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[Taelaa]

I come here with nothing of real substance...

 

PSYCHE!

 

Have my art, TAKE IT. *frenzied breathing*

Spoiler

 

Love me.

 

Edit: Yessss, I'm so sly, I get immediate ToP. 

 

This is sooo beautiful.          Can I be your apprentice?

[Taelaa]

Hahahahahah I'm dyyyiiiinngggg!

 

lol, I know! I had the same reaction! Then I think about how many Lavellans I've thrown at him.... 

[Addai]

I would characterize Sera as an anarchist, Solas as a materialistic utilitarian

Yes, that sounds about right. He doesn't evaluate actions based on absolute moral principles but on the result they produce. That's how he can approve of something ruthless, and then turn around and approve of something cuddly. And since Thedas is a shithole on a large scale, he disapproves of all of it, until he comes across individuals or individual acts that go against the rule.

[yetanothername]

But one would have to be rather intellectually dishonest with oneself to say they hate religion, especially when there are many religious practices that did not lead to war and corruption.

 

*reptilian eyes growing progressively wider at perceived challenge of making an argument for anything*

 

...

 

*scurries back to cave for ten years to rearrange rocks and scratch rough thesis on the walls*

 

(In seriousness I am generally skeptical of anything following the word 'hate' that's broader than, say, pepperoni. It's like hating an ocean, what does it even mean? It really is difficult for me to not make the attempt when a challenge presents itself, though. Not sure what that says about me...)

[NightSymphony]

Art time

 

Happy Easter - it's eggcellent

http://queennadine09...Solas-524387182

 

Sadness

http://milkytwilight...-rain-524369791

 

Innocence

http://slugette.devi...ellan-524304964

 

 

Not Solas...but I love this!! Cullen Smith and Dalish

http://k-yon.deviant...MATED-524328918

 

 

Also..I was sad yesterday so I drew a couple sad Lavellan things.  I'm a horrible artist, but Photoshop is my friend.

http://wyntersosltic...erSosltice&qo=1

 

http://wyntersosltic...erSosltice&qo=0

[Siha]

(and I am not prepared to 'have faith' in something that clearly doesn't have the power, or alternatively doesn't care to prevent all the terrible cruelty and injustice that exists in the world)

 

This is something I find interesting; many atheists say this. I am an atheist, but this argument does not work for me. What is the alternative, a perfect world? A world where something (god) makes everything good, where there's no fear, no darkness at all? What are we then, if we never know anything negative? Would we still feel much of anything at all? I think that if there is nothing bad, then we won't appreciate the good things as much either.

Also, on a rational level, if murder, sickness, accidents etc. did not happen, what would our world be like? We are overpopulated already as it is.

 

Actually, I often ponder about this; if our world would really be a better place if all negative things were removed. And if there was something that miraculously makes everything good, if people themselves would not need to work anymore to improve things, if there was nothing to fight for... what would we be like?

Faith (not meaning religious abuse now) is meant to make people work and improve, because "god helps those who help themselves". This is an aspect I appreciate tbh.

 

Exactly. Your problem isn't with Religion, but the people that abuse it. 

 

See quote above, she also has a problem with religious faith itself.

[Heidirs]

Fun thing! I created a Sollavellan video using fanart, and now I have to contact all the artists and ask if it's okay to post it. I've heard back from about half so far, and they've all said yes. 

[Colonelkillabee]

See quote above, she also has a problem with religious faith itself.

That's more personal and not something I really cared to address. What someone believes in, or doesn't believe in, as it applies to their personal life is their own business and none of my concern. Problem with religion as how it is applied by others however, that's different. That's something that involves many people including myself, and those that consider themselves a part of the faith.

[yetanothername]

The preferred explanation is usually something along the lines of, if there was a supreme deity, to have it fix any singular problem would necessitate the fixing of all subsequent ones (or prior, all being related), relegating its creations to a dolls-playing-house status rather than those who enjoy free will - for better or worse. (As well as the no-light-without-dark angles, of course, says edit.) Your parents cannot do your homework for you. Your counselor cannot fix your marriage. I have found myself in the very strange (for me) position of something like religious advisor to people who believe in the big parts I reject but struggle with the parts I think are figuratively valuable, heh. It's a strange world.

