Funny you should say that given that the devs said that had the Exalted March expansion for DA2 been made, the story would have involved more tragedy and grimdark. I suspect a LI or sibling would die.
In that case, thank the Maker such horror was never inflicted upon us.
And hopefully will not befall us in the future...
I totally agree with this so much. Some of the people on these forums are some of the most unlikeable people I have ever meet. When people so casually support genocide, rape, and supporting RL hate groups, I have to say this is indeed one of the worst forums I've ever been. I only exaggerate so much because I absolutely hate some of the people here and just want to annoy. If you ask me, the devs made the right choice in never coming to these forums.
That podcast made me need the blanket fort.
I guess I just can't quite get around his refusal to let her help. She's the leader of one of the most powerful organisations in Thedas, she's hardly some shrinking violet. It bugs me. I just feel like there has to be more there than just 'it's mad dangerous, yo.'
Have I told you lately....that I love you?!
Not today. I demand it once a day, at least.
Funny you should say that given that the devs said that had the Exalted March expansion for DA2 been made, the story would have involved more tragedy and grimdark. I suspect a LI or sibling would die.
I guess I just can't quite get around his refusal to let her help. She's the leader of one of the most powerful organisations in Thedas, she's hardly some shrinking violet. It bugs me. I just feel like there has to be more there than just 'it's mad dangerous, yo.'
I think what it is, is that it's his mistake and he feels he's the one who has to pay the price to fix it. She may be able to "handle" it, and I certainly don't think Solas sees her as a weakling, but why involve his loved ones and get them involved in something that he started? He just sees it as something he has to fix and doesn't anyone else, especially not someone he cares about, potentially get hurt because of it.
It's not a matter of strength. It's a matter of it being his fault. It's not fair to ask anyone else to join him.
I think what it is, is that it's his mistake and he feels he's the one who has to pay the price to fix it. She may be able to "handle" it, and I certainly don't think Solas sees her as a weakling, but why involve his loved ones and get them involved in something that he started? He just sees it as something he has to fix and doesn't anyone else, especially not someone he cares about, potentially get hurt because of it.
It's not a matter of strength. It's a matter of it being his fault. It's not fair to ask anyone else to join him.
That's fair. And probably my preferred read of the situation.
With a bit of 'also I am a reviled monster to her people' thrown in for angst. because i'm trashy.
I think what it is, is that it's his mistake and he feels he's the one who has to pay the price to fix it. She may be able to "handle" it, and I certainly don't think Solas sees her as a weakling, but why involve his loved ones and get them involved in something that he started? He just sees it as something he has to fix and doesn't anyone else, especially not someone he cares about, potentially get hurt because of it.
It's not a matter of strength. It's a matter of it being his fault. It's not fair to ask anyone else to join him.
This and she distracts him, gives him hope and draws up not merely a sense of romantic and/or sexual desire in him, but more than that. When he apologizes for distracting her, it's really him who realizes that he was tempted to tell her the truth and stay with her. He almost lost himself and lost sight of his goals, and this from the man who can say to never lose sight of your goals and to do nothing that doesn't further them. Well, the fool went and fell deeply in love. 
Couple that with his immense guilt, regret, weariness, and his feeling that whatever he has to do, he has to do alone despite his deep fear of dying alone and it's not so much that he's self-loathing but that he turns things around. He seems more or less afraid to want, to let himself want, even though he can and does still find himself capable of strong attachments, passion, and desire (and not even just for romance - the friendship also runs deep and comes with a heap of respect unless you very seriously take the dislike path). He uses words like selfish where they're possibly too strong. It's not that he necessarily doesn't feel like he deserves things but that he feels like he must minimize his attachments and even normal desires, to want. He sort of admires Cole for being 'pure' and uncomplicated, because his desires are outward and not generally conflicted. His purpose is pure. He even asks if Cole has felt any desire for women since coming though the Veil and Cole doesn't feel sexually drawn to anyone. Solas, on the other hand, has what we might call normal desires, but also layers upon layers of hurt, regret, and guilt. He's more self-denying than self-loathing.
The only thing potentially selfish is that he does tell you he intends to leave, or at least that he will stay until the Breach is closed, and later, until the orb is recovered, and the whole "kinder in the long run" thing could be read as 'he knew he'd be gone anyway'.
But, I've said it before and the fact he talks like he's coming back and leaves an unfinished painting make it seem like he really didn't just plan to take off suddenly and indeed, his plans did change.
I don't think we're really at a place where we can discuss what his motives were just yet. The game is not written from the perspective of Solas being a romance option. I do think there's a high risk of danger involved in what he's doing- but we can't really blame him for not inviting her along. The story has to stop somewhere. Solas can't introduce a plotline in the last hour of the game if they have no intention on fulfilling it.
At the moment his reasons could span from: I have to keep waifu safe ------> I am evil now, vhenan.
That podcast made me need the blanket fort.
I guess I just can't quite get around his refusal to let her help. She's the leader of one of the most powerful organisations in Thedas, she's hardly some shrinking violet. It bugs me. I just feel like there has to be more there than just 'it's mad dangerous, yo.'
It depends on what it is. He might not think she'd help, who knows. But he just met her a few months ago. It's not like they're married.
I am evil now, vhenan.
And I think we can all hear that in his voice and laugh. Or maybe cry, who knows.
Yeah, I didn't really get a protect-my-poor-flower vibe. Definitely a "you are a distraction I cannot afford" vibe, though. Additionally, and I dunno if it's just me, but an "I am a distraction you cannot afford" vibe. You might get all the way there (wherever there is) and be having the source of second thoughts staring at you. And, well, romanced or not, I probably wouldn't take my girlfriend to go absorb my we-go-way-back goddess friend. Maybe.
