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I'm trying to write up a Solavellan scene but I can't seem to make this one go more than 350ish words. I keep using a less-detailed, internally-focused POV and I'd like to maybe add in more details to buffer the emotion, but until recently, I honestly haven't been writing creatively for a good while. I write professionally as part of my job and I feel like all the nonfiction, general stuff has kind of ruined my storytelling a bit.

 

So the end result is I keep writing really short snapshots. I have this latest one from Solas' POV. Maybe I'll try this same one from my Lavellan's POV and put them up together.

 

Descriptions are a pain... I find, I much prefer dialogue... but description is sooooooooo necessary, what I've being doing lately is outlining the scene, writing the dialogue and then backfilling it... Duh, I guess that might be called revision... Also found this yesterday...

 

And I translate for a living mostly legal dull texts so...

 

http://terribleminds...d-as-she-wants/



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CapricornSun83, on 29 Mar 2015 - 4:41 PM, said:
*sneaks in* Art time!   :ph34r:
 
Some nice Solavellan sketches from paperwick's stream.
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And a very NSFW sketch from her NSFW stream. ;)
 
More Solavellan:
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Some Solas artworks:
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EDIT: I forgot to add... Solas cosplay at the Emerald City Comicon! xD
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That Fen'Harel tarot card is very, very nice.

 

EDIT: That cosplay killed me!

 

 

I recently discovered that I could use DAI Cinematic Tools even with a cutscene running so I took some screenies of the final romance scene with Solas from different angles. 

 

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I always get that song "Sera Was Never" stuck in my head after I play. I've been humming it the whole day.


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it's hinted they might have done "things" together but they left that up to the player 

i'd personally prefer that they showed the scenes ... 

I know it but I need to see my sex scene XD



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I know it but I need to see my sex scene XD

 

Let's just pray to the Bioware gods that Solas and Lavellan may eventually do the horizontal mambo in future DLCs. :P


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I finished this one:

 

if_love_is_surrender__then_whose_war_is_

 

Here it is on Deviant Art, on Tumblr, and some of it in progress. :)


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Let's just pray to the Bioware gods that Solas and Lavellan may eventually do the horizontal mambo in future DLCs. :P

 

At this point, I've written enough sex scenes of Solas and my own Lavellan to fill up a DLC  :lol:


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Eh, I'd like too a sex/heavy hinted/fade to black/phisically intimate scene for Solas and Lavellan.  :lol: But I have to say I'd be even more happy with just some more interactions between the two of them...


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At this point, I've written enough sex scenes of Solas and my own Lavellan to fill up a DLC  :lol:

 

lol, I wish I could write as well as you guys. xD I just fantasize (a lot) on the type of sex scenes that Solas and my Lavellan have. :P

 

Also, I'm... currently drawing my first Solas and Lavellan smut.  :ph34r: 


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lol, I wish I could write as well as you guys. xD I just fantasize (a lot) on the type of sex scenes that Solas and my Lavellan have. :P

 

Also, I'm... currently drawing my first Solas and Lavellan smut.  :ph34r: 

 

And I wish I could draw.  Like, at all beyond stick figures.  Alas, we all must come up with smutty, smutty Solavellan goodness with our own strengths  ^_^


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Just a thought:

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I like it. The power of belief. Very Elderscrolls.



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Eh, I'd like too a sex/heavy hinted/fade to black/phisically intimate scene for Solas and Lavellan.  :lol: But I have to say I'd be even more happy with just some more interactions between the two of them...

 

I'd basically take anything I can get, but a sex scene is nearly at the top. I'd like them to get back together, first.  :P

 

We already don't get a fade to black and you can kiss any LI anytime you want except for Solas. *sigh*


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Just a thought:

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If so, that's basically Elder Scrolls cosmology. Mythopoeia.



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I always get that song "Sera Was Never" stuck in my head after I play. I've been humming it the whole day.

 

 

Not a day goes by without me catching myself humming this song. It's disgustingly catchy.


