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[BoscoBread]

I love being able to play an essentially humanist quizzy.  Especially the line that you can give Corypheus at the end: "I don't believe in gods."  It's not that quizzy doesn't believe powerful entities exist.  Every quizzy meets Mythal in some form and walks with the Dread Wolf.

 

Rather, quizzy doesn't think there's anything inherently special about gods or the concept of divinity.  Gods are backed by power and belief, two things that anyone can accrue.  And usually, they're indifferent jerkfaces, so why bother with them?  Such a badass line right before filling Corypheus with arrow holes.

Yeah. That's exactly how I played my Inquisitor - oddly religion is the only thing I truly role-play in these games. I have a lot of fun building each characters sort of "faith profile" so-to-speak.  My Lavellan was like yours.  She knows powerful beings exist but so does magic.  A lot of things can be explained through science/experimentation/magical theory.  LIke when she met Mythal, she was like 'hey what up?'.  I think even if she meets the entire elvhen pantheon she's just going to be like 'shrug...neat'.  She'd be more interested in their knowledge...or absorbing their power.

 

Though, as a player, now I feel really bad for Cory(Giton had a lot to do with it).  But even when I first played it, his line before the end is very powerful. BW really did his writing an injustice and they really only get to his crises of faith(which is super sad) through a few codex entries and that one dam line. 

 

My lady trev, on the other hand, she's a cafeteria andrastian.  she's noble so it's just sort of ingrained.  she wasn't like 'lol guys im the herald...andraste speak through me!!!!' but she was like 'the maker has a path for me' **** like that. 

[Cee]

Blah blah blah chapter five. though really it's like chapter four and a half because I was unsure whether I wanted to take it in a smutty direction, so I just sort of ended it abruptly while I debated and waited to hear from people as to whether or not that was something they were into.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/8112561

 

This is leading somewhere. Go there.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Though she does have experience that shows the elven pantheon is real in some form (even without knowing about Fen'Harel), I like , as you're saying, how you can turn from devout to essentially believing the concept of "god" is twisted and used than independently divine.

 

It's going to be pretty hilarious when/if Solas turns up again.

 

Solas: Vhenan, I'm the Dread Wolf.

Lavellan: Figures.

Solas: You're...not surprised.  Frightened?

Lavellan: *disgusted noise* A**hole, I'm pissed as all hell that you just left without telling me any of this.  But please.  You're the guy who likes frilly cake and can't hold his liquor.  I'm quaking in my halla slippers over here.

Solas: I...suppose you have a point.

 

 

My lady trev, on the other hand, she's a cafeteria andrastian.  she's noble so it's just sort of ingrained.  she wasn't like 'lol guys im the herald...andraste speak through me!!!!' but she was like 'the maker has a path for me' **** like that. 

 

My Adaar's "faith profile" is so much fun to play.  He's like the people at the nice, chill Methodist church down the street from me when I was growing up in Minnesota. All like, "Sure, the Maker's probably a chill bro, and I'm down with Andraste."  If anything, he mostly likes the Herald title because it means that people LIKE him instead of just assuming he's some sort of brutal, fanatical qunari monster.

[Nehn]

I come here with nothing of real substance...
 
PSYCHE!
 
Have my art, TAKE IT. *frenzied breathing*

Spoiler

 
Love me.
 
Edit: Yessss, I'm so sly, I get immediate ToP. 

I love your art! She looks almost like my inquisitor!

[Nightspirit]

Though, as a player, now I feel really bad for Cory(Giton had a lot to do with it).  But even when I first played it, his line before the end is very powerful. BW really did his writing an injustice and they really only get to his crises of faith(which is super sad) through a few codex entries and that one dam line. 

 

I've felt bad for Corypheus since my first PT. I chose the templars so I didn't see what the future would really look like if he won. He genuinely seemed to believe that he was doing something good and for a long time a little voice kept nagging at me, saying: 'maybe he is on to something'. The codexes, his memory crystals and endgame dialogue only made it worse. When I got around to choosing the mages, I saw that the world he created was horrible, but nevertheless, the sympathy remained.

Initially I felt like he wanted to give people something to believe in, because the gods seemed to be missing and it didn't look like a very evil plan to me. He just seemed super desperate, which made him take extreme measures (sounds a bit like Solas, now that I think about it).

