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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Siha]

Oh, Siha! Perhaps the reason for the tinting of pink in his eyes is due to the reflection. The hearts we see are actually the red hearts within Lavellan's eyes and they are pink within his. Perhaps like a spirit (according to the Augur in the Frostback Basin) Solas reflects what we wish to be. In this case, Lavellan wished to be loved, placed as the foremost thought in her lover's eyes. Solas reflected this love, but going beyond to place her as #1 in his priorities would have altered him, changed him, made him turn away from his purpose, so he had to leave so he wouldn't betray himself?

 

Oh the allegory! Her blood-red hearts (doubled for impact), reflecting in his eyes only pink, showing his growing detachment and different point of view; already implying the future distance.

Equating the pink tint, representing a "shallow red", to the place Lavellan's love has in the hierarchy of his plans is actually very on point and stunning of you to point out. I will have to ponder on this over a soy latte and a ultra-light cigarette in a mouthpiece.

[KarateKats]

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true americans have perfectly straighten teeth and has the best plastic surgeons for brow implants.

I feel like we should have taken Solas down a different path of Freedom.

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[MoonDrummer]

Oh, oh... my feels. You are correct. There is no more American-American song as this one. Excuse me, I need to go procure a lighter.

Also... expect me to turn this into an Elvhen parody to be sung by Solas and his slave rebels.

Now I can't see young Solas as anyone other than Hulk Hogan. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

I feel like we should have taken Solas down a different path of Freedom.

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I win.

 

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[KarateKats]

I win.

 

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You're a dirty cheater.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[BoscoBread]

I win.

 

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Unless there is a hover-round in the picture - this is not American enough. How do you expect Solas to get to the Wal-mart without his scooter???? HRMMMM??

 

Also - @Moondrummer - Regarding Hulk Hogan - now i'm thinking of him giving his final speech in the same vein of crazy of Hulk Hogan vs Andre The giant - where he said something about body slamming him through the ground through the earth's core to the other side.  I would have been fine with this rendition of Solas.  Also I may or may not have watched a lot of old wrestlemania VHS in college.

[KarateKats]

I win.

 

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Wait no. I can't throw in the towel just yet. I've been up all night, my throat is parched from laughing... I've gone too far to just give in!

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[Rabbitonfire]

Wait no. I can't throw in the towel just yet. I've been up all night, my throat is parched from laughing... I've gone too far to just give in!

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[Siha]

Evidently we should follow this up with a visit to the Met wherein we relate everything to Dragon Age via visual metaphor and color palette choices. Perhaps even composition, should a figure be thrusting one hand toward the sky, or hidden objects with multiplicity of meanings... like spheres and orbs. Wolves and other canine creatures, not too mention chickens and eggs, will also be heavily scrutinized for meaning. Perhaps we can allow sacrificial sheep to be symbolic of inquisitor Lavellan?

 

I am rather good with metaphors, I will gladly discuss the meaning of dragons, swords, wells in the face of the beginning industrialization and modernization of Thedas (see doctor in Skyhold who relies on medicine instead of magic). Solas, as an ancient entity afraid of change, can be compared to reactionary forces in our own history. With enough effort we can come up with very compromising conspiracy theories regarding BW's political agenda, maybe even have a chance at winning the "Tin-foil wacko of the year" award 2015. 

[Cee]

Considering how many players romanced Alistair, Solas, and Anders...I'd say we sent that message pretty loud and clear  Especially with Anders.  Solas and Alistair's potential tragedies kick in later.  When you meet Anders in DA2, he's already possessed.  There is no way that could end well, yet I jumped on that burning ship and rode it all the way to Nightmare Demon Reef.

 

No regrets.  Would hellspiral all over again, 11/10.  Though Solavellan has been the worst by far.  First romance to inspire wish-fulfillment fanfiction from me.

 

Well, Alistair is the only one that ended mostly happily since I had a Warden Cousland that married him, though with the taint, the Calling, and the possibility of heirs unlikely, as well as resentment at the whole Morrigan thing (headcanon), it was somewhat bittersweet.