 

It may or may not be relevant that I am an apostate. "many atheists say this. I am an atheist," made a smile, and then a laugh-at-me. Atheist is one of many labels I confused conversations with for some time, in an unwillingness to identify with a word that has become for many an identity. "So you are an atheist?" "I don't know that I would use the word." "Are... you a theist?" "No." "No theism?" "No." "So... a(not)theist...?" "Okay yes, that's the logical answer, but I don't know that I am prepared to join the mailing list or pay any membership fees." "..."

[NightSymphony]

I believe in balance. There has to be bad for their to be good. To me, that is a perfect world. Of course, it would be nice for their to be less bad, but I don't think that is possible.

There are two sides to every coin.  I do not like extremes though. I don't think it is possible for their to be complete evil and complete good. Gods and Goddess in Ancient times were both good and evil. I think that's what religions of today are missing. God is not 100% love and kindness and sunshine and rainbows. The Devil is not all evil and darkness and death and sickness. 

 

Blah..I'm rambling again.... way out of topic here.

 

This is one reason I love Solas so much..he is both good and bad. He is balanced.  There..I made this topic relevant. :-P

[Maria13]

The preferred explanation is usually something along the lines of, if there was a supreme deity, to have it fix any singular problem would necessitate the fixing of all subsequent ones (or prior, all being related), relegating its creations to a dolls-playing-house status rather than those who enjoy free will - for better or worse. (As well as the no-light-without-dark angles, of course, says edit.) Your parents cannot do your homework for you. Your counselor cannot fix your marriage. I have found myself in the very strange (for me) position of something like religious advisor to people who believe in the big parts I reject but struggle with the parts I think are figuratively valuable, heh. It's a strange world.

 

It may or may not be relevant that I am an apostate. "many atheists say this. I am an atheist," made a smile, and then a laugh-at-me. Atheist is one of many labels I confused conversations with for some time, in an unwillingness to identify with a word that has become for many an identity. "So you are an atheist?" "I don't know that I would use the word." "Are... you a theist?" "No." "No theism?" "No." "So... a(not)theist...?" "Okay yes, that's the logical answer, but I don't know that I am prepared to join the mailing list or pay any membership fees." "..."

 

In future when someone asks me if I am an atheist I will just say I believe in "Cause and effect..." I think that's as good a reply as any...

[yetanothername]

In future when someone asks me if I am an atheist I will just say I believe in "Cause and effect..." I think that's as good a reply as any...

 

Ha! Yeah, you caught the exchange that resonated with me, too.

[Maria13]

Ha! Yeah, you caught the exchange that resonated with me, too.

 

It is a rather brilliant reply...

[Cee]

 

And NSFW Solavellan by osatokun. Not full blown sex, but there's nudity and it's sensual.

 

 

This is so beautifully sweet and simple. Love it.

[Kestrel]

Blah blah blah chapter five. though really it's like chapter four and a half because I was unsure whether I wanted to take it in a smutty direction, so I just sort of ended it abruptly while I debated and waited to hear from people as to whether or not that was something they were into.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/8112561

[Siha]

Atheist is one of many labels I confused conversations with for some time, in an unwillingness to identify with a word that has become for many an identity.

 

Not an identity for me, just an attribute of mine. I could say I am an agnostic, because I do not know if there is a god. But until I see him, I tend to doubt his existence more than I assume the possibility.

But I just have my own views on this "good god" thing. I compare it to parents. Sometimes you scold a child to keep it from harming itself in the future. That does not make you bad. Just when god scolds it tends to be more... rough. Then again, he has all of humanity to take care of, which might just require more aggressive methods. Or maybe I see it too rationally because I don't believe in it in the first place. Or I'm just a bit dumb, I wouldn't know.

[yetanothername]

I also like when it is pointed out that it is the people who have the power to create change. When someone passes by a problem on the road and asks a god why they allow such things, some versions of faith respond that the god has placed that person there to act, not pray for intercession. To me, this is related to your 'god helps those that help themselves' angle in terms of helping others, as well.

 

And no intention to imply identifications on your part, apologies in case that came across. If anything, I inferred a more independent evaluation from the "many x say this" "I am x" statement. It just made me laugh at myself.

[Siha]

And no intention to imply identifications on your part, apologies in case that came across. If anything, I inferred a more independent evaluation from the "many x say this" "I am x" statement. It just made me laugh at myself.

