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[CapricornSun]

I'll admit, I'd considered it.

 

I think I found another song for you.

 

 

Lyrics:

Spoiler

Especially for you

I want to let you know what I was going through

All the time we were apart

I thought of you

You were in my heart

My love never changed

I still feel the same

 

Especially for you

I want to tell you I was feeling that way too

And if dreams were wings, you know

I would have flown to you

To be where you are

No matter how far

And now that I'm next to you

 

No more dreaming about tomorrow

Forget the loneliness and the sorrow

I've got to say

It's all because of you

 

[Chorus:]

And now we're back together, together

I want to show you my heart is oh so true

And all the love I have is

Especially for you

 

 

Especially for you

I want to tell you, you mean all the world to me

How I'm certain that our love was meant to be

You changed my life

You showed me the way

And now that I'm next to you

 

I've waited long enough to find you

I want to put all the hurt behind you

Oh,

And I want to bring out all the love inside you

Oh

 

[Chorus:]

 

You were in my heart

My love never changed

 

[Chorus:]

[MoonDrummer]

Aww, I wasn't even getting started.

 

 

No it's not, but I see you won't understand that, and as such will continue to judge people who do. As if your opinion on the matter was the best and unique one. Oh well, can't say it surprises me

 

 

You should never be surprised that I don't eat bull when presented before me on a silver platter.

 

[Moirin]

I think I found another song for you.

 

Lyrics:

Spoiler

Especially for you

I want to let you know what I was going through

All the time we were apart

I thought of you

You were in my heart

My love never changed

I still feel the same

 

Especially for you

I want to tell you I was feeling that way too

And if dreams were wings, you know

I would have flown to you

To be where you are

No matter how far

And now that I'm next to you

 

No more dreaming about tomorrow

Forget the loneliness and the sorrow

I've got to say

It's all because of you

 

[Chorus:]

And now we're back together, together

I want to show you my heart is oh so true

And all the love I have is

Especially for you

 

 

Especially for you

I want to tell you, you mean all the world to me

How I'm certain that our love was meant to be

You changed my life

You showed me the way

And now that I'm next to you

 

I've waited long enough to find you

I want to put all the hurt behind you

Oh,

And I want to bring out all the love inside you

Oh

 

[Chorus:]

 

You were in my heart

My love never changed

 

[Chorus:]

 

Awesome! Thanks!

[CapricornSun]

Awesome! Thanks!

 

No problemo! 

[Mims]

I'm not a fan of playersexual situations either. In hindsight, maybe I would have clarified in the game.

 

But why bother taking it away from people now that its already there? Sometimes you can't make everything perfect. It jived with that particular faction of people, and it doesn't hurt the story to leave it ambiguous.

 

Bioware is amazing for giving us romances that we can feel attached to. But it isn't a romance novel. We know Solas likes female Lavellan. How does he like her? Eh. Not really that important. The love is what is important. That's the bit that we'd see reflected in the character. 

[Elessara]

I'll admit, I'd considered it.

 

 

It could be and that makes sense. It doesn't make it any less frustrating though.

 

Oh, true enough.  There were times I wanted to grab Solas, shake him and yell, "Make up your mind!" 

[Delphine]

 

It's ok, mummy and daddy can have arguments, doesn't mean they don't like each other :3

 

[Illyria]

I think there's some leeway either way. One shouldn't completely disregard the author's intent or accept it as Word of God. As a hypothetical example: let's say the writers announce that Alistair is 100% definitely Fiona's son. Great. Makes sense, and it's supported by the text/game. What about if they say he is 100% NOT Fiona's son, and is in fact the son of the servant woman (can't remember if she has a name). Also great. Supported by the game/text, though maybe not as well as the former scenario. Now, let's say that the writer's say that Alistair is in fact, the son of Shale. I'm not saying that nothing could bring me on to that idea, but as it stands there's nothing in the game that will make me think the writers would be doing anything other than trolling.

 

That's an extreme example just to illustrate my point. What the author says matters, but only if it is also supported by what is in the text/game/etc. The reverse of this would be the author denying something that seems to be supported by the text. Like if Bioware said that Cullen never had a crush on Amell/Surana. There's stuff in between too. JK Rowling said that Harry "should" have ended up with Hermione. But in the books she marries Ron. How does one interpret this? Does it matter (Harry Potter is a great book for these examples because Rowling says stuff all the time about what happened outside of the books)?

