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[Mims]

But it is sexual behaviour... 

 

But I think I need to ask you how you define asexuality... and we are steering perilously close to Bill Clinton territory here...

 

There can be no good end to any of this.

[Colonelkillabee]

 

And here I am wondering, why does such term bother you so much to begin with.

To this and all the rest, the same reason why I'd shake my head at people classifying a crime as a hate crime. Classifying it as a sexuality when it isn't just serves to confuse and make people misinterpret things. It's silly, pointless and sends the idea that you're somehow special for being attracted to someone after a relationship of some sort develops... Do you not see how ass backwards that is?

 

Separating preferences and calling them sexualities is pointlessly convoluted.

[Moirin]

So, to move on, I'm looking for happy Solas reunion songs, anyone have any suggestions?

[DarthEmpress]

I would've liked the option to have a fade-to-black sex scene with Solas, kind of like how you can not have sex with Dorian but still continue the relationship.  I always thought that after the balcony scene it would've been nice to, when you next click on Solas, have another scene where Lavellan puts her arms around him from behind while he's working.  He smiles and they start talking about his paintings.  Maybe some flirt dialogue and then HE goes in for the kiss and gets really into it and grabs your butt and Lavellan's like, "Solas!"  And he smiles and says, "Too bold?" Then you can:

 

1. I just want you to hold me.  (cuddle on the couch)

2. Not bold enough. (you both go over to the couch, fade to black)

3. Allow me to be the bold one. (you push his smooth butt onto that couch and straddle him, fade to black)

 

XD ahahaha

[KarateKats]

Let's not get out of hand okay. Let's all take the time to remember the Sera thread....

 

ToP Solas: 

 

Ahh, the one true gif is the best Top Solas.

[nikki-tikki]

So, to move on, I'm looking for happy Solas reunion songs, anyone have any suggestions?

 

No but I have a song for all the daddy!Solas fans.

 

Forgive me:

 

[Sifr]

Let's not get out of hand okay. Let's all take the time to remember the Sera thread....

 

Well said, arguing about his sexuality is counterproductive and distracts from us all gazing at his sheer magnificence?

 

 

[Delphine]

Let's not get out of hand okay. Let's all take the time to remember the Sera thread....

 

Aww, I wasn't even getting started.

 

Separating preferences and calling them sexualities is pointlessly convoluted.

 

No it's not, but I see you won't understand that, and as such will continue to judge people who do. As if your opinion on the matter was the best and unique one. Oh well, can't say it surprises me

[Maria13]

I also don't see how it's funny that people have a different interpretation of a character to you. That's a bit unkind.

The Wiki quote doesn't negate anything zam or I/others have said in recent posts about ace people and sexual activity...?

 

You see what you see, and that's fine. What I'm saying is that other people see differently, and that's also fine, and continuing to insist that they must definitely be wrong while your vision of the situation must definitely be right is not something that I understand. Maybe you're really significantly invested in the idea of a sexual!Solas...?

 

Edit: I agree that we should drop this. Sorry everyone.

 

"Eppur si muove..."

 

But let's move on...

[nikki-tikki]

Aww, I wasn't even getting started.

 

 

No it's not, but I see you won't understand that, and as such will continue to judge people who do. As if your opinion on the matter was the best and unique one. Oh well, can't say it surprises me

 

It's just a continuous circle of people being judged so just drop it. 

[Colonelkillabee]

No it's not, but I see you won't understand that, and as such will continue to judge people who do. As if your opinion on the matter was the best and unique one. Oh well, can't say it surprises me

You should never be surprised that I don't eat bull when presented before me on a silver platter.

 

I don't much care about what makes people happy. What you call yourself is nothing to me out on the street, but in a discussion, I don't have to humor it. If you present it on an open forum where everything is fair game, I'll go after it. Why? Because I can. Why wouldn't I when it's being brought up to describe a character that everyone else and their grandmother is tearing at with their own projections upon him. I'm not special here. I'm not accepting this interpretation anymore than I would someone saying Solas is an evil jerkwad. Because it's inaccurate, simple as that.

 

In short, don't bring stuff up if you don't like people challenging it.

