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[Renmiri1]

long twitter thread from PAtrick Weekes about solas romance

 

[Cee]

Ugh, damn it, Weekes. Feasting on all of our tears.

 

I didn't see it as 'winning him over' but yes, changing his mind and also kind of looking past his hesitation. Like, I feel like I should've kept up my suspicions but damn, Lavellan and I couldn't help it.

[Addai]

That was okay up until the summation. Solas' appeal is not the hahren factor or tragedy, for me, but the subtlety and cerebral aspects. And to compare it to Phantom of the Opera...   To me the Christine-Phantom relationship was unrequited and very dysfunctional.

[Renmiri1]

That was okay up until the summation. Solas' appeal is not the hahren factor or tragedy, for me, but the subtlety and cerebral aspects. And to compare it to Phantom of the Opera...   To me the Christine-Phantom relationship was unrequited and very dysfunctional.

 

but is different, the Phantom manipulated Christine, she never loved him. She liked him as a father I think

[Cee]

He clarifies he's referring to the musical, which others have mentioned there are issues with. The book was so different in tone.

 

That aspect of it isn't my cup of er, tea, either, but I know some do like that potential for the Solas romance.

 

Also, if you're playing it for the first time, you don't know there's tragedy coming.

 

What I loved was the combination of the intellectual and emotional connection and the hints at something hot underneath his calm. And how physical his romance scenes were.

[CapricornSun]

long twitter thread from PAtrick Weekes about solas romance

 

Spoiler

 

Still out of likes but damn. ;___;

 

Not sure I agree about the whole comparison to the Phantom of the Opera though. 

[Addai]

but is different, the Phantom manipulated Christine, she never loved him. She liked him as a father I think

That's what I mean. I don't see that as a romance at all, but a one-sided obsession which turns abusive. Don't like that comparison at all. Though I guess there is the "hot for hahren" contingent in the fandom. Bleccchhhh.

[DarthEmpress]

Hey now that's me lol XD  I like his old-as-balls mentality!

[CapricornSun]

Hey now that's me lol XD  I like his old-as-balls mentality!

 

Count me in. 

[Addai]

I prefer to think of Solas and Lavellan as peers, though obviously there's some inequality built in. I also play Lavellan as older and a capable mage and scholar in her own right. I dislike the "please notice me senpai" connotations otherwise. Ick.

[Cee]

I prefer to think of Solas and Lavellan as peers, though obviously there's some inequality built in. I also play Lavellan as older and a capable mage and scholar in her own right. I dislike the "please notice me senpai" connotations otherwise. Ick.

 

I play mine as a bit older and also capable in her own right (she was given the responsibility to go to the Conclave and report back for good reason) and that's what I like too. How Solas can know much but also come to treat Lavellan as someone intelligent too, capable of wisdom, open-mindedness, and more.  While it's true that you can take your Lavellan through some serious character development by being willing to listen to and think about Solas' guidance, I don't see them as in a wildly unequal position. Obviously, given who he is, there's a lot of baggage and  there would be assumption of such given his age and knowledge and ability, but I'm talking as Solas, which I do believe, especially when romanced, you, as he even admits, see a lot of the real him anyway.

[nranola]

Hey guys! Popping in real quick for a question to those of you who've already played through the Hakkon DLC: when's a good time to play through it, pre- or post- game, to get the most out of Solas interaction, if it varies at all?

[Janic99]

long twitter thread from PAtrick Weekes about solas romance

 

Okay.. first..

'' You have to win them over '' 

Solas was pretty willingly to come forward when Lavellan just made a move first... she didn't need to try THAT much. Secondly... he was yes like '' I REALLY SHOULD NOT DO THIS '' 
but the thing that we would have to win them over.. Cassandra yes but Solas... WHEN DID WE EVER WON HIM OVER? HE DUMPED US ANYWAYS AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN DATING! WE GOT ONLY SOME KISSES <.< 

 

That's not winning him over to me!? I mean Cassandra.. She wants to be with Inquisitor forever in the end of the game they even make love and I believe they can have a future together but Solas.. we ALMOST won him over but then... HE RUINS EVERYTHING AND THERE IS NO WAY TO TRY TO GET HIM BACK...

T_T

I hope we still get a chance to win him over on DLC later... 

 

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hey guys! Popping in real quick for a question to those of you who've already played through the Hakkon DLC: when's a good time to play through it, pre- or post- game, to get the most out of Solas interaction, if it varies at all?

 

Solas's interaction does not vary based on romance as far as I'm aware.  He does have a fair amount of interesting dialogue, so if you want to see his DLC content, you will need to bring him pre-endgame.  If you've already finished the endgame, he does not rejoin the party for Jaws of Hakkon.