 

That's not to say readers should go bonkers with their interpretations. Most of us have probably had those moments where a teacher is trying to convince us that the writer's use of "blue sky" is evidence of their "free soul" or some other eye-rolling atrocity of analysis. But I think there's a middle ground here. A book without a reader/game without a player is sort of useless. It takes two parties to make an interpretation.

 

Rowling never said that about Harry/Hermione.  It was journalists taking things Emma Watson said when talking to JKR out of context and it was cleared up the next day.

 

When writers start contridicting their own canon then it's different.  As fans we can - and should - correct them.  But throwing out evidence by the author that is supported by the text itself is just stupid.  In the Fullmetal Alchemist fandom there's a lot of people who ship Ed/Roy together.  A good fanfic writer will write the story so that Ed's love for Roy doesn't throw out that, canonically, Winry is one of the most important people in his life.  A bad fanfic writer will just throw out his entire love for Winry because it gets in the way of their headcanon (I've been looking for an excuse to bring up FMA for a while.  I actually see a lot of similarities between Hohenhiem and Solas and not just because they're both sexy older nerds.)

[NightSymphony]

Lovely conversations...have some art..

 

solas with long hair

http://lily-girl414....Solas-523303858

 

solas in blue

http://flurries.devi...-Blue-523257624

 

Lavellan

http://madamgoth.dev...ellan-523275739

 

Seriously...my Lavellen NEEDS a pet fox!

http://lily-girl414....t/Rin-523304518

[Mims]

 

Seriously...my Lavellen NEEDS a pet fox!

http://lily-girl414....t/Rin-523304518

 

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

[Colonelkillabee]

It's ok, mummy and daddy can have arguments, doesn't mean they don't like each other :3

 

 

And that's why I like this thread

 

But why bother taking it away from people now that its already there?

Is it though? That's the real question here.

[Delphine]

And that's why I like this thread

 

[Moirin]

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

 

We can't have a mabari because according to that story by Merril, mabaris don't like Fen'Harel.

[NightSymphony]

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

Out of likes..YES!!  We need pets!

[KarateKats]

We can't have a mabari because according to that story by Merril, mabaris don't like Fen'Harel.

But Merrill is Dalish and we all know how much they get right concerning Fen'Harel. ;D Maybe Solas x Mabari would be the bestest of friends!

[MoonDrummer]

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

Or my Shale!

[CapricornSun]

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

We can't have a mabari because according to that story by Merril, mabaris don't like Fen'Harel.

 

I wanted so badly to have a mabari. It's not the same without a mabari.

 

Or better yet, I want a pet wolf. I miss the 'Summon Wolf' talent that you get with the Ranger specialization.

[Mims]

Is it though? That's the real question here.

 

For the people who see it, yes. Otherwise this wouldn't be an issue that continues to come up. 

 

I get that some fans have been pretty awful on both sides about this issue. But I don't think we [people who view Solas as being sexual], need to harp down on the folks who see him otherwise just to justify how we read the character. It hurts no one. I'll eat my hat if whether or not Solas likes banging things becomes a major plot point. 

[Delphine]

I need pets period. Where is my nug! Or mabari! Or Storvacker! 

 

Storvacker sitting next to the throne everytime my Lavellan sits in judgments.

Lavellan riding Storvacker when she explores new areas.

Storvackers sleeping at the bottom of Lavellan's bed. Meaning Lavellan sleeps on the couch because Storvacker occupies the entirety of the big Orlesian bed. But Lavellan doesn't mind.

Storvacker chasing butterflies in Skyhold's garden, and scaring everybody shitless while doing so.

Storvacker putting her full-of-paint paws on Solas' mural, just to piss him off cause she knows he broke up with Lavellan and Storvacker hates to see Lavellan sad.

Storvacker and Cole having conversations Lavellan barely understands, while nobody else understand them at all.

Storvacker and Iron Bull having friendly fights to keep in shape.

Storvacker licking Cullen as if he was her cub everytime they all go in the war room, making Josie, Leliana and Lavellan laugh and mock him gently.

 

Basically, Storvacker, hells yeah.

[CapricornSun]

For the people who see it, yes. Otherwise this wouldn't be an issue that continues to come up. 

 

I get that some fans have been pretty awful on both sides about this issue. But I don't think we [people who view Solas as being sexual], need to harp down on the folks who see him otherwise just to justify how we read the character. It hurts no one. I'll eat my hat if whether or not Solas likes banging things becomes a major plot point. 

 

Well we do know that he may or may not have banged spirits.

 

I think I'll shut up and leave now... xD

[Mims]

Storvacker sitting next to my throne everytime I sit in judgments.