 

Anders though...oh Anders....that one had red flag written all over him and yet he brought out my protectiveness and compassion and no regrets.

 

Solas also had his hesitation and red flags but he's a damn magnet.

 

Sigh.

 

And yes, Solavellan has been something else. This has made me actually write things instead of just keeping it all in my head (which is what I did with my Mass Effect feelings) and I accept this will take time to settle.

[Mims]

My great red-flag romance was Morrigan. So thrilled with how that turned out that I ain't even mad about Solas. Gib mor drama. 

[MoonDrummer]

I am rather good with metaphors, I will gladly discuss the meaning of dragons, swords, wells in the face of the beginning industrialization and modernization of Thedas (see doctor in Skyhold who relies on medicine instead of magic). Solas, as an ancient entity afraid of change, can be compared to reactionary forces in our own history. With enough effort we can come up with very compromising conspiracy theories regarding BW's political agenda, maybe even have a chance at winning the "Tin-foil wacko of the year" award 2015. 

I believe all the ruling classes of Thedas are actually reptiles wearing human skin, from across the sea.

[BoscoBread]

Well, Alistair is the only one that ended mostly happily since I had a Warden Cousland that married him, though with the taint, the Calling, and the possibility of heirs unlikely, as well as resentment at the whole Morrigan thing (headcanon), it was somewhat bittersweet.

 

Anders though...oh Anders....that one had red flag written all over him and yet he brought out my protectiveness and compassion and no regrets.

 

Solas also had his hesitation and red flags but he's a damn magnet.

 

Sigh.

 

And yes, Solavellan has been something else. This has made me actually write things instead of just keeping it all in my head (which is what I did with my Mass Effect feelings) and I accept this will take time to settle.

The interesting thing with Alistair is that it says so much about the player as a person depending on what happened.  I was a cousland and picked the warden ending because it was clear he never wanted to be King.  Anora - to me - is clearly the better option. So mine was really drama free. Morrigan was like 'get me preggo and all will live' and I was like 'WORKS FOR ME!'.  But others I know were NOT ok with this.  Same thing with the mistress path - i was like 'whatever. that works. makes political sense'

 

What I mean to say is that there is no real inherent tragedy with Alistair's romance arc perse(aside from him being a warden).  I just find it neat that everybody reacts differently to it.  I thought it was a happy ending but then I saw people emo-ing out on the threads and was like 'huh what? but you get to be with him and everybody is being honest.'  different strokes i guess.

 

Anders is a trainwreck.  Even if you let him live, his life will always be hard.  It also sounds like he's just getting worse as the years wear on from what Hawke says to you in DAI.

 

Solas - remains to be seen.  I hold out hope that it will end happily or bittersweet. 

[Heidirs]

All these creepy Solas imagines. I fill like I'm obligated to fill this thread with something else.

 

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[Gervaise]

It is interesting what you say about Solas being a planner and may be that is the reason he "disapproved" of my Lavellan guy's cautious response.    However, if challenged he would have pointed out that sometimes you have to "wing it" and this has resulted in some outcomes that he wouldn't have planned himself.    To give an example, the decision over who should rule Orlais.   When my chap went into the ball the plan was that we should save Celene from assassination.       Then once there it is suggested to me that I should be the one who decides who rules.   My advisors suggest that saving Celene might not be the best outcome and then Leliana throws in a real curved ball by suggesting that Briala could become the de facto ruler of Orlais with Gaspard as her puppet Emperor.    So my chap thinks "I like that idea" but even then he plays his cards close to his chest because he has been advised you shouldn't reveal yourself too soon in the Game.    It did go against his natural inclination to just stand there and let Florianne kill Celene but he trusted to the advice he had received (and the little chat he had had with Briala) that everything would turn out as he wanted it to, which it did.

 

Now that was the action of a person who is adaptable and can think on his feet; actually quite in keeping with his role of a hunter when you can be stalking your quarry and then something untoward happens (like bears appearing out of nowhere) and you have to react.     Strangely enough if you say to Solas that you will consult with others on how to use the Well, he disapproves of that as well.  