[Nehn]

I've felt bad for Corypheus since my first PT. I chose the templars so I didn't see what the future would really look like if he won. He genuinely seemed to believe that he was doing something good and for a long time a little voice kept nagging at me, saying: 'maybe he is on to something'. The codexes, his memory crystals and endgame dialogue only made it worse. When I got around to choosing the mages, I saw that the world he created was horrible, but nevertheless, the sympathy remained.
Initially I felt like he wanted to give people something to believe in, because the gods seemed to be missing and it didn't look like a very evil plan to me. He just seemed super desperate, which made him take extreme measures (sounds a bit like Solas, now that I think about it).

I never really thought about Corypheous' reasoning. I saw too much harm he would do.
Nothing can justify the chaos he potentially/ already caused.

[Kestrel]

This is leading somewhere. Go there.

I like that I set out to write a deep exploration of disability in Thedas and its all fluff instead. After this chapter, I'm really going to have to refocus.

[BoscoBread]

I've felt bad for Corypheus since my first PT. I chose the templars so I didn't see what the future would really look like if he won. He genuinely seemed to believe that he was doing something good and for a long time a little voice kept nagging at me, saying: 'maybe he is on to something'. The codexes, his memory crystals and endgame dialogue only made it worse. When I got around to choosing the mages, I saw that the world he created was horrible, but nevertheless, the sympathy remained.

Initially I felt like he wanted to give people something to believe in, because the gods seemed to be missing and it didn't look like a very evil plan to me. He just seemed super desperate, which made him take extreme measures (sounds a bit like Solas, now that I think about it).

YAS.  All of these things are accurate.  When compared against the Architect - who seems more resigned to what occurred - Corypheus is desperate.  Desperate to return to that feeling he had when he believed.  I feel like Solas is similar and It hink it was a bit of heavy handed(well it apperas that way on a 2nd playthrough) Morrigan says in the epilogue speech "it's said that corypheus awoke from sleep to a world gone awry. he wanted to return it to a world of magic and wonder".  which i think is what solas is trying to do.  i mean, at the end, with solas I don't think it's very calculated anymore - his decisions - he's sort of panicking.  desperate. 

[MoonDrummer]

I've felt bad for Corypheus since my first PT. I chose the templars so I didn't see what the future would really look like if he won. He genuinely seemed to believe that he was doing something good and for a long time a little voice kept nagging at me, saying: 'maybe he is on to something'. The codexes, his memory crystals and endgame dialogue only made it worse. When I got around to choosing the mages, I saw that the world he created was horrible, but nevertheless, the sympathy remained.

Initially I felt like he wanted to give people something to believe in, because the gods seemed to be missing and it didn't look like a very evil plan to me. He just seemed super desperate, which made him take extreme measures (sounds a bit like Solas, now that I think about it).

I don't think the world he we see in the mage quest is the world Cory wanted to make, the inquisitor taking the anchor stopped him from completing his goals. His world probably would have involved Tevinter owning all of Thedas again , so still not good. 

 

He did say something about saving this blighted world, I wonder if he had a plan for dealing with the darkspawn. 

[Cee]

I like that I set out to write a deep exploration of disability in Thedas and its all fluff instead. After this chapter, I'm really going to have to refocus.

 

Fluff is good though! Also, it doesn't always have to be the difficult times. I think having the descriptions of relief Maiwe feels in this chapter as opposed to her daily struggle otherwise (and fear and insecurity) is something that does work to drive your story forward. It rounds out the character somewhat, and lets her have some moments of enjoyment. It still works in the context of the story overall, IMO.

 

My mom has a chronic, permanent disability, and some days we talk about considerations having to do with her health and some days we talk about coffee and music and silly things. People are obviously more than their illnesses, and these fluffy bits drive that home rather than distract, IMO.

[Cee]

I've felt bad for Corypheus since my first PT. I chose the templars so I didn't see what the future would really look like if he won. He genuinely seemed to believe that he was doing something good and for a long time a little voice kept nagging at me, saying: 'maybe he is on to something'. The codexes, his memory crystals and endgame dialogue only made it worse. When I got around to choosing the mages, I saw that the world he created was horrible, but nevertheless, the sympathy remained.

