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Solas wound up wearing all the plaidweave outfits in my first playthrough because I figured he wouldn't mind since he's a dork.  I felt bad inflicting plaid on Vivienne or Dorian.  I could just imagine the "Greatly Disapproves" pop-up.

 

And in my second playthrough with Adaar, Solas still gets the plaid.  Because punishment plaid.

 

EDIT: Really?  OK.  Punishment plaid coming right up!

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Can anyone find the source for this?  I'm bad at tumblr.

I love how Blackwall is all slumped over like a child "But moooom, I don't wanna wear it!" XD


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I personally don't believe in the alignment system. The debates on what Solas' alignment would be just enforces it. The alignment system is too constricting. It tries to put people in little neat morality boxes they don't fit in. Most people are too subtle, nuanced, and complex to fit into neat little "s/he's always lawful/chaotic" or "s/he's always good/evil" or "s/he's often/always neutral in some way."

 

Take Alistair, for example. He's one of the most tight-laced companions we've ever had (second only to Sten), very hard up on duty and honor. He's also a good person who wants to help people. So, it would make sense to classify him as Lawful Good, right? Well, no, Alistair has a chaotic streak when it comes to religion. He couldn't stand Chantry life or his Templar training because single-minded religious devotion just didn't appeal to him. (He also used to act up because of it.) So, would we classify him as Chaotic Good? Well, no, he's not THAT chaotic. So, would we put him as Neutral Good? Well, maybe, but he's still Lawful in most areas of his life, with only the little chaotic streak. 

 

Likewise, Solas is all over the map. He may be "lawful" in that he has a personal code of conduct and sees the world in a very orderly way, but he doesn't believe in using laws or rules to constrict people's freedom. As the possible "God of REBELLION," he also clearly thinks that following rules is optional. So in that case he could be Chaotic, but that's hard to figure since he is so proprietorial. He could be classified as "Neutral" because he's a situational lawful/chaotic soul, but that still doesn't seem to cut it. As for morality, he could be described as "Neutral" because he keeps himself at a distance from others and is willing to incorporate questionable means to achieve his goals. On the other hand, he could be classified as "Good" because he uses said questionable means to help people. He also gives more approval for helping others than perhaps any other "good" companion, and his end goal is always to ensure the masses have free agency and the right to pursue their own happiness. But "Good" doesn't seem to cut it either because he'll still incorporate and/or agree with horrible methods if it achieves the desired result. I think the closest alignment to Solas might be "True Neutral" since he has bits of all traits (situational lawfulness and anarchist, a good soul who incorporates evil means while remaining outwardly neutral and apart)... but he's also not truly neutral because he's an activist that feels very strongly about many subjects. 

 

So, I'm not sure I know what his alignment is, or if there even is one. As the trickster God of Rebellion, I imagine Solas would go out of his way not to fit neatly into a little box, and might even feel insulted that a person wanted to put him there. (Remember how offended he gets after the Orlesian Ball, if Lavellan tries to talk to him about "our people"? And he pretty much ends the conversation expressing the wish to be seen as an individual and not just "another pair of pointed ears"?)

 

P.S. As for what colors to fit him in, I always go for earthen green/brown in the beginning, and more vibrant red later on. (To symbolize his inner passion and fire coming out over the course of the game. "Scotch bonnet candy" indeed.)


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Dammit. I thought we might argue until the sh... excrement makes physical contact with a hydro-electric powered oscillating air current distribution device, and I could call in a mod.

 

Either that or we would all be like machines, numb and without any emotions, merely existing along. Nothing accomplished, nothing lost.

Any way I twist it, I cannot imagine this perfect world in which a god takes away all that humans consider to be an atrocity (because I don't think a higher entity could even call the death, severe sickness, rape etc. of one of over 6 billion people an atrocity like we can; that might be on the same level as a broken nail to it). And what I am able to imagine would not leave us with a better world. 

 

... which is probably why Solas never used his powers to right the small wrongs he must perceive every day. While he detests slavery, the Qun etc. he never made an attempt to wipe these things out. Because he believes that people must learn and stand up for themselves, be willing to change of their own accord. He did try to lock away the superior entities (elven gods) so people would have their lives in their own hands, i.e. to even the odds, but he does not try to right the wrongs in the aftermath because he believes in self-determination. (...or similar? Help me get this back on topic somehow. Aahh)

 

I'm sorry to dash your mod intervention fantasies; one moment, I will adopt the appropriate way to hold a discussion on the internet. Ahem.

 

You are wrong. I am right. I know everything, because only my points are valid and I will keep repeating myself using basically the same argument without taking anything you've said on board until you ABANDON YOUR OWN VIEW POINTS EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL NOT, YELLING NAME CALLING AAAAGHGHHGHH I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE THINK THE SAME WAY AS MEEEE.

