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Hmmm have any of you guys played Archage recently? I tried it at first but it seemed to be only half translated to English so I left it as a "try later" game. Just wondering if it's improved any since I left.

 

[EDIT: Nevermind, looked at some online customer reviews. Filled full of bots and scammers....*sigh*]



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Sorry, but I gotta share this: https://www.pinteres...18767088485016/


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I think it's a good time as any for some Solas lips.

 

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Also in late night mental wanderings mode.

 

I've been thinking about uthenera. Now, Fen'Harel, he does the thing, whatever it ultimately was, and then decides to go take a magical ancient elven nap.

 

From The Masked Empire and other sources, we get a little more info on the preparations and maintenance for uthenera. These elves are often protected, guarded during their sleep, attended to, and sometimes even aided in application of a mixture to sustain them. Some were killed as they slept. Others were venerated as they slept. Some woke up eventually and others died in various ways.

 

Now, Fen'Harel, if he performs some act of great rebellion and/or betrayal, is he some sort of special target? Would he also have been venerated or were there other circumstances? I mean, if someone found out Fen'Harel was just laying around somewhere.....he's potentially notorious in some way, whatever acts he actually did commit and over time, that is distorted into his vilification....and yet, he's tucked away somewhere (in an eluvian network?) and wakes up safely.

 

Did he have servants looking after him?  People to protect him, if he were in anger of retaliation? Did anyone know who he was? I wonder what his thoughts about all of these things were? And I know some wonder why he awoke/if someone or something woke him.

 

 

Obviously, we don't know what happened but my brain has questions and thus I pour them all out here. I'm sure I missed a discussion about this somewhere at some point. But alas, I'm procrastinating on my work writing with thoughts of Fen'Harel. -_-

 

My head canon is that a pack of wolves protected him... Wolves don't do politics... Outside the pack.



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I think it's a good time as any for some Solas lips.

 

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Made for kissing, obviously. Need to put something in my FF about this...


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I think it's a good time as any for some Solas lips.

 

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Maker's breath, those lips of his! :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  It's driving me insane! 

 

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My head canon is that a pack of wolves protected him... Wolves don't do politics... Outside the pack.

 

What's the pack internal politics? Democratic vote for new leader? Dismissal protection for current leader? Sick pay and health insurance for all members? Non-disclosure agreements regarding any internal affairs?


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On the topic of 'gods righting all wrongs'. 'Wrong' is extremely subjective. How would a god judge what is truly an atrocity when it's so clear that people themselves cannot come to a complete consensus of what is and isn't inherently wrong? Because if we could then human wrongdoing would be wiped out organically. Not disease or natural disaster, but the wrongs we commit against each other would cease to occur.

 

Genocide is inarguably terrible, but the people committing it obviously feel justified in their actions. How does a god that lives above and apart from his subjects decide whose opinion is more valid? How do we know that our gods (if they exist) don't simply judge 'wrong' by a scale and system that we are unable to comprehend? 

 

I guess that is why the abrahamic faiths make their gods omniscient...



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What's the pack internal politics? Democratic vote for new leader? Dismissal protection for current leader? Sick pay and health insurance for all members? Non-disclosure agreements regarding any internal affairs?

 

Oh you know, who's on top, who's next, who can bonk who, who gets first dibs on any meat, who can have kids (sorry pups...), just the usual social stuff... My understanding is that it can get complex... If you have dogs, you may have a little more idea...

 

[And that wasn't meant to sound patronizing, BTW, it's just that I have two dogs and it's complex...]


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#94285
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Art again. 

 

Solavellan:

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And Solas:

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Good morning/afternoon/evening! Time for some art. :)


No, no, no! D:

 

 

Nope.

 

Nope nope nope nope nope.

 

Nope.  Nope.  Nope.  Nope.


