

I think it says something about me when I can forgive the former psychological torturer, but I have a hard time with Blackwall.  Probably doesn't say anything GOOD about me  :rolleyes:

 

 

Regarding Tavern songs - I have all the Samson feels. His is just so FREAKING SAD.

 

Having Samson feels is your default state nowadays  :P



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Anti-hellspiral?

 

I just heard this one on the radio today, and I think it fits Solas and Lavellan pretty well, especially if think of the "sun" as the "breach." Works for both points of view too.

 


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So I feel  bad, Maria. I PROMISED YOU THOUGHTS. MY THOUGHTS.  We got to theorizing and then I played more DLC.  Ok, so tonight I will seriously dig into it. I made a moon godlike and the character creator is wonderful and easy. You know how BG was - could be really overwhelming - it is much less so. which is great.  the chanter looks awesome but i haven't had a chance to combat. i saved right before you we start adventuring.   

 

i think it would be lightweight(in terms of processing power) to take on your holiday.  i would definitely do it, if it works.  people are going nuts over it and every place i trust regarding reviews LOVES it.

 

Don't feel bad, it's all good it's Friday pm here and it's awesome... Yes, the reviews were so good that I went and ordered it anyway... But do keep me posted and I loved the lore discussion...

 

Even the Solas smut is flowing...

 

So wrong...



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This is why I love Anders.  And also why I love Solas.  My feelings about them run the gamut from affection to frustration, from sadness to explosive rage.  And independent of whether I like them as a person, I think that's what makes a great character.  

 

But I'm pretty easy, all things considered.  I can find something to like in just about any character, including unpopular ones (Cersei and Sansa from GoT, Velanna, etc.)  It takes a real piece of work for me to get to the point of pure loathing.  Like Ellen Tigh from BSG :rolleyes:   I've never watched it before, and my boyfriend's watching it with me now.  We're partway through the second season, and I just want someone to space her every time I see her face.

 

Oh, I started liking Starbuck... and ended up finding Starbuck meh and loving Colonel Tigh... I just love the awkward ones...



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Oh, I started liking Starbuck... and ended up finding Starbuck meh and loving Colonel Tigh... I just love the awkward ones...

 

Every time Tigh turns up, I just see grumpier, more alcoholic Bailey from Mass Effect  :lol:

 

EDIT for TOP: Dread Graffiti Wolf.

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This may have been shared before, but I just found it. 

 

Very interesting kissing scene glitch... potentially nsfw???

 

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Just a heads up - the Sera thread got locked so I think maybe staying on topic for a while would be a good idea.


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SOLAS IS AMAZING AND HIS CHARACTER IS AMAZING AND SOLAS IS SO RELEVANT LIKE PLOT OMG GUYS SOLAS.


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Solas is relevant because Solas. 


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SOLAS IS AMAZING AND HIS CHARACTER IS AMAZING AND SOLAS IS SO RELEVANT LIKE PLOT OMG GUYS SOLAS.

 

 

Solas is relevant because Solas. 

 

Solas is amazing because wolves are amazing because they're basically giant dogs.

 

...

 

Maybe we can tone down the on topic a little bit.