Lavellan riding Storvacker when she explores new areas.

Storvackers sleeping at the bottom of Lavellan's bed. Meaning Lavellan sleeps on the couch because Storvacker occupies the entirety of the big Orlesian bed. But Lavellan doesn't mind.

Storvacker chasing butterflies in Skyhold's garden, and scaring everybody shitless while doing so.

Storvacker putting her paws on Solas' mural, just to ****** him off cause she knows he broke up with Lavellan and Storvacker hates to see Lavellan sad.

Storvacker and Cole having conversation Lavellan barely understands, while nobody else understand them at all.

Storvacker and Iron Bull having friendly fights to keep in shape.

Storvacker licking Cullen as if he was her cub everytime they all go in the war room, making Josie, Leliana and Lavellan laugh and mock him gently.

 

Basically, Storvacker, hells yeah.

 

I need all of this. I wish Storvacker could at least be a mount. How amazingly badass would it be traveling around on the back of a bear? You don't mess with that! 

 

I could also see Storvacker being the mother of the group. Anyone feels down, and suddenly they've got this big smelly bear all over them, nannying. And mess with her 'cubs', and she will kill you dead. 

[Moirin]

I wanted so badly to have a mabari. It's not the same without a mabari.

 

Or better yet, I want a pet wolf. I miss the 'Summon Wolf' talent that you get with the Ranger specialization.

 

I want a sun bear, but I don't think they are indigenous to Thedas.

[Colonelkillabee]

For the people who see it, yes. Otherwise this wouldn't be an issue that continues to come up. 

 

I get that some fans have been pretty awful on both sides about this issue. But I don't think we [people who view Solas as being sexual], need to harp down on the folks who see him otherwise just to justify how we read the character. It hurts no one. I'll eat my hat if whether or not Solas likes banging things becomes a major plot point. 

See, my beef is, the status of a sexuality is a fact. Not something up for interpretation. Skyrim, that has playersexual npcs. This? Not stating a sexuality isn't playersexuality. If it was a thing, any gender could bang (or be with and not bang, whatever) the ol' wolf god. That isn't the case, however, which means there is an established sexuality... people just choose to ignore it.

[zambixi]

Rowling never said that about Harry/Hermione.  It was journalists taking things Emma Watson said when talking to JKR out of context and it was cleared up the next day.

 

When writers start contradicting their own canon then it's different.  As fans we can - and should - correct them.  But throwing out evidence by the author that is supported by the text itself is just stupid.  In the Fullmetal Alchemist fandom there's a lot of people who ship Ed/Roy together.  A good fanfic writer will write the story so that Ed's love for Roy doesn't throw out that, canonically, Winry is one of the most important people in his life.  A bad fanfic writer will just throw out his entire love for Winry because it gets in the way of their headcanon (I've been looking for an excuse to bring up FMA for a while.  I actually see a lot of similarities between Hohenhiem and Solas and not just because they're both sexy older nerds.)

 

Ah sorry, I didn't follow that particular Harry/Hermione story that closely. But you can substitute the example with "Dumbledore is gay". There's evidence of it in the text, but it's not absolute. Does one take her word as canon because she is the author? I've never seen FMA, so I can't really talk about your specific example, but I get the idea.

 

To be clear, I agree with you. Throwing out evidence by the author is stupid. But what I view as evidence and what another views as evidence can be vastly different. Sometimes, what an author is saying is "obvious," to me, while being opaque to someone else. The reverse happens too. I'd argue that there's a scale. At 0, you have something that's not mentioned at all in the text (e.g. Solas' favorite breed of bunny). At 10, you have something that is explicitly stated in the media (e.g. Solas hates tea). In the middle is a range of stuff with varying levels of support. And I might not always place a given fact at the same place that someone else would put it. An author's comment might move me one way or the other, as might a thoughtful analysis, but it might not.

 

I'm just not of the mind that there's very much that is concrete in ANYTHING. Of course there are things that I think are untrue or unlikely (e.g. when people say Solas is evil), but I'm hesitant to put my foot down and say "no this cannot be" on anything that's not a "10". So I'll tend to argue from that point. If we differ in this fundamental view, then it's going to be difficult to find common ground (which is still fine! I love talking about this stuff, even with people that don't agree).

[Mims]

I guess its just not a big deal to me. Fans will do as they want, they always have. If there's enough wiggleroom that someone is able to get more enjoyment out of the romance than they might not otherwise- I'm not going to stop them. 

 

I like the fact that the romance can attract all sorts of people. To me, that's part of what makes the romance so strong.