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Excellent points, smarty pants. (I mean this, in case it seems contextually sarcastic. ;)) I think the negative experiences would become so asinine as to re-define what we currently think of as negative. For instance: I get disproportionately pissed off if I rip a nail. At some point, something akin to that could become someone's newly defined version of a worst-case-scenario, similar to losing a job or getting really sick might once have been.  Theoretically.

 

So really, I'd argue that if a deity were zapping anything that could be perceived as negative away (that is, the things that become negative once what used to be considered negative is gone), then at some point, every single thing until humanity itself and the deity itself would be zapped out of existence. It's a bit of a paradox. The only way a world without anything "bad" in it could exist would be for it to not exist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Also: my summation of emotions was made from a layman's perspective; I'm no psychology/biology major, though I do find both interesting. Like philosophical bullshit. *pushes up thick-rimmed glasses, crosses legs and sips too-hot coffee in attempt to be cool, burns lips*

 

In summation: Solas.

 

I don't imagine a deity to be so powerful as to remove all negative things from the world, only to bring more order to the chaos :) 

On the topic of 'gods righting all wrongs'. 'Wrong' is extremely subjective. How would a god judge what is truly an atrocity when it's so clear that people themselves cannot come to a complete consensus of what is and isn't inherently wrong? Because if we could then human wrongdoing would be wiped out organically. Not disease or natural disaster, but the wrongs we commit against each other would cease to occur.

 

Genocide is inarguably terrible, but the people committing it obviously feel justified in their actions. How does a god that lives above and apart from his subjects decide whose opinion is more valid? How do we know that our gods (if they exist) don't simply judge 'wrong' by a scale and system that we are unable to comprehend? 

 

I guess there's the rub, but if they truly were a 'god' then they would have a better understanding of right and wrong than we do.

There is no grey when we're talking about genocide of innocent people, regardless of what the perpetrators think - it can never be justified morally - its wrong...

 

Sorry,  I have more to say but have to go out  :wacko:

 

Kelpies here I come  :D


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Good morning/afternoon/evening! Time for some art. :)

 

No, no, no! D:

Late response since I went to bed (damn timezones) but I wanted to comment on this picture.

 

Wouldn't this be implausible? (I hope I'm using the right word) I can't imagine an ancient elven god being made Tranquil and severing his connection to the Fade when he's survived for how many thousands of years.  Or maybe there's a possibility if he's weak, since he's been sleeping for so long and he could be overpowered.

 

This was buzzing around my head last night.  Any thoughts?



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Nope.

 

Nope nope nope nope nope.

 

Nope.  Nope.  Nope.  Nope.

 

Infinite nopes....


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Late response since I went to bed (damn timezones) but I wanted to comment on this picture.

 

Wouldn't this be implausible? (I hope I'm using the right word) I can't imagine an ancient elven god being made Tranquil and severing his connection to the Fade when he's survived for how many thousands of years.  Or maybe there's a possibility if he's weak, since he's been sleeping for so long and he could be overpowered.

 

This was buzzing around my head last night.  Any thoughts?

 

I just googled this because I remembered seeing something.  I felt awful even typing it in, but it seems renmiri kind of asked and

 

https://twitter.com/...886334605557760
 



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I appreciate that everyone is completely horrified.



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I just googled this because I remembered seeing something.  I felt awful even typing it in, but it seems renmiri kind of asked and

 

https://twitter.com/...886334605557760
 

 

Creators.  The sheer amount of Tranquil!Solas fic and art that followed that tweet was depressing.



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I don't know really know enough of what he's done or will do to fight to the death or anything, but I vote CN, on the basis that I think alignments should label trends of actions and not account for intent. Lots of villains pet the dog, but our ability to understand or empathize with their motives doesn't preclude an Evil alignment.