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I'd basically take anything I can get, but a sex scene is nearly at the top. I'd like them to get back together, first.  :P

 

We already don't get a fade to black and you can kiss any LI anytime you want except for Solas. *sigh*

 

Yeah...more interactions as a whole would be great. It doesn't have to be kissing and stuff. it would be great simply seeing they have some time together. It sadden me that with every other LI I have romanced after Solas have the kiss/time together but Solas and Lavellan no.

That leave the romance a sense of unfinished, not only the break up scene. :(


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Just a thought:

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Terry Pratchett's (mayherestinpeace) Disc World religion is based on this idea, that gods are shaped and empowered by belief. I don't think that's how the Creators work (my theory is more Titan/Olympian gods based where Elgar'nan and Mythal defeated the dragon gods and then created the elves) but it's certainly possible.   


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My personal opinion is that, after thinking about it some, I'm happy with the lack of a sex scene for Lavellan and Solas, and would prefer that they elect not to show one in the future, for a few reasons. One is that there is a sex scene for most of the other LIs (6 out of 8 in DA:I iirc?, and most of the LIs in the previous DA games, barring Seb I think), so it's not as if the game or the series is lacking in them. DA:I is great for representing different sexual orientations (lesbian, gay man, bisexual, pansexual) and gender identities (Krem). I'm not asexual, but my experience of the DA asexual community on Tumblr is that they are happy to see some romances where there is no sex scene for once - one male (Solas), one female (Josie). I think that representation is important. Sex is great and a natural progression of many relationships IRL, but not all of them, and that's okay. I think it's nice to see that kind of relationship also represented in the video game medium. If I want a romance with a sex scene, I can easily choose one of the others - I'm well-catered to, as a non-asexual person, already.

 

Solas' sexual orientation has been interpreted a few different ways - sexual, asexual, demisexual.. each is fine and valid, and I'd like for it to remain that way. That way everyone can headcanon what they want and nobody is left upset by a concrete statement one way or the other.

 

Another reason is that I understand and agree with the reasons Patrick and the team seemed to have for leaving it up to the player on whether they did or did not have a sexual relationship - considering Solas' identity and the nature of his deception, etc. There are plenty of hints that you can take to mean that they did have a sexual relationship if you so choose. The foundation for that headcanon is there, if you want it. I headcanon that my Lavellan and Solas did indeed have a sexual relationship. I don't need to see it play out in the game to establish this. Just like how, in the Cullen romance, they show a sex scene once iirc - that doesn't mean the Inquisitor and Cullen only slept together that one time. There is a limit to what they can or need to show.

 

I also don't need a sex scene to be shown in a romance for the romance to feel "complete" or to establish a level of intimacy. The Solavellan romance arc's story will feel complete not through the inclusion of a scene where they have sex but when the questions it raises are answered and Lavellan has some form of closure or resolution, whatever form that may take - getting back together, not getting back together, whatever. Furthermore the intimacy and closeness between the two is evident to me already from the way the romance was written, from the things he says to her, from the way it's choreographed - consider the way they walk together in the final scene.

 

Finally the lack of sex scene for me also cements the nature of Solas and Lavellan's connection. He makes it clear that he's in awe of her spirit, of who she is. That doesn't mean they can't have a sexual relationship of course, or that a sex scene would undermine it. Just I think that theirs is a spiritual connection that transcends godhood and potentially mortality. Some fic for them is like "She's so beautiful I MUST have her and ravish her I can't help myself I can't control the Dread Wolf inside of me!!!".. for me that's off the mark.


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Terry Pratchett's (mayherestinpeace) Disc World religion is based on this idea, that gods are shaped and empowered by belief. I don't think that's how the Creators work (my theory is more Titan/Olympian gods based where Elgar'nan and Mythal defeated the dragon gods and then created the elves) but it's certainly possible.   

Neil Gaiman's work has that idea, too, and the writers did say they were influenced by him. So it's possible that's where they're going, to an extent.



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Solas' sexual orientation has been interpreted a few different ways - sexual, asexual, demisexual.. each is fine and valid, and I'd like for it to remain that way. That way everyone can headcanon what they want and nobody is left upset by a concrete statement one way or the other.