[Delphine]

I don't much care about what makes people happy. What you call yourself is nothing to me out on the street, but in a discussion, I don't have to humor it. If you present it on an open forum where everything is fair game, I'll go after it. Why? Because I can. Why wouldn't I when it's being brought up to describe a character that everyone else and their grandmother is tearing at with their own projections upon him. I'm not special here. I'm not accepting this interpretation anymore than I would someone saying Solas is an evil jerkwad. Because it's inaccurate, simple as that.

 

In short, don't bring stuff up if you don't like people challenging it.

 

Yeah, your lack of empathy is so edgy and original in today's society ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But like Nikki said, best we leave it at that.

[KarateKats]

On the topic of reunion songs, for me it's

Just for the lines;

"I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife"

 

It fits my Bunquiz x Solas headcannon. He's going to be punished for running away.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, your lack of empathy is so edgy and original in today's society ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But like Nikki said, best we leave it at that.

As are your comebacks.

 

By all means, go ahead.

[Heimdall]

I was like this too. I was way more invested in the mage/templar war, and the Chantry lore going into DA:I. My canon Warden was an Amell, and my Hawke was a mage too. Then Solas turns up with his lore and his stupid bald head and his stupid chucklesnort...and that was that

Edit for ToP: Elf powah biznatches.

http://watercolorteas.tumblr.com/

The exact same thing happened to me

My Warden was Dalish more interested in exploring human culture than his own. I was always more wrapped up in the Darkspawn or Mages and Templars. I was planning Qunari as my canon, my first playthrough I romanced Sera. Then that magnificent bald bastard blew my plans out of the water with my first Lavellan.

[Moirin]

Just for the lines;

"I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife"

 

It fits my Bunquiz x Solas headcannon. He's going to be punished for running away.

 

Not sure it that is a happy reunion song but thank you, I'll add it to my list.

[Addai]

Myself as well. 
 
I agree completely with all the evidence people put forth that suggests Solas is sexual. That's how I see him too. But clearly other people read him differently. I'm not going to be someone grabbing my toys and saying: 'no, its not this way and you are wrong to think that.' 
 
It is a game. I know we like to get amped up about sexuality, but that's only a minor part of most people's character. Solas has a lot of other sticks and stones to stumble over without that particular issue needing to be clarified. If people enjoy that he can be seen as a sexually 'safe' option, why not?
 
If the answer is 'because aesexual Solas people are shaming sexual Solas people'- well, obviously they are wrong. Sometimes the best option is to be the better person though. For every aggressive person I'm sure there's someone who finally feels like they have a romance that fits their particular personality.

For a story-based game, to make a character less fleshed out so that some people like him/her more, to me that makes the game less enjoyable. I would rather have characters be more developed and in realistic ways. The more arcade-y and game-y a game like this is, the more it reduces plausibility hence decreases my enjoyment of the game.

So, not arguing one way or another on Solas, but "why can't it just be left open" isn't the answer IMO. I'd rather have it established even if it goes against my current view of the character. To give another example, I used to defend Cailan and say he was probably smarter and more ethical than he appeared, then the writers came out and said he was planning to divorce Anora for Celene. That lowered my view of his character considerably (as did Alistair killing Yavana in the comics, come to think). My Theirin fangirlism fell by the wayside. But I started to see things more from Loghain's POV, and in the end it turned out to be a better story. It might not always work out that way, but I'd still rather have the story more fleshed out than less.
 

If you wanna blame something, blame society and its conditioning, because that's the real entity doing the harm to begin with, but don't you ever dare to ridicule and diminish people who try to fight it their own way, through whatever label making them feel accepted and humanized. That's just petty, and just make you look like assholes.

Hey, people can call themselves whatever they want. I'm an individualist. Vive la difference, etc. But the notions of subjective gender and sexuality end up getting pushed on other people, and that's my problem with those kind of activist enclaves. If it were just about individuals defining themselves- knock yourself out. Just don't expect anyone to go along or care.

