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[Addai]

I talk a lot of trash about her, but I think the irony of an elf being more faithful than the herald of andraste (depending on your response) is delicious. She's more devout than the lot of them when you look at it.

Her devotion seems more inspired out of fear than faith. I can't respect that.
 

i think it's surreal that people hate sera because she disrespects your elven heritage
 
you're not actually an elf?

I doubt any of us have problems grasping reality versus the game world. Sera's personal tics are just annoying. The devs even said they knew she would be a polarizing character. I already said, a few pages back, that what bothers me about her is the "child in a woman's body" thing. But her self-loathing anti-elf thing is up there, too.

[Sable Rhapsody]

But my Inquisitors know also that it is necessary to keep her around, because she's a breathe of fresh air when she wants to be, and because he point of views is something they don't want to forget. All other companions are mostly educated people, coming from privileged social classes, and she's the only one I'd consider coming from the lowest social class, and I wouldn't want my Inquisition to become a circle-jerk of people having the same opinion on everything.

 

This so much.  My Lavellan and Adaar weren't exactly privileged growing up, but they never had a hard time of it either.  And by the end of the game, regardless of backstory, the Inquisitor probably has more in common with the more privileged members of the Inquisition than they do with Sera.  

[Colonelkillabee]

Her devotion seems more inspired out of fear than faith. I can't respect that.

That's half religion to be honest. Everyone's afraid of something and seek comfort in it. Can't say I respect it, but I'd be a hypocrite to shame her for it since that used to be me as well.

[The Oracle]

Yeah, that whole "loving" god who punishes everyone with the horrors of the Blight because of what a handful of crazy magisters did 1000 years ago. Oh but wait, this one has a pretty voice! I may forgive everyone because she can hold a tune. Ooops, she's dead so nopes. Thousands of future innocents will be slaughtered mercilessly cause I'm just THAT temperamental.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, that whole "loving" god who punishes everyone with the horrors of the Blight because of what a handful of crazy magisters did 1000 years ago. Oh but wait, this one has a pretty voice! I may forgive everyone because she can hold a tune. Ooops, she's dead so nopes. Thousands of future innocents will be slaughtered mercilessly cause I'm just THAT temperamental.

 

If there's anything we've learned from the Solas romance, it's that gods can be turned by a pretty voice.  Or spirit.  Face.  Whatever 

 

(though really for Solas it was dat elf booty)

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, that whole "loving" god who punishes everyone with the horrors of the Blight because of what a handful of crazy magisters did 1000 years ago. Oh but wait, this one has a pretty voice! I may forgive everyone because she can hold a tune. Ooops, she's dead so nopes. Thousands of future innocents will be slaughtered mercilessly cause I'm just THAT temperamental.

The sad thing is, it would still be a more comforting thought than thinking you live in a world where something like the blight just naturally exists, and no pleasing of any god could ever take it away.

[Delphine]

The sad thing is, it would still be a more comforting thought than thinking you live in a world where something like the blight just naturally exists, and no pleasing of any god could ever take it away.

 

Yeah, people living in Thedas don't have much hope to hold onto to begin with, the poor things.

It's surprising to see that they haven't developed a very pessimistic religion yet, one in which they just accept their mortal fate and lack of control over anything.

[The Oracle]

I live in a world where malaria naturally exists (in my opinion of course). The Black Plague exists too, which I can't help but wonder if they based the Blight on this somehow. When it's accepted that someone won't just swoop in and save you, it places the emphasis on you trying to fix it yourself. Which we do now, via medical research and scientific advancement. Thedas is in the same boat.

 

While Solas may disagree with it, and it undoubtably could be a horrendous idea, when the Warden's suggested that killing the Archdemons in advance may stop Blights, at least they were trying to do something about it. They did use the principles of cause and effect, which Solas claims to be one of his beliefs. I would rather live in a world where you try to help and fail, than one where everyone ducks their head in fear and does nothing at all.

