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[Cee]

That would be an awesome character twist! I like it! Yes, that now has to be a thing if Solas dies.

 

 

 

Yes. Though, I do wonder if his decision not to tell her isn't so much because he was afraid she wouldn't be accepting of him or his plans but more because he's afraid she will be and he just doesn't want her involved in all of it. He'd rather she be safe.

I think, personally, it's probably a little of both. He clearly feels he must do whatever he plans to do alone and through Cole talks about not wishing his fate on those he cared about, but also his greatest fear is given as "dying alone", so that's a whole lot of layers of emotional wreckage.

[nikki-tikki]

I feel kinda lame for just noticing that party order pretty much determines world/situation dialogue. I usually put mages at the back of the conga line to keep them from being in the heat of battle I run head long into.

This playthrough I decided to have Solas second in line and now his comments take priority. So many things I haven't heard before.

It was like that in DA2 as well. I always made Fenris in that slot. 

[Heidirs]

I think, personally, it's probably a little of both. He clearly feels he must do whatever he plans to do alone and through Cole talks about not wishing his fate on those he cared about, but also his greatest fear is given as "dying alone", so that's a whole lot of layers of emotional wreckage.

 

Definitely a lot of layers. I mean, if his greatest fear is dying alone and he breaks off with Lavellan and Cole, probably to the two people who care about him most in this world... Like, damn. What the hell are you up to, Solas?

[BoscoBread]

I'm out of likes but i'll leave an iou here

 

 

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i absolutely agree on pretty much every point!

 

and jacob, ugh

they would never ever EVER DARE to do this to a female LI. Ashley will stay faithful and pining after you for years, kaidan starts seeing other women.

 

and yes, almost no one romanced jacob. there were literally more people who "romanced" morinth and let her give them a brain hemorrhage. 

but if it was strictly a question of resources, it cost resources ANYWAY to save those Cerberus scientists and speak to jacob about nothing in particular at the hospital.

 

"Drinks are on me!" he says with a forced air of jocularity and not at all insulted that almost no one likes him because he was the lone mentally stable, average g.i. joe on a ship full of aliens and psychopaths.

 

as for thane, they literally forgot he was an li. they just don't give a ****.

 

Plus this shitty passive aggressiveness towards people who enjoy it, like ugh if you hate your job so much just leave.

 

 

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i never romanced thane, his whole character just felt too calculated like a bunch of straight old men were trying to formulate what women find attractive and made this Frankenstein monster of tropes and boob windows.

 

that said, he did die in a hospital bed and it was INCREDIBLY stupid. get over yourself and take the stupid lung?! besides the fact that whether you romanced him or not everyone got the same scene.

 

i'm never giving them a pass on this, and it's not just romances

 

it's any player choice that you make and they either retcon or sacrifice to tell the story their way or bottleneck into a simpler world state.

 

 

 

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wynne and Mordin had amazingly well written deaths. it felt like a natural progression of their character arc, it impacted the story and it wasn't just a cheap ploy for drama.

 

I don't think they were killed off because the writers dislike the characters, if anything it elevated their status among the cast enormously.

 

i think thane was killed off because they dislike that particular part of the player base.

 

The ME team seems to take itself a little bit too seriously, and they threw the female-fantasy-frog man under the bus so they could sit at the big boy table with the other triple A fps games and talk about GUNS and WAR and MONSTER ENERGY DRINKS.

 

DAM DUDE.  I love you Phosphene, DON'T HURT ME.

 

So I was not involved in the fandom AT ALL - so I take this to mean that the Thane-mance was somehow viewed as lesser byt the devs.  Without this context, I thought it was fine for what it was. thin but whatever. Frankly, I didn't think any of them were that great in ME. I had more emo-pull from my friendships in those games. I stand by what I said, though, it was moving and I'm at peace with it.  Plus my Shepard died anyway so whatever. But it appears I didn't put too much thought into it...

 

I think I am more taken aback by - how many years later - people are still so upset by this game.  I DON'T UNDERSTAND.  I really don't. I'm not judging - it may sound like it - it's more that I am so confused.  It wasn't that awful. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Definitely a lot of layers. I mean, if his greatest fear is dying alone and he breaks off with Lavellan and Cole, probably to the two people who care about him most in this world... Like, damn. What the hell are you up to, Solas?