[Illyria]

I'm not sure why this hasn't made it over to video games, but in literature critic the author's stated purpose isn't really considered to be the Word of God like it is here. There are entire schools of thought that completely ignore what the author says in their deconstruction. Those schools go a little too far IMHO, but I think it's sometimes fine (and even necessary) to disagree with the creators of any medium if it seems that the thing they've created does not match their stated meta-narrative. So what if Gaider wrote Fenris as M!Hawke x Fenris? Is there anything in the game that makes F!Hawke incompatible? Not really. So what if PW wrote Solas as sexual? Is there anything in the game that makes an asexual interpretation impossible? No. Are there things in the narrative that could contradict either of those interpretations? Maybe, but it's nothing so concrete that it couldn't be rationalized, and Bioware has certainly retconed more definite content (I AM LOOKING AT YOU HEADLESS LELIANA).

 

Point being, what the writers say outside of the context of the game shouldn't be the be-all, end-all of an interpretation. Their word doesn't make an idea less valuable.

Just want to say: Death of the Author is one of my least favourite school of literary criticism.  What the author says does matter.  They know the characters better than anyone, after all.  When I see people saying that, in their canon, Leliana is straight because they romanced her as a guy and never got any dialogue that implied she's into women (and interpreted her relationship with Marjorline as platonic) then I think they're an idiot.  Leliana is written as a bi character and this doesn't change if the player never sees anything to support this.

 

I do think there's room for interpreting things outside what the author may have meant (and I've done this myself) but I always careful to note that this is my interpretation, not what the author actually meant.

[CapricornSun]

So, to move on, I'm looking for happy Solas reunion songs, anyone have any suggestions?

 

I'll admit, the only reunion song I could think of at the moment is... well... Reunited by Peaches & Herb.

 

 

Seems fitting.

 

EDIT: ToP Solas again, eh?

 

 

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[Illyria]

To me it is. The romance makes more sense with a male PC, IMO. And since that's how it was conceived, I'm not going to fight it in order to establish my own canon.

 

Gaider writing Fenris' romance with m!Hawke in mind doesn't change how I feel about f!Hawke/Fenris.  He had to picture someone when he was writing it.  Dragon Age II isn't a book where Garrett Hawke is the hero and Fenris his love interest.  It's a game where you can play as a man or a woman and Fenris is a bisexual LI.  He could've flipped a coin to choose which perspective he wrote it from for all we know.

 

*insert an Isabela-like remark about establishing my canon here*

[Mims]

So, not arguing one way or another on Solas, but "why can't it just be left open" isn't the answer IMO. I'd rather have it established even if it goes against my current view of the character. To give another example, I used to defend Cailan and say he was probably smarter and more ethical than he appeared, then the writers came out and said he was planning to divorce Anora for Celene. That lowered my view of his character considerably (as did Alistair killing Yavana in the comics, come to think). My Theirin fangirlism fell by the wayside. But I started to see things more from Loghain's POV, and in the end it turned out to be a better story. It might not always work out that way, but I'd still rather have the story more fleshed out than less.
 

 

Well, sure. But I would argue that there's so much to clarify as far as Solas goes that sexuality becomes almost irrelevant. We'll never know the full picture. We'll only know the bits that are relevant. I just don't see that particular issue topping the list of things that really need clarifying as far as he goes.

 

Considering we're still debating whether or not he's actually an elf, immortal, villain, anti-hero, spirit, his relationship to Mythal, leader of a revolution, murderer of Felassan, instigator...ect. It just seems so insignificant in the scheme of things.

 

At this point, going against what was already said [that it is up to the player to decide], just seems silly. And would largely be done just so one faction of Solas fans can shake their bums at the other.

[Elessara]

Agreed with this, all of this, very much. The fact that they left it up to headcanon on if Solas and Lavellan had sex or not says to me that Solas is definitely not asexual, he's just letting your Lavellan lead when it comes to their intimacy, of course that means if someone's Lavellan is asexual he respects that, which is great.

 

I think a strong case could be argued on Solas being Demi-Heterosexual though (if from what I read about it I'm understanding it correctly).

 

If people want to advocate a character in Inquisition for asexual representation then I think their better bet is Cole tbh.