 

^__^

 

I applaud you for bringing this discussion back to Solas in a fairly believable fashion. And I think you're right on the money. If Solas in fact held the power to abolish every kind of wrong he perceived, it would go against his very nature and the ideals that he holds so dear. He's willing to make huge decisions to get the ball rolling in the right direction (locking away the Elven gods), but unwilling to micromanage (control) the situation to the point that it would actually ensure his ultimate goals come to pass. Because that would be another kind of form of slavery, only enforced by him.

 

But man. Revolutionary Solas does it for me. Even if his plans kind of continually turn to ****. Who's to say in what ways the world might have been worse off if he didn't do what he did, though.

 

I think it's a good time as any for some Solas lips.

 

 

Hot damn.

 

Edit: Typo.


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Mate. Having a personal code of honor doesn't mean that having a chaotic or rebellious streak is mutually exclusive.  


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So I just finished a playthrough with my lovely elf romancing Solas. I have to say that was a beautifully written romance! I loved the emotional struggles, the tender moments and the inevitable end. It made the ending of the game so much more beautiful too. As my Lavellan walked off to her quarters alone, she turns and sees all her companions bidding her goodnight and she smiles, knowing she'll be alright with them by her side, then she gazes out at the rising sun the next morning, preparing for a new day, but never forgetting who her heart chose and hoping he's safe. The DLC made it even more amazing with certain moments that can really hit if you only play after the game's over. I love it and Solas is my canon romance for all my playthrough's now!


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EDIT: Really?  OK.  Punishment plaid coming right up!
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Does Blackwall have a.. wheel of cheese for a shield? Man, dat punishment.


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 The alignment system is too constricting. It tries to put people in little neat morality boxes they don't fit in. Most people are too subtle, nuanced, and complex to fit into neat little "s/he's always lawful/chaotic" or "s/he's always good/evil" or "s/he's often/always neutral in some way."

 

Which is really where my issues with it are - it's not really supposed to be little boxes, and no one acts the same way all the time. That's not what they're saying. But a lot of characters end up getting judged by personality or how they see themselves. They're really just guidelines - they describe an overall trend of a person/character's actions, and they can change with those trends or have different weights to them. You could be more consciously, purposefully altruistic than you were chaotic, for example. Good would be your focus, and chaos a secondary effect to how you believe that best occurs.

 

I reject the idea that complicated characters can't be described by alignments (or by anything, to some degree), but they shouldn't necessarily be defined by them, either. For me, it's really that we compare a lot with every day people, most of whom are in some way neutral. But because they can also be kind, compassionate, sorrowful, gave money to a homeless guy one time, we think of them as big-g Good. Having those qualities isn't what charts them, though, just like Solas could be LN and say, dislike authority, or have fought an oppressive government. I've often wondered if we called them made-up words instead of good/evil, if there'd be less arguments... So yeah, I don't think it's just how they're used that makes them narrow or not, but I'm not sorry to move on from them, either.



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I don't imagine a deity to be so powerful as to remove all negative things from the world, only to bring more order to the chaos :)

 

I don't believe in a deity at all. But I can, in the interest of philosophical discourse, imagine it and discuss the possible outcomes of such a being existing.

 

On topic: What is everyone's favorite color on Solas? Mine is the silk brocade blue. I love how it deepens and accents his eyes. I really, really like it combined with (spoilered because it's from DLC)

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I won't lie, the blues on him make me swoon. Oooooh! I rhymed. Kind of. The green looks super swell as well, but my personal preference is blue. As a side note, Cole looks brilliant in Dales loden cloth and the silk brocade combination, Dorian looks amazing in ring velvet green (along with white, who would have thought), and I just adore Dales loden cloth on Cassandra. Cassandra is gorgeous in purple.

 

Solas looks so good in that blue. I tend to put him in earth tones, however. Taupe, moss greens, beige, warm greys. He looks so comforting in those colours. Like he'd be the best to hug ever.


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Solas looks so good in that blue. I tend to put him in earth tones, however. Taupe, moss greens, beige, warm greys. He looks so comforting in those colours. Like he'd be the best to hug ever.

 

Solas gives the best hugs ever. Period. I imagine Cole could give pretty fantastic hugs as well, and it goes without saying that Dorian's hugs are wonderful. But Solas. I can just imagine being snugly wrapped in his arms, head on his chest, arms wrapped around his torso. He's incredibly warm, and you just feel safe, and loved, and happy. 


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Solas gives the best hugs ever. Period. I imagine Cole could give pretty fantastic hugs as well, and it goes without saying that Dorian's hugs are wonderful. But Solas. I can just imagine being snugly wrapped in his arms, head on his chest, arms wrapped around his torso. He's incredibly warm, and you just feel safe, and loved, and happy. 

 

Stahp.

 

I imagine Solas being just slightly unsure/uncomfortable in the very beginning, somewhat more rigid than is natural. Stiffened posture, somewhat guarded. And then, as Lavellan melts into him, his barriers slowly fall away, and he pours all of his feeling into it, breathing her in.

 

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Stahp.