 

This is why I feel his disapproval is partly because you are not willing to share your plans with him but also concede that it may also be that he feels you should have a long term plan like he does.    Mind you Solas can be adaptable.    He gave his orb Cory, regretted it, offered his help to the Inquisition, thought their efforts were going to end in failure and then stuck the Herald's hand up to the Rift and "everything changed".   (Or was he lying to you about that thought process?)

[Taelaa]

lol. I can't help but laugh every time I see the "2. It's okay." option. I actually don't know what Lavellan says if it's taken, but I always imagine it to be something painfully awkward, like:

 

Solas: You change... everything

Lavellan: (awkwardly) Aww. That's... okay. Buddy. *shoulder pat*

Solas: Ah.

-pregnant silence-

Lavellan: *coughs* Sooo. Wake up, right?

 

Every time I see those options, my brain strings them together into, "Kiss him. It's ok.".

[yetanothername]

The interesting thing with Alistair is that it says so much about the player as a person depending on what happened.

 

But... but... what if you are a roleplayer, who makes characters that are nothing or little like you, to see what could happen in a story?

 

I believe all the ruling classes of Thedas are actually reptiles wearing human skin, from across the sea.

 

*messenger lizards scatter*

[Siha]

I believe all the ruling classes of Thedas are actually reptiles wearing human skin, from across the sea.

Would you be willing to participate in our conspiracy theorists support group? I see great potential in you.
 

The interesting thing with Alistair is that it says so much about the player as a person depending on what happened.  I was a cousland and picked the warden ending because it was clear he never wanted to be King.  Anora - to me - is clearly the better option. So mine was really drama free. Morrigan was like 'get me preggo and all will live' and I was like 'WORKS FOR ME!'.  But others I know were NOT ok with this.  Same thing with the mistress path - i was like 'whatever. that works. makes political sense'
 
What I mean to say is that there is no real inherent tragedy with Alistair's romance arc perse(aside from him being a warden).  I just find it neat that everybody reacts differently to it.  I thought it was a happy ending but then I saw people emo-ing out on the threads and was like 'huh what? but you get to be with him and everybody is being honest.'  different strokes i guess.

Good point. I never thought about this before, but I agree. I was a Dalish rogue who made Alistair king (because I'd rather support somebody I know and trust than somebody who double-crosses me in the face of danger). There was no ritual (because I did not know what Morrigan wanted this child for, and so it seemed to risky to me). Alistair would not stay with me and Ferelden needed its king, so I landed the killing blow. I liked this ending very much (I like fatalism in fiction, makes for good stories).

 

In general I think Alistair's romance was done very well. You could speak to him anywhere, not only in camp, he would approach you on his own accord and now only wait for you to speak up (like when he asks you about your opinion, that's pretty neat), he could get mad and even leave you, and he reacted realistically based on the situation. It was well done, well integrated.

 

I disliked this most about Solas: he would not break up (before the vallaslin scene). You could be a jerk after starting the romance, do horrible things (kill his spirit friend, tell him you liked doing it, drink from the well and tell him you'd abuse its power etc.), but he would stay. Like they had stripped him of any determination and strength for a while.

[Cee]

The interesting thing with Alistair is that it says so much about the player as a person depending on what happened.  I was a cousland and picked the warden ending because it was clear he never wanted to be King.  Anora - to me - is clearly the better option. So mine was really drama free. Morrigan was like 'get me preggo and all will live' and I was like 'WORKS FOR ME!'.  But others I know were NOT ok with this.  Same thing with the mistress path - i was like 'whatever. that works. makes political sense'

 

What I mean to say is that there is no real inherent tragedy with Alistair's romance arc perse(aside from him being a warden).  I just find it neat that everybody reacts differently to it.  I thought it was a happy ending but then I saw people emo-ing out on the threads and was like 'huh what? but you get to be with him and everybody is being honest.'  different strokes i guess.

 

Anders is a trainwreck.  Even if you let him live, his life will always be hard.  It also sounds like he's just getting worse as the years wear on from what Hawke says to you in DAI.

 

Solas - remains to be seen.  I hold out hope that it will end happily or bittersweet. 