 

 

I prefer to think of Solas and Lavellan as peers, though obviously there's some inequality built in. I also play Lavellan as older and a capable mage and scholar in her own right. I dislike the "please notice me senpai" connotations otherwise. Ick.

 

I'm one of the people who plays a younger, less experienced Lavellan, and I think the relationship is capable of evolving beyond that "hot for hahren" phase as she undergoes character development.  Age is IMO less the defining factor; it's more about emotional maturity.  And at first, I do headcanon Solas calling my Lavellan da'len and being friendly, but a little patronizing.  He stops doing that as she learns to find her strength, and by the time the romance actually kicks in, their relationship is as equal as it's ever going to get, Solas being Solas and all.

[Shari'El]

Mike Laidlaw, Aaryn Flynn, and Mark Darrah are doing an AMA over at Kotaku right now:

 

http://kotaku.com/ko...uisi-1694123219

 

 

 

There was also this quote that convinced me that there will be a DLC with Solas

 

 

 

"The two big pulls are - 'I want more of this game' and 'I've reached the ending and I want to know more about the characters, or one specific character'," Laidlaw teased.

 

"I don't want to go into too much detail but I'm well aware of both of those camps and I'd like to see both of those groups satisfied before we're done."

 

Basically the part 'I've reached the ending and I want to know more about the characters, or one specific character" and "I'd like to see both of those groups satisfied before we're done" - what could it be? What in the ending can make us want to know more of some characters if they're not Solas and the Elvhen Pantheon? I'm pretty sure they are not speaking of Iron Bull

[Siha]

...if I could use this idea as a cosplay for Comic Con.

 

I want to be in CA too. It's just so unfair.

 

Ah, I checked the person's Youtube channel and she said, "This banter can still be heard before the end of the game! I got it to trigger After the Temple of Mythal, but before the end. Still, very interesting!"

 

So it could be very well be Flemythal that the elf heard in his dreams.

 

I don't think it's Morrigan. Because that does not make sense in my eyes. Morrigan never willingly accepted Mythal's soul to "invade" her body. But Flemythal clearly says "A soul is not forced on the unwilling". So I see no way for Morrigan to inhabit Mythal's soul now. Also, I am not so sure if "Mytahl's soul" and "Mythal's power" can be separated. So at the end we meet Flemythal and Solas; and Flemathyl must still have Mythal's soul. If the soul had left and we only saw Flemeth there, shouldn't she die in an instant anyway? She is ancient by now and only kept alive by Mythal's soul being in her body. The moment the soul leaves the body, it collapses. So the soul should be in Solas now.

Sure, the authors said "he takes her power" but maybe that's just a matter of words and not one of meaning. 

And from a story writing POV it is too risky to give Morrigan Mythal's soul. Because how would you justify it? How can you let Flemythal say "A soul is not forced on the unwilling" and then still do it at the end? Because (1) drinking from the well is no willingness to take in a soul, and (2) many players will have refused to let Morrigan drink, so there was no commitment at all. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I prefer to think of Solas and Lavellan as peers, though obviously there's some inequality built in. I also play Lavellan as older and a capable mage and scholar in her own right. I dislike the "please notice me senpai" connotations otherwise. Ick.

Especially when you're supposed to be the Inquisitor... LOL the fate of thedas is left in the hands of someone so pathetic as that. Is scared

 

But, sometimes people would rather be lead than lead, especially when it comes to their man. Which to me just doesn't fit for the Inquisitor, hence my dislike of all the "Solas was behind everything, he should be the inquisitor," stuff.

[CapricornSun]

I want to be in CA too. It's just so unfair.


I don't think it's Morrigan. Because that does not make sense in my eyes. Morrigan never willingly accepted Mythal's soul to "invade" her body. But Flemythal clearly says "A soul is not forced on the unwilling". So I see no way for Morrigan to inhabit Mythal's soul now. Also, I am not so sure if "Mytahl's soul" and "Mythal's power" can be separated. So at the end we meet Flemythal and Solas; and Flemathyl must still have Mythal's soul. If the soul had left and we only saw Flemeth there, shouldn't she die in an instant anyway? She is ancient by now and only kept alive by Mythal's soul being in her body. The moment the soul leaves the body, it collapses. So the soul should be in Solas now.
Sure, the authors said "he takes her power" but maybe that's just a matter of words and not one of meaning.
And from a story writing POV it is too risky to give Morrigan Mythal's soul. Because how would you justify it? How can you let Flemythal say "A soul is not forced on the unwilling" and then still do it at the end? Because (1) drinking from the well is no willingness to take in a soul, and (2) many players will have refused to let Morrigan drink, so there was no commitment at all.