 

 

This accurately sums up my frustration with Solas on this topic. Also when talking about the orb just after Haven is destroyed (before you reach Skyhold) then it's our people too. Solas is so frustrating about this.

 

 

This was a couple pages back but I'm catching up ...

 

I think the flip-flopping on Solas' part (and the frustration we experience from that) come from Solas' own conflicting feelings regarding modern elves.  To some extent they *are* his people and to some extent they *aren't*.  He has little in common with modern elves but he feels a need to help them regardless.

[Moirin]

I'll admit, the only reunion song I could think off at the moment is... well... Reunited by Peaches & Herb.

 

Seems fitting.

 

I'll admit, I'd considered it.

 

This was a couple pages back but I'm catching up ...

 

I think the flip-flopping on Solas' part (and the frustration we experience from that) come from Solas' own conflicting feelings regarding modern elves.  To some extent they *are* his people and to some extent they *aren't*.  He has little in common with modern elves but he feels a need to help them regardless.

 

It could be and that makes sense. It doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

[Addai]

Well, sure. But I would argue that there's so much to clarify as far as Solas goes that sexuality becomes almost irrelevant. We'll never know the full picture. We'll only know the bits that are relevant. I just don't see that particular issue topping the list of things that really need clarifying as far as he goes.
 
Considering we're still debating whether or not he's actually an elf, immortal, villain, anti-hero, spirit, his relationship to Mythal, leader of a revolution, murderer of Felassan, instigator...ect. It just seems so insignificant in the scheme of things.
 
At this point, going against what was already said [that it is up to the player to decide], just seems silly. And would largely be done just so one faction of Solas fans can shake their bums at the other.

I don't see sexuality as irrelevant. My being a woman and liking the dudes is a pretty big part of my life. Also, PW said he left it up to the player whether or not Solas and Lavellan had sex. That is not the same thing as saying that Solas is playersexual- a concept the devs have rejected and said they never intended even in DA2. Our perceptions of Solas are subjective, and maybe PW will never tell us what he is, but he is something. If they go back on that towards playersexuality, that would be a step backwards in the storytelling, IMO.

[zambixi]

Just want to say: Death of the Author is one of my least favourite school of literary criticism.  What the author says does matter.  They know the characters better than anyone, after all.  When I see people saying that, in their canon, Leliana is straight because they romanced her as a guy and never got any dialouge that implied she's into women (and interpreted her relationship with Marjoline as platonic) then I think they're an idiot.  Leliana is written as a bi character and this doesn't change if the player never sees anything to support this.

 

I do think there's room for interpreting things outside what the author may have meant (and I've done this myself) but I always careful to note that this is my interpretation, not what the author actually meant.

 

I think there's some leeway either way. One shouldn't completely disregard the author's intent or accept it as Word of God. As a hypothetical example: let's say the writers announce that Alistair is 100% definitely Fiona's son. Great. Makes sense, and it's supported by the text/game. What about if they say he is 100% NOT Fiona's son, and is in fact the son of the servant woman (can't remember if she has a name). Also great. Supported by the game/text, though maybe not as well as the former scenario. Now, let's say that the writer's say that Alistair is in fact, the son of Shale. I'm not saying that nothing could bring me on to that idea, but as it stands there's nothing in the game that will make me think the writers would be doing anything other than trolling.

 

That's an extreme example just to illustrate my point. What the author says matters, but only if it is also supported by what is in the text/game/etc. The reverse of this would be the author denying something that seems to be supported by the text. Like if Bioware said that Cullen never had a crush on Amell/Surana. There's stuff in between too. JK Rowling said that Harry "should" have ended up with Hermione. But in the books she marries Ron. How does one interpret this? Does it matter (Harry Potter is a great book for these examples because Rowling says stuff all the time about what happened outside of the books)?

 

That's not to say readers should go bonkers with their interpretations. Most of us have probably had those moments where a teacher is trying to convince us that the writer's use of "blue sky" is evidence of their "free soul" or some other eye-rolling atrocity of analysis. But I think there's a middle ground here. A book without a reader/game without a player is sort of useless. It takes two parties to make an interpretation.