I just assumed she wasn't part of the plan. The argument of "she's one of the most powerful people in Thedas" has always seemed like a potential negative, to me, rather than an obvious positive. Whatever the player feels, isn't the character something of a very powerful wild card? Not suggesting that is the only reason (if anything, I am suggesting there is not a single reason, caveman complex or otherwise 
), but he's not exactly a throw-myself-pointlessly-in-danger-to-save-the-girl type...
Oh man I love your comment. I feel the same away about our current relationship with the devs.
I'll believe Aaryn when he said they'll work on improving things here for future games.
It depends on what it is. He might not think she'd help, who knows. But he just met her a few months ago. It's not like they're married.
Timeline places the events of the game as happening about over the course of a full year. He would've met her right at the beginning of that. Given time to get settled and all that, it's somewhere within there. People can fall pretty deeply in love and get to know one another in a year.
Timeline places the events of the game as happening about over the course of a full year. He would've met her right at the beginning of that. Given time to get settled and all that, it's somewhere within there. People can fall pretty deeply in love and get to know one another in a year.
A whole year? They didn't do a good job showing that if that is true. Either way, what's one year to a man that's lived thousands. All the time he spent thinking about this... I wouldn't gamble on a plan that's, to quote cornflakes "a thousand years in the making", maybe more, I don't know, on someone I've known for maybe a single year.
I had to look up the timeline myself afterward, but it becomes a matter of weighing it all, I suppose, and there's a lot at stake in what he seems to want to do, so it's understandable in those terms, but again, most of the people he has known, as well as the world he knew.....they're all gone. Even should he want to try to restore the elves to something greater, it probably wouldn't be exactly the same. But we know little yet.
Still, such a tragic character, and that's partly why he's so interesting. We need more.
Timeline places the events of the game as happening about over the course of a full year. He would've met her right at the beginning of that. Given time to get settled and all that, it's somewhere within there. People can fall pretty deeply in love and get to know one another in a year.
Is that official? I thought we were still waiting for official word on the timeline. Some people were speculating Inquisition could take place over three years.
Is that official? I thought we were still waiting for official word on the timeline. Some people were speculating Inquisition could take place over three years.
I just kind of went off the wiki, things like TME, and such and notes and codex entries and I think it spans a timeline between 9:40-9:41 Dragon. I'd love to have a sold answer though.
I thought the time line was 3 years. I don't remember where I read that.
Is there actually a concrete timeline for Inquisition now? I thought the devs were still trying to work that canon out, since depending on how many of the side-quests you do, your impression of the length of time passed over the course of the game will change. It could vary greatly.
Well said. Though I haven't personally witnessed the crazy assholes/drama perpetuating mouth breathers (thank you, Solas thread, for rockin' so hard), it's extremely disheartening to hear the extent of abuse "fans" were whipping around at the developers here. :/ Anonymity really does turn some people into total bastards. It's a shame.
Today has not been a big new art day...but here are a few
http://cptducky2144....raves-524118060
http://kaelacroftart...ahari-524035276
http://virenn.devian...or-dA-524115794
Well said. Though I haven't personally witnessed the crazy assholes/drama perpetuating mouth breathers (thank you, Solas thread, for rockin' so hard), it's extremely disheartening to hear the extent of abuse "fans" were whipping around at the developers here. :/ Anonymity really does turn some people into total bastards. It's a shame.
There there. Just think of Solas saying "Sleep well?" And everything is suddenly better.
On the topic of Solas leaving (both Lavellan and the Inquisition in general), I honestly suspect his motivations aren't super complex or even all that carefully considered. At least, not at the point of the story we're at with Solas when we see him last.
In the case of Solas ending the relationship with Lavellan, I think he pretty much did so out of what he judges to be necessity, after his knee-jerk reaction of fearfully shying away from the conversation he means to have. We know he's planning to tell her the actual truth when he takes her to the bone grove, but when it comes down to it, he gets cold feet and bails. At that point, I think he realizes his options are A.) Stay with Lavellan, keep quiet about the truth and abandon whatever it is he's doing (which he entertains for a moment), or B.) Stay true to himself, which means he must part from Lavellan, since he is too afraid to tell her the truth. Primary motivator: fear.
Uh, bye Lavellan! It's not that I've logically thought this out beforehand; it's that I've **** my pants because I'm so scared cuz' I love you so much and am terrified of the potential ramifications of my confession for so many reasons.
In the case of him leaving the Inquisition after Coryphetits' defeat, I think it was another plan B scenario for Solas (which the unfinished mural would suggest), in order for him to get the power he needed for whatever he's doing, since he wasn't expecting his orb to break. We can't know whether he's planning to return to the Inquisition or to Lavellan after the post-credits stinger, so I think it's going to be tricky to determine any motives for things that go beyond this.
TL;DR: My take is that Solas' primary motivator in leaving Lavellan is his fear of her reaction to the truth, and his departure from the Inquisition to go suck Mythal's power from her face was ad hoc.
Edit: I feel like I've maybe said this before, sorry if I'm parroting. It's meant in response to the whole "Solas leaving to protect Lavellan" thing, particularly. 
My turn for art. 
Not much Solavellan today but here it is:
There are some Solas arts though:
Lavellan trying to choose a LI. 
DA cosplay at ECCC. 
Also, just wondering, does the thread title seems a bit... lacking? 
EDIT: This just appeared on my tumblr dash. Solas and Lavellan comic by limpstella.
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