 

He's angling for a punch in the face and an arrow to the knee from my Lavellan, if he keeps this up 

 

As sad of a character as Solas is (and I do feel for him), at a certain point I get the impression that he's hell-bent on making himself miserable.  Out of some misguided sense of guilt or atonement or whatever.  And that's the element of his personality that makes me want to Shepard-punch him off a skyscraper.

 

 

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wynne and Mordin had amazingly well written deaths. it felt like a natural progression of their character arc, it impacted the story and it wasn't just a cheap ploy for drama.

 

I don't think they were killed off because the writers dislike the characters, if anything it elevated their status among the cast enormously.

 

i think thane was killed off because they dislike that particular part of the player base.

 

The ME team seems to take itself a little bit too seriously, and they threw the female-fantasy-frog man under the bus so they could sit at the big boy table with the other triple A fps games and talk about GUNS and WAR and MONSTER ENERGY DRINKS.

 

Off-topic:

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Personally, I prefer not to attribute motivations to the developers.  They're people, they make mistakes, and I highly doubt the problems with ME3 were a result of conspiracy against the fanbase that they depend upon for their livelihood.

[susanwb]

So, if we're sharing sad longing songs...

 

How about this one?  https://youtu.be/mqRKkS37wQ4

 

Oh, gracious love, you were so kind to me
You only broke my heart
Let my arms and legs stay strong
So I could swim upon the open sea
Searching for another love
Floating along aimlessly

Oh, where are you love?
Tell me where are you love
I will wait for you another night
Cause I know you won't leave me behind
Oh, where are you love?

...

 

Edit:  Title and band would be good, no?  Crooked Fingers, "You Must Build a Fire"

[Catfishers]

Definitely a lot of layers. I mean, if his greatest fear is dying alone and he breaks off with Lavellan and Cole, probably to the two people who care about him most in this world... Like, damn. What the hell are you up to, Solas?

 

I can't even think about the fact that he's afraid of dying alone anymore. It sets off the hellspiralling like nothing else.

 

I also feel a little bit like maybe he decided not to tell Lavellan who he was because living apart from her in a world where she still loves him is ultimately more bearable than having her turn away from him when she finds out the truth.

[Cee]

Definitely a lot of layers. I mean, if his greatest fear is dying alone and he breaks off with Lavellan and Cole, probably to the two people who care about him most in this world... Like, damn. What the hell are you up to, Solas?

 

 

and that is why this is now many of us:

 

 

[drake2511]

 

I can't even think about the fact that he's afraid of dying alone anymore. It sets off the hellspiralling like nothing else.

 

I also feel a little bit like maybe he decided not to tell Lavellan who he was because living apart from her in a world where she still loves him is ultimately more bearable than having her turn away from him when she finds out the truth.

 

 

You are a cruel human being.

[Catfishers]

You are a cruel human being.

 

If I'm gonna hellspiral we're all gonna hellspiral.

[Heidirs]

As sad of a character as Solas is (and I do feel for him), at a certain point I get the impression that he's hell-bent on making himself miserable.  Out of some misguided sense of guilt or atonement or whatever.  And that's the element of his personality that makes me want to Shepard-punch him off a skyscraper.

 

If that's his angle, then yes. He deserves a good smack.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ART!

 

Solas and his shadow

http://maeveschild.d...ansal-498190612

 

Solas Lavellan

http://maeveschild.d...raste-501289392

[Cee]

 

I can't even think about the fact that he's afraid of dying alone anymore. It sets off the hellspiralling like nothing else.

 

I also feel a little bit like maybe he decided not to tell Lavellan who he was because living apart from her in a world where she still loves him is ultimately more bearable than having her turn away from him when she finds out the truth.

 

One of the things that also gets me though is all the confusion she's left with at the end. He refused to tell her anything when he broke things off, he then later disappears, leaving a painting unfinished and making it seem like he was likely planning to return before the circumstances changed, the thing with talking through Cole, then Leliana bringing the truth about the town being a ruin and him completely disappeared and I had mine choose the "He never even said goodbye" sad reply. Leliana vows to keep looking but my Lavellan knows she feels guilty over not uncovering the deception earlier and is mostly doing this for her sake, knowing nothing will turn up if he doesn't want to be found.

 

I think mine would be able to handle the truth after all of her character development and the things she has seen (and having met Mythal in a form). I think she'd have a period of being a bit hurt, a little mindblown, and a little angry that he didn't trust her until very very late but I think she would ultimately be able to accept and love him.