 

Oh, don't worry. In general, it's pretty hard to offend me because I don't take things personally (or even as an insult at all) unless you explicitly address me with "Siha, you idiotic b*tch". And even then I might not care. My tolerance level is pretty high and I'm not the delicate type. I also was not annoyed or thought you meant to imply anything. Otherwise I would have told you explicitly.

 

And I am one atheist, just not one of many. I am a very special snowflake.

[yetanothername]

Otherwise I would have told you explicitly.

 

Even when put into practice, this is often more comforting to me than most people believe

[The Oracle]

Ah, who knows. I just wish that there was a way that the decision to chose a religion was kept till you were 18 or something. They just lay them all out, explain each one and say "You can take your pick if you want, you're always allowed to return it whenever you wish or to exchange one for another. If nothing appeals, then feel free to go on your way. Have a lovely day!". That of course, is wishful thinking given that most people who hold to one belief or another, it's usually due to the influence or belief's of family and friends as you grow up. 

 

I'm very much a humanist. I believe the best and worst of this world is entirely of our own making and choice. Anything from here on out, it's in our hands. If there's some higher power, it's got the best stealth buff ever known. So we just try to do our best to make our lives and everyone's around us as happy and as fulfilled as we can without sh*tting everything up for the future. We may need to work a little harder though...come to think of it.

 

[EDIT: I seem to have killed the thread. I'm sorry. I take it back. I believe in Solas as my one and only god. Cole is a demi-god. I worship him ever other Thursday. I release bunnies at his alter. Solas will only accept frilly cakes.]

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm very much a humanist. I believe the best and worst of this world is entirely of our own making and choice. Anything from here on out, it's in our hands. If there's some higher power, it's got the best stealth buff ever known. So we just try to do our best to make our lives and everyone's around us as happy and as fulfilled as we can without sh*tting everything up for the future. We may need to work a little harder though...come to think of it.

 

I love being able to play an essentially humanist quizzy.  Especially the line that you can give Corypheus at the end: "I don't believe in gods."  It's not that quizzy doesn't believe powerful entities exist.  Every quizzy meets Mythal in some form and walks with the Dread Wolf.

 

Rather, quizzy doesn't think there's anything inherently special about gods or the concept of divinity.  Gods are backed by power and belief, two things that anyone can accrue.  And usually, they're indifferent jerkfaces, so why bother with them?  Such a badass line right before filling Corypheus with arrow holes.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Oh, there's also the line you can give Mother Giselle.  "All of this happened because of fanatics arguing over the next world.  It's time we started believing in this one."

 

Humanist quizzy FTW.  Or I suppose since I was playing with Lavellan, people-ist quizzy 

[Cee]

I love being able to play an essentially humanist quizzy.  Especially the line that you can give Corypheus at the end: "I don't believe in gods."  It's not that quizzy doesn't believe powerful entities exist.  Every quizzy meets Mythal in some form and walks with the Dread Wolf.

 

Rather, quizzy doesn't think there's anything inherently special about gods or the concept of divinity.  Gods are backed by power and belief, two things that anyone can accrue.  And usually, they're indifferent jerkfaces, so why bother with them?  Such a badass line right before filling Corypheus with arrow holes.

 

I didn't have that option in mine, but I do like that it exists.

 

I think there's some great character development that (a bit subtly) can take place through your choices on the religion front. I chose to start out as RPing it closely Dalish "I believe in elven gods" etc and then taking my cues from the events, discussions with people including Solas, and then the events at and after the Temple of Mythal, altering her viewpoint as she learns to something much more open-minded and less solid. Even something like the decision to remove her vallaslin was a product of that character development and open mind and signified a fresh start in her mind by then. There's culture, religion, and race and assorted politics with all of them and I like to imagine she's been figuring out, amid all of these things, how to forge her own path.

 

Though she does have experience that shows the elven pantheon is real in some form (even without knowing about Fen'Harel), I like , as you're saying, how you can turn from devout to essentially believing the concept of "god" is twisted and used than independently divine.

 

In real life, I left religion long ago, so I really like how all of these systems are something you can approach with a critical eye (or a devout one if you choose).

[Janic99]

New fan vid of Solavellan + Culquisitor

[panamakira]

I come here with nothing of real substance...

 

PSYCHE!

 

Have my art, TAKE IT. *frenzied breathing*

Spoiler

 

Love me.

 

Edit: Yessss, I'm so sly, I get immediate ToP. 

That is beautiful OMG!