Initially I felt like he wanted to give people something to believe in, because the gods seemed to be missing and it didn't look like a very evil plan to me. He just seemed super desperate, which made him take extreme measures (sounds a bit like Solas, now that I think about it).

 

 

I find it very interesting that Corypheus was also kind of intended to parallel Leliana in ways related to faith. I know people feel like Corypheus might have been too little fleshed out in our spare few scenes in game with him but he does have a backstory that should at least inspire some sympathy, even while wanting to stop him.

[Mims]

I wish we had just a tiny bit more with Corypheus. And I wish he wasn't immediately shown as his 'darkspawn' form. I do think there's a really amazing story going on in Inquisition, it just doesn't quite get the screentime it deserves. So far everything has been centered around faith, or a lack thereof. 

[Cee]

I agree that other aspects could've been given more active screen time in terms of the story. I wish the war table had more stuff like the Sutherland questline.

[Uirebhiril]

I will take this moment to excitedly squeal that my "Lavellan" giclee print has arrived and the damn thing is even more gorgeous in person.    Now if only they would put out one of the Heirophant or something...

[Cee]

I will take this moment to excitedly squeal that my "Lavellan" giclee print has arrived and the damn thing is even more gorgeous in person.    Now if only they would put out one of the Heirophant or something...

 

 

I'm sad I missed that but I opted for the Hermit shirt and concert tickets that week, a week when everything seemed to go on sale. There were two concerts I wanted to attend but had to choose one.

 

If they ever release a Hierophant shirt or print, however, it will be 

 

[Illyria]

I wish we had just a tiny bit more with Corypheus. And I wish he wasn't immediately shown as his 'darkspawn' form. I do think there's a really amazing story going on in Inquisition, it just doesn't quite get the screentime it deserves. So far everything has been centered around faith, or a lack thereof. 

 

Corypheus had the potential to be a really sympathetic villian.  I'm sorry that his faith wasn't explored more in the game.  Apparently he's meant to be a dark shadow to Leliana, but this didn't come accross in the mage path.

 

I agree that other aspects could've been given more active screen time in terms of the story. I wish the war table had more stuff like the Sutherland questline.

 

I once scrapped 5 hours of gameplay because I accidently picked the wrong option in his quest and didn't realise until after I completed Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts and a ton of sidequests.

 

I regret nothing.

[Nehn]

Sadface I can't buy Jaws of Hakkon for another two weeks.
How many hours can one squeeze out of the DLC?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sadface I can't buy Jaws of Hakkon for another two weeks.
How many hours can one squeeze out of the DLC?

 

I got about 10 hours of it.  I did literally everything.  And had to take a pause because I was overwhelmed with elf feels.

 

But 10 hours of playtime for a $15 DLC was IMO pretty good.  Most of the previous DLCs have been 3-4 hours max for about $10.

[BoscoBread]

Sadface I can't buy Jaws of Hakkon for another two weeks.
How many hours can one squeeze out of the DLC?

I did it in about 5-6 hours.  I'm an efficient player though.  The only thing I didn't do were the all the fade rifts and the shard collection. Did all the quests though. 

[Giton]

YAS.  All of these things are accurate.  When compared against the Architect - who seems more resigned to what occurred - Corypheus is desperate.  Desperate to return to that feeling he had when he believed.  I feel like Solas is similar and It hink it was a bit of heavy handed(well it apperas that way on a 2nd playthrough) Morrigan says in the epilogue speech "it's said that corypheus awoke from sleep to a world gone awry. he wanted to return it to a world of magic and wonder".  which i think is what solas is trying to do.  i mean, at the end, with solas I don't think it's very calculated anymore - his decisions - he's sort of panicking.  desperate. 

Did someone say Corypheus! I am summoned! (This works with Falon'Din as well. I'm like Betelguese).

 

Yes, he is a tragic character, a bit like Marlowe's over-reachers like Faustus and Tambourlaine. Anyway, Marlowe gives voice to how I feel about that final confrontation:

 

“Cut is the branch that might have grown full straight,
And burned is Apollo’s laurel bough,
That sometime grew within this learned man.”