 

Alistair is sort of afraid to step up, though less so once he's hardened. So I encouraged him and had them as a team in the end. Maybe I kind of drew upon real life, I guess, where my romantic partners tend to see me as a comforting, balancing force.

 

I didn't like Anora that much, though I did feel for some of her situation. While she did help the situation and was unfairly targeted by rumors, I didn't like her approach to ruling that much and she was kind of like her father, I guess. And her father betrayed Cailan and did some real damage. Couldn't quite trust her.

 

So, in my world, I felt having Alistair and my Warden as a team with him on the throne felt like the better option.

 

 

And yeah, as for Anders, I left him alive so with the events of DAI, it does sound like he's still not doing so well. One additional reason why the Fade decision wasn't hard at all, but then Hawke and the Weisshaupt silence.....ugh, Anders needs you. :/

 

 

Solas...obviously the current occupant of my thoughts. We need that story DLC but while I want something good for them, I can see about 100 different ways things end sadlyor in a bittersweet way and only a handful of potentially optimistic closure situations.

 

AKA, I have a lot of feelings.
 

[CapricornSun]

The interesting thing with Alistair is that it says so much about the player as a person depending on what happened.  I was a cousland and picked the warden ending because it was clear he never wanted to be King.  Anora - to me - is clearly the better option. So mine was really drama free. Morrigan was like 'get me preggo and all will live' and I was like 'WORKS FOR ME!'.  But others I know were NOT ok with this.  Same thing with the mistress path - i was like 'whatever. that works. makes political sense'

 

What I mean to say is that there is no real inherent tragedy with Alistair's romance arc perse(aside from him being a warden).  I just find it neat that everybody reacts differently to it.  I thought it was a happy ending but then I saw people emo-ing out on the threads and was like 'huh what? but you get to be with him and everybody is being honest.'  different strokes i guess.

 

Anders is a trainwreck.  Even if you let him live, his life will always be hard.  It also sounds like he's just getting worse as the years wear on from what Hawke says to you in DAI.

 

Solas - remains to be seen.  I hold out hope that it will end happily or bittersweet. 

 

I agree with you on Alistair. I didn't get why people were complaining that their non-Cousland female PC could never have a happy ending with Alistair unless they played a female Cousland, made him king, and married him. I'm perfectly happy with my F!Mahariel and him being Wardens together (and as you can see in DA:I, Warden Alistair and the female Warden are still very much in love and happy for the most part). And I had no problem doing the Dark Ritual, though this might be because I'm selfish and want my Warden and Alistair to live. Also like you said, he made it clear that he didn't want to be king, and I had no problems with Anora ruling either. So my romance with him was also pretty much drama free, which is probably why I always look back on his romance with my Warden so fondly. 

 

So yeah, different strokes as you've said.

 

Anders was my first tragic/trainwreck romance. I got so many emotions going on by the time I ended DA2 -- frustration, rage, sadness, pity... Though I wonder what it says about me since I let him live and ran away with him? (Actually don't answer that, I'm afraid to know the answer, hehe!)

 

Then came Solas. Wow, I sure know how to pick them. I'm just waiting to see how this story will end. (Probably tragically or bittersweet, but I still have this tiniest bit of hope that we get a chance of something even slightly happy.)

[BoscoBread]

But... but... what if you are a roleplayer, who makes characters that are nothing or little like you, to see what could happen in a story?

 

 

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True and it's not like I didn't think of that, but I actually find it rare in these games when it comes to the romances. More often than not people's personal...uh..."baggage"(lack of a better word) tends to bleed in to the more emotional decisions. Especially decisions regarding the romances.  I know mine do.  I actually truly roleplay in games where I don't have that attachment.  Games like Skyrim, Obsidian RPGS. I find it easier to step outside of myself and actually be another character.  I think it's because those romances are really only effective if they speak to you on a personal level. People just didn't get Solas. They don't like his character. The romance doesn't resonate with them.  So they don't pursue it.  But they go for Blackwall because he was "attractive" to them to get invested in it. 

 

Obviously these are generalizations.  I know people still RP these and do.  It's just that I think it's more rare in these cases.