But, this is basically the "playersexual" conception that the writers previously rejected, because it makes it seem that the NPCs aren't real people, they're romance bots.
 

Finally the lack of sex scene for me also cements the nature of Solas and Lavellan's connection. He makes it clear that he's in awe of her spirit, of who she is. That doesn't mean they can't have a sexual relationship of course, or that a sex scene would undermine it. Just I think that theirs is a spiritual connection that transcends godhood and potentially mortality. Some fic for them is like "She's so beautiful I MUST have her and ravish her I can't help myself I can't control the Dread Wolf inside of me!!!".. for me that's off the mark.

Sex doesn't negate a spiritual/ intellectual connection. For some people, it's what deepens it.

I understand why they'd choose not to show a sex scene in DAI, because he's deceptive and then dumps her, so players could feel used. Maybe they'll continue to be agnostic about this question in future content. That's fine. To me the fact that you can roleplay Solas and Lavellan as being sexual, means- he's not asexual. Maybe they didn't do the deed for whatever reason, maybe they never would if Lavellan is asexual, but in his own character he sees sex as part of love. That's enough for me. I don't need a fade to black for any further clarity. Of course, I'd welcome a chance to develop the relationship more on screen, if that's what they decide to do in post-game content.
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I really don't have to see a scene, and am okay that there isn't one.  However, I very much see Solas as a sexual character.  Even dialogue that is not romance related kind of suggests this, asking Cole if he has an interest in women, and what he says at the Winter Palace in particular.  My Lavellan's definitely did the deed with him (some more than others depending upon their background and personality).  

I am glad that asexual players can enjoy the romance and overlook these things and would not want them to be denied that by adding a scene now.  On the other hand, I'd be really irritated if the character of Solas was changed and made explicitly asexual in future content because he is popular with asexual players, although I don't see that happening either.


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But, this is basically the "playersexual" conception that the writers previously rejected, because it makes it seem that the NPCs aren't real people, they're romance bots.
 
Sex doesn't negate a spiritual/ intellectual connection. For some people, it's what deepens it.

I understand why they'd choose not to show a sex scene in DAI, because he's deceptive and then dumps her, so players could feel used. Maybe they'll continue to be agnostic about this question in future content. That's fine. To me the fact that you can roleplay Solas and Lavellan as being sexual, means- he's not asexual. Maybe they didn't do the deed for whatever reason, maybe they never would if Lavellan is asexual, but in his own character he sees sex as part of love. That's enough for me. I don't need a fade to black for any further clarity. Of course, I'd welcome a chance to develop the relationship more on screen, if that's what they decide to do in post-game content.

I understand the issues with the "playersexual" companions in DA2. 

I don't think a character's sexuality remaining ambiguous automatically reduces them to 'romance bots'. Solas is clearly his own person with his own goals, plans and motivations. His agency over player choice and preference is demonstrated well in the game - you can't stop him from leaving you, for example.

 

Re: this "Sex doesn't negate a spiritual/ intellectual connection." I said as much: "That doesn't mean they can't have a sexual relationship of course, or that a sex scene would undermine it."

Re: this "For some people, it's what deepens it." I said as much: "Sex is great and a natural progression of many relationships IRL"

 

I'd simply like for the asexual people who have asexual interpretations of Solas to be able continue to do so. I don't think their interpretation is less valid than mine.

 

I'm sure the relationship will be developed further in post-game content (tying up some of the loose ends from the whole thing) - just personally I don't require this to include a scene of them having sex.

 

 

I am glad that asexual players can enjoy the romance and overlook these things and would not want them to be denied that by adding a scene now.  On the other hand, I'd be really irritated if the character of Solas was changed and made explicitly asexual in future content because he is popular with asexual players, although I don't see that happening either.

I really don't see this happening.