 

Bonus Architect feels:

 

"Nature, that fram'd us of four elements
Warring within our breasts for regiment,
Doth teach us all to have aspiring minds.
Our souls, whose faculties can comprehend
The wondrous architecture of the world,
And measure every wandering planet's course,
Still climbing after knowledge infinite,
And always moving as the restless spheres,
Wills us to wear ourselves and never rest,
Until we reach the ripest fruit of all,
That perfect bliss and sole felicity,
The sweet fruition of an earthly crown.” 

 

But he never reaches that earthly crown, for the city was empty.

 

Happy Friday!!

[Cee]

I got about 10 hours of it.  I did literally everything.  And had to take a pause because I was overwhelmed with elf feels.

 

But 10 hours of playtime for a $15 DLC was IMO pretty good.  Most of the previous DLCs have been 3-4 hours max for about $10.

 

About this, yes. Also, about those elf feels.... I am still thinking about all of it.

 

I'm going to do everything and I think it is like 12 or so hours but I also spent time during then crafting in Skyhold and running back for war table things and getting lost in the new area at first.

[Nehn]

I got about 10 hours of it.  I did literally everything.  And had to take a pause because I was overwhelmed with elf feels.
 
But 10 hours of playtime for a $15 DLC was IMO pretty good.  Most of the previous DLCs have been 3-4 hours max for about $10.

Elf feels? As a senior ranking elf enthusiast I am happy for this. Is it from the lore?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Did someone say Corypheus! I am summoned! (This works with Falon'Din as well. I'm like Betelguese).

 

Yes, he is a tragic character, a bit like Marlowe's over-reachers like Faustus and Tambourlaine. Anyway, Marlowe gives voice to how I feel about that final confrontation:

 

“Cut is the branch that might have grown full straight,
And burned is Apollo’s laurel bough,
That sometime grew within this learned man.”

 

 

Giton, I am super grateful for the new appreciation you've given me for Corypheus as a character.  But at the same time, I have to admit that I just can't get over how non-threatening he feels as a villain after Haven.  I like villains who make me quake in my boots.  Who make my PC afraid to sleep for nightmares.  Who could actually, plausibly WIN and render everything I've done pointless.  And TBH I'm kind of resigned to the fact that I'm unlikely to get villains like that except from Obsidian.

 

 

Elf feels? As a senior ranking elf enthusiast I am happy for this. Is it from the lore?

 

Yes.  Ish.  I don't really wanna say more than that because spoilers.  Solas does have some interesting comments in the DLC, as do Cass, Dorian, Cole, Sera, and Viv.

[Giton]

 

Giton, I am super grateful for the new appreciation you've given me for Corypheus as a character.  But at the same time, I have to admit that I just can't get over how non-threatening he feels as a villain after Haven.  I like villains who make me quake in my boots.  Who make my PC afraid to sleep for nightmares.  Who could actually, plausibly WIN and render everything I've done pointless.  And TBH I'm kind of resigned to the fact that I'm unlikely to get villains like that except from Obsidian.

 

 

 

Yes.  Ish.  I don't really wanna say more than that because spoilers.  Solas does have some interesting comments in the DLC, as do Cass, Dorian, Cole, Sera, and Viv.

Yeah. There are problems with how his character was handled in game. He deserved more!!!

[Kestrel]

Fluff is good though! Also, it doesn't always have to be the difficult times. I think having the descriptions of relief Maiwe feels in this chapter as opposed to her daily struggle otherwise (and fear and insecurity) is something that does work to drive your story forward. It rounds out the character somewhat, and lets her have some moments of enjoyment. It still works in the context of the story overall, IMO.

 

My mom has a chronic, permanent disability, and some days we talk about considerations having to do with her health and some days we talk about coffee and music and silly things. People are obviously more than their illnesses, and these fluffy bits drive that home rather than distract, IMO.

 

I agree! But I think I've veered too much into the romance with Solas- more than I intended. It's not as much about her anymore, which is what I wanted. This thread corrupts me. It's not that I don't love Solas as a character, but I feel like I don't necessarily have much to add on him as a writer, so I'm just repeating what others have said before, probably in better fan fictions. Plus, he's going to leave her eventually anyway, so it would be nice to have her be able to stand on her own two feet and have other friends to rely on, rather than being a sobbing mess, because I can't see that happening to her.