I imagine Solas being just slightly unsure/uncomfortable in the very beginning, somewhat more rigid than is natural. Stiffened posture, somewhat guarded. And then, as Lavellan melts into him, his barriers slowly fall away, and he pours all of his feeling into it, breathing her in.

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Yes. Oh yes. Pardon me while I melt at the image of that hug.

Edit: Phone, why.
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I don't believe in a deity at all. But I can, in the interest of philosophical discourse, imagine it and discuss the possible outcomes of such a being existing.

 

 

I didn't mean to suggest you did,  I was just clarifying what hypothetical god situation I was thinking about - which was not one that removed every tiny challenge in life, but one that stepped up when things got out of hand  :)



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I'm sorry to dash your mod intervention fantasies; one moment, I will adopt the appropriate way to hold a discussion on the internet. Ahem.

 

You are wrong. I am right. I know everything, because only my points are valid and I will keep repeating myself using basically the same argument without taking anything you've said on board until you ABANDON YOUR OWN VIEW POINTS EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL NOT, YELLING NAME CALLING AAAAGHGHHGHH I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE THINK THE SAME WAY AS MEEEE.

 

Finally you adjust to BSN standards. Took you long enough with your Canadian politeness. Now keep it up and don't get back to that rational, agnostic debating style.


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I didn't mean to suggest you did,  I was just clarifying what hypothetical god situation I was thinking about - which was not one that removed every tiny challenge in life, but one that stepped up when things got out of hand  :)

 

No worries, I think our wires are crossed! I didn't believe you to be suggesting I did; I was just trying to clarify that I was temporarily subscribing to a rigid set of circumstances (i.e., a deity with unlimited power who could undertake massive changes to shape a world in whichever way the deity saw fit) for the sake of discussing it. If that makes sense.

 

Finally you adjust to BSN standards. Took you long enough with your Canadian politeness. Now keep it up and don't get back to that rational, agnostic debating style.

 

Consider my hockey gloves to be forever removed. *angrily throws off gloves, pulls jersey over head*

 

.... Sorry. That was uncalled for. Really sorry.


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OMG he's so sexy!

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OMG he's so sexy!

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By far the sexiest picture of Solas ever.  *fans self*


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why is that picture spoiler tagged? show it to the world


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why is that picture spoiler tagged? show it to the world

 

What if the world's not ready for it?
If it wasn't someone else's art, I would photoshop his face into the tranquil-solas comic.

"Inquisitor... there's someone- something you should see."
"Solas..."

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What if the world's not ready for it?
If it wasn't someone else's art, I would photoshop his face into the tranquil-solas comic.

"Inquisitor... there's someone- something you should see."
"Solas..."

 

*too much sexy.  forced to snip*

 

Lavellan: You know what?  Never mind.  CULLEN!  You free for a date?


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What if the world's not ready for it?
If it wasn't someone else's art, I would photoshop his face into the tranquil-solas comic.

"Inquisitor... there's someone- something you should see."
"Solas..."

VQn8z9R.jpg

 

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It's so beautiful.


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Lavellan: You know what?  Never mind.  CULLEN!  You free for a date?

I'm not mad illyria, i'm just disappointed.

 

is mr. noodle everyone's designated plan b?

 

Cullen's on the list but waaaaay down at the bottom, just below cabot the bartender (free drinks) but way above fairbanks.


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I'm not mad illyria, i'm just disappointed.

is mr. noodle everyone's designated plan b?

Cullen's on the list but waaaaay down at the bottom, just below cabot the bartender (free drinks) but way above fairbanks.


I love Cullen as a character, but the Avvar are getting cute Lavellan patooty and he isn't.
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I'm not mad illyria, i'm just disappointed.

 

is mr. noodle everyone's designated plan b?

 

Cullen's on the list but waaaaay down at the bottom, just below cabot the bartender (free drinks) but way above fairbanks.

 

To be honest, I picked the LI at random. *shrugs*


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It is too bad Cullen won't romance qunari. My motherly Adaar remains single! He's still getting smothered into her bosoms. It is the fate of everyone in the Nanny-Inquisition. 

 

As far as my Lavellan goes, I wouldn't wish her on Cullen. Or most people in the game, to be honest. She's way to volatile and troublesome for such a nice guy. Solas's relationship with her is 50% love, and 50% sweet, sweet karma. 


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I love Cullen as a character, but the Avvar are getting cute Lavellan patooty and he isn't.

fur bikini skyrim man is on the list.

 

post game i convert the rotunda into a seraglio.

 

to fill the hole in my heart, of course.

 

It is too bad Cullen won't romance qunari. My motherly Adaar remains single! He's still getting smothered into her bosoms. It is the fate of everyone in the Nanny-Inquisition. 

 

As far as my Lavellan goes, I wouldn't wish her on Cullen. Or most people in the game, to be honest. She's way to volatile and troublesome for such a nice guy. Solas's relationship with her is 50% love, and 50% sweet, sweet karma. 

 

yes goooood more crazy lavellans


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