 

 

Just I hope whatever loose ends and confusion they do choose to clear up in DLC make this feel at least somewhat better.

[RogueBait]

Ima let you finish but Jeff Buckley's cover is the best cover of that song ever. 

 

It's science.

 

Also Beirut, who uses a playing card and is awesome and Justin Timberlake (what?! it's ACTUALLY good, don't be a philistine.)

 

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Hahah. I dig your pop culture d-bag reference.

 

And aaah, Beirut! That's a great cover. Also, ukelele and a playing card. Could Zach Сondon get any cooler.

 

Yes, all you nerdy animation, programming specialists... Here's a KISS from the Solas thread!!!

 

Job done.

 

I would like to revise this to be entirely inclusive: All you awesome 3D/2D artists, designers, writers, directors and programmers, please take all of our love. ;D

 

I can't even think about the fact that he's afraid of dying alone anymore. It sets off the hellspiralling like nothing else.

 

I also feel a little bit like maybe he decided not to tell Lavellan who he was because living apart from her in a world where she still loves him is ultimately more bearable than having her turn away from him when she finds out the truth.

 

Y u breakin' my heart, doll? u_u And I think you're exactly right. I find if I think about the implications of Solas' worst fear as it relates to his life in depth for any length of time, I start to feel a bit sick to my stomach. Oh, Solas. Why can't you just be happy, you glorious fool.

[Dark_Rogue]

 

I can't even think about the fact that he's afraid of dying alone anymore. It sets off the hellspiralling like nothing else.

 

I also feel a little bit like maybe he decided not to tell Lavellan who he was because living apart from her in a world where she still loves him is ultimately more bearable than having her turn away from him when she finds out the truth.

 

Oh God whyyyyyyy?

 

WHYYYYYY?

 

Now I have this image in my head of him watching her from a distance as she carries on with her life and all the while longing for something he can never have...WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?!

 

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I do agree though, it seems Solas is a lot harder on himself that he should be, like he's not content unless he feels like he's punishing himself for his mistakes.  Then when he does feel happy, he feels guilty (and in his own terms "selfish") 

[Nehn]

I have an off topic question about the anchor (It's somewhat on topic because it's for a fic). So the Inquisitor can use it to travel into the Fade. Why can the Inquisitor not use the same Rift opening potential to leave the Fade?

Also for lyrium, do mages really touch the lyrium to enter the Fade? Or do they actually drink it and touching the lyrium was a hallucination?

Sorry I'm struggling for a theme for a fan fiction.

[BoscoBread]

I have an off topic question about the anchor (It's somewhat on topic because it's for a fic). So the Inquisitor can use it to travel into the Fade. Why can the Inquisitor not use the same Rift opening potential to leave the Fade?

Also for lyrium, do mages really touch the lyrium to enter the Fade? Or do they actually drink it and touching the lyrium was a hallucination?

Sorry I'm struggling for a theme for a fan fiction.

I think they actually could.  I read another fic that theorized this. I just think noone - including Solas(or if he does he's hiding it) - totally understands how it works.   There's an awful lot to the anchor that the game hasn't explored - they probably will in DLC - but I think that's the biggest one - can it be effectively used as a portal.

 

If you're asking if you could use that in a fic. I think you totally could, I think it would fit with game logic with some explaination about your Inquisitor studying the mark more intently now they have time etc.

[Illyria]

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I strongly disagree,  there was substantial evidence - provided in the game- that he could extend his life if he chose to, and there was very good reasons that he would have chosen to pursue these things when romanced.  I consider what happened to Thane as something similar to Solas being forced to die alone in future content, which would be horrible.  

 

I am also totally confident that the reason his ending was forced into one outcome was about saving resources rather than doing his story justice (not helped by the fact that his original writer had left BIoware in the meantime).  The same can be said for Jacob.  

 

What they did to players who had romanced Jacob is off the scale in WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF??  Was that supposed to be entertaining? seriously?  It is like they should have released it on 1st April bad.

 

Also, why is it the sick guy who has to die?  that's a total cop out as well, if they're going to go that way, why not forced death for everyone?  Why didn't they make it so Garrus died no matter what? or Liara?  that would have been a right laugh.