[Catfishers]

Yeah, people living in Thedas don't have much hope to hold onto to begin with, the poor things.

It's surprising to see that they haven't developed a very pessimistic religion yet, one in which they just accept their mortal fate and lack of control over anything.

 

There was that cult that worshipped the blight and wanted the world to end.

 

In retrospect I can kind of see where they were coming from.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, people living in Thedas don't have much hope to hold onto to begin with, the poor things.

It's surprising to see that they haven't developed a very pessimistic religion yet, one in which they just accept their mortal fate and lack of control over anything.

I imagine the existence of magic and being able to manipulate the world probably has a root in that, since the world started out with everyone controlling everything.

[Colonelkillabee]

I live in a world where malaria naturally exists (in my opinion of course). The Black Plague exists too, which I can't help but wonder if they based the Blight on this somehow. When it's accepted that someone won't just swoop in and save you, it places the emphasis on you trying to fix it yourself. Which we do now, via medical research and scientific advancement. Thedas is in the same boat.

 

While Solas may disagree with it, and it undoubtably could be a horrendous idea, when the Warden's suggested that killing the Archdemons in advance may stop Blights, at least they were trying to do something about it. They did use the principles of cause and effect, which Solas claims to be one of his beliefs. I would rather live in a world where you try to help and fail, than one where everyone ducks their head in fear and does nothing at all.

Thing is, having hope that someone will deliver you, even if it's someone as pathetic as the Maker seems to be, doesn't really keep you from doing for yourself. An example would be the knights in redcliffe that fought better thinking they had divine protection.

 

It's not something I can personally sign up for. Christians say the lord helps those who help themselves for a reason, which basically says you better not expect much from him, lol. But the point being is it acts as a motivator to do, rather than an excuse to sit on ass.

 

Edit: Example, the Inquisition.

Modifié par Colonelkillabee, 30 mars 2015 - 08:34 .

[The Oracle]

True, Cassandra is a good example of this. She keeps on plugging away despite it all. 

[Felya87]

 

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[Sable Rhapsody]

True, Cassandra is a good example of this. She keeps on plugging away despite it all. 

 

Cass is IMO one of the best examples of faith in a positive light.  Especially after we had so many fanatics in DA2, and a largely useless Chantry presence.  Her faith keeps her going when times are tough, but she doesn't use it as a crutch, or as a prop to justify her actions.  She takes responsibility for what she does, and trusts in the Maker to sort out the things that she can't do.  

 

The cynical part of me could chalk this up to the Faith spirit who touched her mind, but I'd rather not do that TBH.  Thedas has enough problems, and I'd rather give its heroes the benefit of the doubt.

[yetanothername]

"You're thinking backwards. You don't have faith because of the spirit. The spirit came because of your faith." - Cole

I like that this implies Cass questions it, as well. Also her conclusions about the Seekers losing their way once they decided truth had been found.

[The Oracle]

Yeah, I was kind of annoyed at the whole "faith" spirit thing. Why can't Bioware present something which is genuinely good as coming from the sole motivations of an individual? I would have been far more impressed if, instead, the spirit that took Justina's form had been a spirit which was formed entirely by Cassandra's faith. That would have been a far more interesting twist, IMHO.

[Colonelkillabee]

Cass is IMO one of the best examples of faith in a positive light.  Especially after we had so many fanatics in DA2, and a largely useless Chantry presence.  Her faith keeps her going when times are tough, but she doesn't use it as a crutch, or as a prop to justify her actions.  She takes responsibility for what she does, and trusts in the Maker to sort out the things that she can't do.  

 

The cynical part of me could chalk this up to the Faith spirit who touched her mind, but I'd rather not do that TBH.  Thedas has enough problems, and I'd rather give its heroes the benefit of the doubt.

"You're thinking backwards. You don't have faith because of the spirit. The spirit came because of your faith." - Cole

I like that this implies Cass questions it, as well. Also her conclusions about the Seekers losing their way once they decided truth had been found.