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My personal opinion is that, after thinking about it some, I'm happy with the lack of a sex scene for Lavellan and Solas, and would prefer that they elect not to show one in the future, for a few reasons. One is that there is a sex scene for most of the other LIs (6 out of 8 in DA:I iirc?, and most of the LIs in the previous DA games, barring Seb I think), so it's not as if the game or the series is lacking in them. DA:I is great for representing different sexual orientations (lesbian, gay man, bisexual, pansexual) and gender identities (Krem). I'm not asexual, but my experience of the DA asexual community on Tumblr is that they are happy to see some romances where there is no sex scene for once - one male (Solas), one female (Josie). I think that representation is important. Sex is great and a natural progression of many relationships IRL, but not all of them, and that's okay. I think it's nice to see that kind of relationship also represented in the video game medium. If I want a romance with a sex scene, I can easily choose one of the others - I'm well-catered to, as a non-asexual person, already.

 

Solas' sexual orientation has been interpreted a few different ways - sexual, asexual, demisexual.. each is fine and valid, and I'd like for it to remain that way. That way everyone can headcanon what they want and nobody is left upset by a concrete statement one way or the other.

 

Another reason is that I understand and agree with the reasons Patrick and the team seemed to have for leaving it up to the player on whether they did or did not have a sexual relationship - considering Solas' identity and the nature of his deception, etc. There are plenty of hints that you can take to mean that they did have a sexual relationship if you so choose. The foundation for that headcanon is there, if you want it. I headcanon that my Lavellan and Solas did indeed have a sexual relationship. I don't need to see it play out in the game to establish this. Just like how, in the Cullen romance, they show a sex scene once iirc - that doesn't mean the Inquisitor and Cullen only slept together that one time. There is a limit to what they can or need to show.

 

I also don't need a sex scene to be shown in a romance for the romance to feel "complete" or to establish a level of intimacy. The Solavellan romance arc's story will feel complete not through the inclusion of a scene where they have sex but when the questions it raises are answered and Lavellan has some form of closure or resolution, whatever form that may take - getting back together, not getting back together, whatever. Furthermore the intimacy and closeness between the two is evident to me already from the way the romance was written, from the things he says to her, from the way it's choreographed - consider the way they walk together in the final scene.

 

Finally the lack of sex scene for me also cements the nature of Solas and Lavellan's connection. He makes it clear that he's in awe of her spirit, of who she is. That doesn't mean they can't have a sexual relationship of course, or that a sex scene would undermine it. Just I think that theirs is a spiritual connection that transcends godhood and potentially mortality. Some fic for them is like "She's so beautiful I MUST have her and ravish her I can't help myself I can't control the Dread Wolf inside of me!!!".. for me that's off the mark.

 

 

Well, I disagree. I would have like a sex scene, not necessarily a particularly explicit one, but a playful one, one that was in tune with their fade tongue conversation, light-hearted, if you will.

 

As for Solas being all things to all people, [], he either is or he isn't, and I can't help but think that this waters it down, a bit like the bisexual availability of the DA2 companions but in reverse.  I've argued elsewhere that Solas shows very physical arousal reactions and these are pretty undeniable. We've all seen the gifs...

 

I am not too much into the spiritual connection thingy, there are spirits and there are things of flesh and blood and in his current incarnation (I do not doubt that Solas or Fen'Harel has a spirit  projection as you will, Cole says as much), it is significant that he has chosen to have a physical, mortal, body, and his link with Lavellan is based on that physical body and the dangers they face are based around the dangers of physical annihilation...

 

So I guess my take on it is, let's have it here and let's have it now and to hell with the rest... Because life is short and we know not what will happen tomorrow...

 

[and at some point Solas says something very similar]


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I'm aware that it's not a popular opinion and it's okay to disagree, but let's avoid "pffft"-ing each other please.  :)



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There are a few things I want to clarify, hope now is not too late to reply.

 

 

We can assume for pretty much certain that Solas' plans, whatever they are, are based on the best intentions for elves (whichever subgroup of elves he considers to be his people, at any rate). We know this from "The People, they need me" and from the dev notes "In his drive to save the People, he will kill anyone, even Mythal" [they were something like that anyway]. He's definitely on the side of whoever he considers to be The People.