 

I think that's as good a reason as any to have moved away from alignment systems, though. The terms good and evil are so loaded and subjective that we ended up painting a lot of things as either when they were probably more firmly in the Neutral category with everyone else when weighing pre-defined actions, and having a means to detect alignment in-character kind of ruins the blurriness between how characters are viewed and how they're labeled. So in some campaigns, rogue templars might be the equivalent of fallen paladins, formerly LG (now they're Evil, safe to kill!), where in others, they were never externally labeled as Good to begin with (even if their society might have described it that way).

 

Solas seems to approve of many actions both labeled as 'Good' and viewed as good, but I'm not sure he'd go out and start feeding refugees himself, for example. He seems more about empowering others to fight the system, with subjectively good intent to back the inevitable casualties involved. He rolls his eyes at some examples of martyrdom, presumably because a clever person wouldn't have needed to die, and believes regrettable measures are sometimes needed to make a better world. (The Operative from Serenity comes to mind, with that phrase.) Most of the god-imagery is a dark/light duality, and most of the stories we've heard are, as well. I haven't had an alignment argument in forever, though. Can't imagine why :P


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Creators.  The sheer amount of Tranquil!Solas fic and art that followed that tweet was depressing.

 

I'd completely forgotten about that tweet, really...? There are so many reasons for being relieved that I don't tumblr..



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I'm on my phone, so responding to each of the kind-worded replies isn't possible. My phone is glitchy as hell right now. But from center of my heart, thank you to each and every one of you for the likes and uber sweet words. It made my week waking up to that. It makes want to work my socks off to write more, in fact. Thank you. <3

On topic: What is everyone's favorite color on Solas? Mine is the silk brocade blue. I love how it deepens and accents his eyes. I really, really like it combined with (spoilered because it's from DLC)
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I won't lie, the blues on him make me swoon. Oooooh! I rhymed. Kind of. The green looks super swell as well, but my personal preference is blue. As a side note, Cole looks brilliant in Dales loden cloth and the silk brocade combination, Dorian looks amazing in ring velvet green (along with white, who would have thought), and I just adore Dales loden cloth on Cassandra. Cassandra is gorgeous in purple.

Edit because: Phone, why you gotta be like this. You make my grammar errors worse.
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I just googled this because I remembered seeing something.  I felt awful even typing it in, but it seems renmiri kind of asked and

 

https://twitter.com/...886334605557760
 

You know you've done something wrong when you shock the writer of the character xD

 

Thanks for the link, interesting read.  It's still a horrifying scenario though  :crying:



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On topic: What is everyone's favorite color on Solas?

 

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Now that we've got the option to tint, I keep him in cotton and lambswool colours to ensure he's got the hobo look,  before then?  I actually quite liked him in a ring velvet outfit, but never plaidenweave  :o

 

 

Edit:  A good reason for it being possible to get back with / follow Solas is that it would give us the opportunity to tell him to GTF, which would be really nice to have.  I know that we can break up with him in the game, but it would be nice to have that option where there's a really good reason.

 

Solas:  I've missed you...

Lavellan:  Eh... sorry, I've moved on mate.  :mellow:

 

I'd like to be able to take that option with at least one of my Lavellans.


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Apparently there is a global conference on Solas. They even published a book about it. 

 

Check it out.

 

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:P


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I'm on my phone, so responding to each of the kind-worded replies isn't possible. My phone is glitchy as hell right now. But from center of my heart, thank you to each and every one of you for the likes and uber sweet words. It made my week waking up to that. It makes want to work my socks off to write more, in fact. Thank you. <3

On topic: What is everyone's favorite color on Solas?

 

Now I can tint my armour I quite like him in silvery/white colours.  My Lavellan is dressed in black so they look so stylish next to each other (thank you armour tinting.  Finally I can get the look of darkend samite with the stats of dragon webbing).


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Now I can tint my armour I quite like him in silvery/white colours.  My Lavellan is dressed in black so they look so stylish next to each other (thank you armour tinting.  Finally I can get the look of darkend samite with the stats of dragon webbing).

 

I dress him greenish brown colors. He is a woodsman or a druidic like character so I stick with that theme. 


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