Well said Cole saves the day, no need for Cassynicsm Lol. So smile!

 

Ahh, she really is a fantastic character

[Sable Rhapsody]

I like that this implies Cass questions it, as well. Also her conclusions about the Seekers losing their way once they decided truth had been found.

 

DLC spoilers:

 

Spoiler

I loved the conversation between Ameridan and Cass about the Seekers.  I felt so, so bad for him since I told him the truth about Telana.  I'd basically delivered 800 years of terrible news to him in a few sentences.  But when he and Cass talked about the Seekers, and she said she's rebuilding them into an organization they can be proud of, I had all the feels.  In a few words, she and quizzy manage to show Ameridan that his sacrifice wasn't all for nothing.

 

*sniffle*  WHY COULDN'T I HUG HIM BIOWARE WHYYYYYY

[Illyria]

Yeah, I was kind of annoyed at the whole "faith" spirit thing. Why can't Bioware present something which is genuinely good as coming from the sole motivations of an individual? I would have been far more impressed if, instead, the spirit that took Justina's form had been a spirit which was formed entirely by Cassandra's faith. That would have been a far more interesting twist, IMHO.

 

Do you mean Cass' spirit of Faith?  I thought Cass attracted the spirit because she had, not that she had faith because of the Spirit.

[Cee]

Do you mean Cass' spirit of Faith?  I thought Cass attracted the spirit because she had, not that she had faith because of the Spirit.

 

This. And while Cassandra has a few doubts of her own accord, Cole reassures her, as noted in a post above, that it was attracted to her because of her faith.

[Delphine]

DLC spoiler Fanart (Yes, we were waiting for it, and people are starting to deliver, and I am squeeing over it and spamming it everywhere):

 

Spoiler

Source: http://shalizeh7.tum...use-new-dlc-yay

[BoscoBread]

Do you mean Cass' spirit of Faith?  I thought Cass attracted the spirit because she had, not that she had faith because of the Spirit.

Yeah. That was my take away as well. You spend a year in meditation reflecting on faith.  Spirits - the good kind - only traverse the veil when people are in need(truly) or so embody that trait that the spirit is compelled.  As we've found out with Solas, those kind spirits rarely feel the need to cross the veil because reality is so harsh and uninviting.

[BoscoBread]

DLC spoiler Fanart (Yes, we were waiting for it, and people are starting to deliver, and I am squeeing over it):

 

Spoiler

Source: http://shalizeh7.tum...use-new-dlc-yay

SQUEES FOR 800 YEARS AND DIES TRAGICALLY.

[The Oracle]

No, I dislike that a spirit had to be involved at all. It seems to be the fall back position for Bioware. If in doubt, it's the Fade/spirits/magic. While I enjoy this aspect, it's too much of a fall back in explaining some things. 

[Addai]

i think it's surreal that people hate sera because she disrespects your elven heritage
 
you're not actually an elf?

To expand on what I said earlier:
Sera's just very hypocritical. Her faith isn't faith and her egalitarianism isn't really equality because she won't extend it to elves who aren't assimilated to human, Andrastian culture. We all have blind spots, so these might factor into an interesting, flawed character, except she's so one-dimensional and extreme, she shows no sign of being able to grow out of it. Solas is stubborn and has his prejudices, too, but since he's a mature personality, he can consider other points of view and accept them or even change his own views.
 

That's half religion to be honest. Everyone's afraid of something and seek comfort in it. Can't say I respect it, but I'd be a hypocrite to shame her for it since that used to be me as well.

Well again, it's not so much that she has these aspects to her character, it's that she's extreme. She's basically a child, so her emotions rule her and prevent her from being able to move beyond the base instinct to something more considered. That's fine- if you're actually a child. In an adult who should know better, I have no patience with it. The Inquisitor shouldn't have to parent their allies.