 

...If he's planning on releasing the gods back to the world, it may not be the best thing for modern elves at all, because they will once again be beholden to a group of powerful beings who, from certain Codex entries and dialogues, can certainly be interpreted as feudal tyrants who have abused their power, may be [in the case of some] genuinely Blighted/corrupted/insane...To trade shem oppressors for ******* overlords.. that's not for me.

 

I'm of the opinion that a shift of power for elves in Thedas should come around as a result of such things as Briala holding power of Gaspard and an elven Inquisitor acting as an ambassador for elvenkind and a beacon for elves across Thedas.

 

I think that if his plans were so un-grey/un-problematic he wouldn't have had to have left to carry them out on his own.

 

 

I see the popular speculation now is that Solas would sacrifice himself to release the sealed elven gods and then hope for the best. Regardless of what the other gods are truly like (the current info is incomplete for insightful understandings, though I picture them to be more like Azura and not Molag bal, but whatever), I personally do not think that is his intention. Solas said the following line after the ToM when the inquisitor said she wanted to share her power of the well:

 

 

" you must not let false modesty allow you to pass your power to someone else. There are few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what you sacrificed to achieve."

 

 

That, plus the dev notes "In his drive to save the People, he will kill anyone, even Mythal", make me seriously doubt he will just start something and not see it through this time. If I were him, instead of releasing the other gods, I would want to absorb their power and make myself God No.1, so I don't have to rely on them, especially when they maybe volatile. 

 

 

The above is nothing more than my own speculation, but let's say this is his plan, is it something he could share with a friend he met for a couple of months? I think not, although I still think he could have probed the attitude of an elven inquisitor.

 

 

(And just for argument sake, if all of the sealed elven gods are tyrants who cared about nothing but adulation and Solas did release them?

 

             1. If these gods accept worships from every race, then they will probably turn to the biggest population available to gain adulation, namely the humans. So they will not remain as “elven” gods and will not do anything specifically for elves.

 

             2. If these gods accept only worships from elves, then they must deal with the largely weakened and mortal modern elves living within and in the gaps of human spheres. In this case they need a lot more than the desire to dominate to gain adulation, because at this point even trying to kill all humans will not deliver the elves back to where they were, whats done cannot be undone. Thus being just “tyrants who cared about nothing but adulation” will get these elven gods nowhere, and in turn will get the elves nothing. (Unless the situation changes these elven gods as it did Solas, and forces them to work on their more constructive qualities and work together.)

 

             3. If these gods accept only worships from immortal elves. Considering how many immortal elves are possibly left, this is just sad. Perhaps the gods could divide their essences (or may not even need to) and merge with the immortal elves, and then they can live happily as gods in flesh ever after.  

 

             4. If these gods do not accept any currently available races and want to create a new type of people. Then they are, again, not “elven” gods anymore.

 

So I don’t see how releasing a few powerful “just tyrants” will be constructive, and I doubt Solas intends for an ineffective solution for a problem he values so greatly. )

 

 

 

About having Briala holding power of Gaspard and an elven Inquisitor acting as an ambassador, I think these are meaningful achievements but not necessarily effective toward rising the status of elves. Take Briala as an example, firstly, the evidences she held are unlikely to bind Gaspard for life; secondly, "drastic" reforms would not help her to stay in power (or may even backfire) as both Gaspard and nobles in general are, in fact, against her. Similarly, an elven inquisitor would probably be seen as a "special" foreigner well versed in human affairs. The respect and understandings the elven inquisitor received are unlikely to be transformed into respect and understandings for all dalish elves. 

 

 

 

Currently, with the limited info about what Solas may want to achieve, I think I share his perspective at least partially and I am sympathetic toward his cause. I thus see him as on the friendly side (ie we are on the same side). I do not know of his method and his plan. Will I approve of them and let my inquisitor Levallen follow them? May or may not, depending on what they are. That being said, I see methods as revisable and sides not so much. Even if his plan ends up being something I disapprove of, doesn't mean I won't want to "help" him in some ways. Helping and following blindly are not the same thing.


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I'm aware that it's not a popular opinion and it's okay to disagree, but let's avoid "pffft"-ing each other please.  :)

 

Withdrawn.  ^_^


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Thanks Maria :)


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