 

As you can probably tell,  I was very annoyed by ME3 and thinking about still gets me riled,  I trusted that BW would do good by all of their fans, but in their effort to save money and appear edgy the messed it right up.  I'd have been happier with just some letters from Thane saying he was getting a Lung transplant  etc etc, and one from Jacob where he was on an important mission - would have been better than what we got IMHO.  For those who didn't romance them, the content could have been as it was.

 

I will be annoyed if anything like this happens to Solas, and I am hopeful that it won't, but I know not to fully trust in BW to honour previous character arcs after ME3.  

 

I'm not a Thane romancer but I felt so angry at the devs over his romance.  The fact that, in game terms, he doesn't count as an LI is just an insult to all his fans.  As much as I loved the prayer that Shepard read after he died, I wish that had been romance exclusive and you guys had something in the game to call your own.

[Ardent Blossom]

So I was washing dishes and thinking about my "Solas theories." I guess you guys are spoiler taging DLC stuff. I don't have the DLC/haven't YouTubed it, so I think I'm safe.

 

New theory: Solas is not an ancient elf. He is an elf from the time of Shartan at the most. He's just playing host to a spirit (a new host taken after Shartan died or Shartan himself).

 

I was thinking about this because of Solas' end game tarot cards. One has a small Solas and a huge wolf...the other a large Solas and a small wolf. Perhaps this indicates which half of the joined entity (the spirit or the elf) is dominant. I know there are other ways to interpret the cards, but I think it works.

 

Remember when Solas thanks Cole for reminding him that he is not a spirit? Why would any unjoined person need this reminder? At first I thought, "Solas you fade nerd...you just wanna be cool like your friends." Now, I'm thinking he was having trouble reconciling with his two parts. Solas the fade nerd would rather be a spirit things are easier for him there. It explains Solas' internal conflict concerning Lavellan as well. He's literally of two minds. He can't have an arguement with the spirit within him, but perhaps their wills are somewhat in conflict nevertheless.

 

If Solas is a joined entity (like Anders or Flemeth) and not an 8000 year old elf mage/god I think this gives us hope for a positive conclusion. The question is who loves Lavellan? The elf, the spirit, or the new entity? Which might be left in the end? The tarot card might indicate a romanced Solas would be willing to try to "unjoin" himself from the spirit, if possible. I just hope he doesn't try to trick us into collecting bomb ingredients like Anders! Hmmm...I'll probably change my mind about this next week. 

[The Oracle]

I think they actually could.  I read another fic that theorized this. I just think noone - including Solas(or if he does he's hiding it) - totally understands how it works.   There's an awful lot to the anchor that the game hasn't explored - they probably will in DLC - but I think that's the biggest one - can it be effectively used as a portal.

 

If you're asking if you could use that in a fic. I think you totally could, I think it would fit with game logic with some explaination about your Inquisitor studying the mark more intently now they have time etc.

 

Yes, from the way she does it, while falling, it was like she opened the rift as a shock reflex, one she didn't intend and could probably not replicate again in a safe environment without a ton of practice. That's how I saw it anyway.

[phosphene]

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Personally, I prefer not to attribute motivations to the developers.  They're people, they make mistakes, and I highly doubt the problems with ME3 were a result of conspiracyagainst the fanbase that they depend upon for their livelihood.

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blech, David Gaider deleted his tumblr or i would find the reply

 

but he was talking about people who wanted to romance their "ali-bear" and have him be their "fluffy wuffy cuddle bunny" for the rest of the game and that was somehow bad and he wanted it to change. 

 

you don't think the way they handled Jacob was a little bit spiteful?

 

DAM DUDE. 

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urf i'm sorry my ire was not directed at you at all, i'm just being a nerd and i get worked up about nothing

 

[wildannie]

 

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I think I am more taken aback by - how many years later - people are still so upset by this game.  I DON'T UNDERSTAND.  I really don't. I'm not judging - it may sound like it - it's more that I am so confused.  It wasn't that awful. 