I agree with all you said. That's why I have a hard time believing that it's Morrigan with Mythal's soul who was talking to that elf in his dreams. Especially since the person who made that video confirmed in her notes that that conversation between the Orlesian and the elf could happen before the ending.

[Kulyok]

That twitter sequence with Patrick Weekes was amazing, thank you so much for sharing!

 

But I had a "WAIT WHAT" moment here: "No worry of player feeling used/violated" - after Solas' romance culmination? The waterfall scene? Um, used/violated is an understatement I don't know, I just felt very sad and angry and "NO SOLAS NO"(not used, no), but some of the players might've felt exactly that, and I feel their feelings would be justified.

[Colonelkillabee]

That twitter sequence with Patrick Weekes was amazing, thank you so much for sharing!

 

But I had a "WAIT WHAT" moment here: "No worry of player feeling used/violated" - after Solas' romance culmination? The waterfall scene? Um, used/violated is an understatement I don't know, I just felt very sad and angry and "NO SOLAS NO"(not used, no), but some of the players might've felt exactly that, and I feel their feelings would be justified.

All he did was end the relationship. Poorly, but still.

 

If one feels used or violated from that, I think that's their problem really. After all, Lavellan advanced on him. His words before everything was "No, I shouldn't."

 

Hurt and resentful shouldn't be confused with violated or used.

[Al Foley]

All he did was end the relationship. Poorly, but still.

 

If one feels used or violated from that, I think that's their problem really. After all, Lavellan advanced on him. His words before everything was "No, I shouldn't."

 

Hurt and resentful shouldn't be confused with violated or used.

Yeah being used implies that Solas went into the romance eagerly and then after the deed was like...oh wait hahaha...you thought this was serious?  If he was reluctant about starting the romance 'I will end up hurting you' you should not be surprised that you will get hurt, see Anders and Blackwall.

[Illyria]

can anyone clarify why people would hate fiona? she hasn't done anything as bad as bianca ... unless they think allying with tevinter was horrible 

 

People are jealous that she's well into her 60s and looks better than they do and that she's an utter badass revolutionary leader.

 

A lot of it, I think, comes from the fact that her level of specialness is at 'player character' levels. I guess people don't like being reminded that they're not the only snowflake in Thedas.  I also think a little of it is down to sexism.  I don't think that a male character in Fiona's place would get nearly as much hate as she does.

 

She had a lot of hate before DAI came out.  When I read The Calling and Asunder I found her interesting and far more sensible than her haters claimed.  She didn't pull the mages into a war.  She took a vote and acted on the majority.  Her actions in DAI are questionable but I think the Nightmare demon was doing stuff to her head during that quest. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah being used implies that Solas went into the romance eagerly and then after the deed was like...oh wait hahaha...you thought this was serious?  If he was reluctant about starting the romance 'I will end up hurting you' you should not be surprised that you will get hurt, see Anders and Blackwall.

Not that I'd willingly compare Solas to Anders But the comparison does hold. Blackwall too.

 

I get it though. Solas knew better, he's a logical man, but feelings are a ****** sometimes. It should be expected that eventually logic trumps his feelings however.

 

For now

[Al Foley]

Fiona is another character that is so fascinating to me because it shows that BioWare is commited to trying to emulate real life as much as possible when it comes to their characters and not a wishy washy 'agenda'.  She should be a character that would be treated with kid glvoes and just be this awesome champion of all things good and holy while the mages are all grrr evil...grrr.  But most people make mistakes, most revolutionaries either through mistakes or the fact that they are actually psychopaths, make mistakes.  Fiona, made terrible descisions in DA I and it is hard to support her.  I applaud BioWare for doing it and pulling that trigger...

 

But on the personal level of me in the character I hoped I was wrong.  It was funny I could see them going in this direction and wrote it in a fan fic, that my Inquisitor to be did not trust Fioana's leadership...but I liked the character, and wish she were more George Washington rather then...a good example does not come to mind honestly. 

[Siha]

But I had a "WAIT WHAT" moment here: "No worry of player feeling used/violated" - after Solas' romance culmination? The waterfall scene? Um, used/violated is an understatement I don't know, I just felt very sad and angry and "NO SOLAS NO"(not used, no), but some of the players might've felt exactly that, and I feel their feelings would be justified.

 

I assume what he means is that Solas didn't play with Lavellan. In the end we understand that he really saw no other choice, he had to leave. In generall I would have been pissed to see my strongest mage leave me without a word, and even take all the good equipment with him. But I saw that scene and I understood that he didn't do it because he didn't care or anything like that. He can't tell Lavellan what he is up to and he can't stay.

 

Also, from what I've read here, the authors implied that the Solas romance would include tears and heartbreak, before the game was released. Maybe that's also what reassured them that players were fine with the course of the romance.