 

Well for me it was the literally hundreds of hours I had spent since ME1 creating Sheperds with different backgrounds, specs and a couple of LIs (Kaidan and mainly Thane), looking forward to an awesome conclusion, thinking that the franchise was the best thing ever, playing it incessantly to get away from some tough times in my RL, only to find it literally impossible to find a plausible route through the game with any of my Shepards, jeez after forcing the death of her LI the game didn't even allow her to voice her sadness, and her 'bro' Garrus even went on about not loosing anyone right after he'd died! next thing you know she's god Kaidan and Traynor hitting on her - not cool!   Then when I was finally not as pissed off anymore and tried to play my Kaidan romance,  I also realized that I found the gameplay boring.   However,  I don't dwell on it anymore, but when it's brought up, and I think about it, it still pisses me off,  I don't see that changing tbh. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm interested to see just what Solas is going to do if the Inquisitor drank from the Well and/or romanced him. I suspect the Solas DLC if you drank the well will have him mind-control you into not stopping him.

[Illyria]

So I was washing dishes and thinking about my "Solas theories." I guess you guys are spoiler taging DLC stuff. I don't have the DLC/haven't YouTubed it, so I think I'm safe.

 

New theory: Solas is not an ancient elf. He is an elf from the time of Shartan at the most. He's just playing host to a spirit (a new host taken after Shartan died or Shartan himself).

 

I was thinking about this because of Solas' end game tarot cards. One has a small Solas and a huge wolf...the other a large Solas and a small wolf. Perhaps this indicates which half of the joined entity (the spirit or the elf) is dominant. I know there are other ways to interpret the cards, but I think it works.

 

Remember when Solas thanks Cole for reminding him that he is not a spirit? Why would any unjoined person need this reminder? At first I thought, "Solas you fade nerd...you just wanna be cool like your friends." Now, I'm thinking he was having trouble reconciling with his two parts. Solas the fade nerd would rather be a spirit things are easier for him there. It explains Solas' internal conflict concerning Lavellan as well. He's literally of two minds. He can't have an arguement with the spirit within him, but perhaps their wills are somewhat in conflict nevertheless.

 

If Solas is a joined entity (like Anders or Flemeth) and not an 8000 year old elf mage/god I think this gives us hope for a positive conclusion. The question is who loves Lavellan? The elf, the spirit, or the new entity? Which might be left in the end? The tarot card might indicate a romanced Solas would be willing to try to "unjoin" himself from the spirit, if possible. I just hope he doesn't try to trick us into collecting bomb ingredients like Anders! Hmmm...I'll probably change my mind about this next week. 

 

This is a theory we tend to come back to every so often around here.

 

Personally, I'm Team Lone Wolf.  Solas was the Dread Wolf in Arlathan, and he's the Dread Wolf now.  No possession, no body swapping.  Just one very powerful elven mage.

[BoscoBread]

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blech, David Gaider deleted his tumblr or i would find the reply

 

but he was talking about people who wanted to romance their "ali-bear" and have him be their "fluffy wuffy cuddle bunny" for the rest of the game and that was somehow bad and he wanted it to change. 

 

you don't think the way they handled Jacob was a little bit spiteful?

 

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urf i'm sorry my ire was not directed at you at all, i'm just being a nerd and i get worked up about nothing

 

No hard feelings, vhenaaaaann!

 

Regarding the other thing -

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I'm with Sable on this.  There are SOOOO many people working on videogames. To attribute these decisions to one person is difficult.  Gaider is outspoken and lives with his foot in his mouth and may have totally said those things about Alistair.  Some fo the devs may have felt the same about Thane - I take it because he was the fangirl option(???) but it's still a group effort and I don't see  them risking the game out of spite. NOW, do i think they made some overall story mistakes for the sake of budget and time or just...not doing a good job. YES. Jacob's was terrible.  Maybe not spiteful, just bad.  I am really truly curious what they were doing there.  I wonder if it was because they had such a huge cast, not everyone could come back.  Maybe they though it was interesting(???) to have a character you can hate who is not an evil villain, just a douchebag. 

[Nehn]

New theory: Solas is not an ancient elf. He is an elf from the time of Shartan at the most. He's just playing host to a spirit (a new host taken after Shartan died or Shartan himself).

If Solas is a joined entity (like Anders or Flemeth) and not an 8000 year old elf mage/god I think this gives us hope for a positive conclusion. The question is who loves Lavellan? The elf, the spirit, or the new entity? Which might be left in the end? The tarot card might indicate a romanced Solas would be willing to try to "unjoin" himself from the spirit, if possible. I just hope he doesn't try to trick us into collecting bomb ingredients like Anders! Hmmm...I'll probably change my mind about this next week.

I think this is possible, but I personally hope not because it's been done before with Wynne and Anders.

Edit: Team Lone Wolf