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[Mims]

I disliked this most about Solas: he would not break up (before the vallaslin scene). You could be a jerk after starting the romance, do horrible things (kill his spirit friend, tell him you liked doing it, drink from the well and tell him you'd abuse its power etc.), but he would stay. Like they had stripped him of any determination and strength for a while.

 

I'd actually say the opposite. As far as I know, he won't continue the romance if you kill the spirit friend. But he can't leave the Inquisition. Even if they go full evil, whatever they are up to is nothing compared to the risk of not getting his orb back and Corypheus. So he's willing to bow his head, let the Inquisitor punch him, grind his teeth. 

 

Not leaving just shows how important retrieving the orb is. And just how crucial the Inquisitor is in the whole business- she/he is the only one with the mark, so there's really no one else to turn to. 

[yetanothername]

I disliked this most about Solas: he would not break up (before the vallaslin scene). You could be a jerk after starting the romance, do horrible things (kill his spirit friend, tell him you liked doing it, drink from the well and tell him you'd abuse its power etc.), but he would stay. Like they had stripped him of any determination and strength for a while.

 

I didn't like that you couldn't break up with him, at all, until then. I didn't know he would never break up with you - does the disapproval-break only break potential and not confirmed relationship? That seems more oversight (unintended romance) than character, but, well, it's in! (You can't kill his spirit friend, though, which is after-kiss pre-balcony. He tells you to keep it business, after that.)

I will say that when I started over for nightmare and redid that particular story to something I perceived as 'better,' I ended up with an arc I really liked, that had development on both sides. And it was very difficult, with some (dis)approval gaming and specific dialogue choices.
 

[Siha]

However, if challenged he would have pointed out that sometimes you have to "wing it" and this has resulted in some outcomes that he wouldn't have planned himself.    To give an example, the decision over who should rule Orlais.  
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Strangely enough if you say to Solas that you will consult with others on how to use the Well, he disapproves of that as well.  
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This is why I feel his disapproval is partly because you are not willing to share your plans with him but also concede that it may also be that he feels you should have a long term plan like he does.    Mind you Solas can be adaptable.    He gave his orb Cory, regretted it, offered his help to the Inquisition, thought their efforts were going to end in failure and then stuck the Herald's hand up to the Rift and "everything changed".   (Or was he lying to you about that thought process?)

This is what I meant, but did not say maybe, while thirdmouse did. Planning does not imply things will happen that way, not even that you will act at all. I can make plans like a chess player, calculate every possible outcome in advance, creating a tree of paths in my head; while preferring one. That does not mean any of them will happen. Maybe I forgot something, or I change my mind, or I notice the situation differs from what I expected. The only basic notion is that I either try to be prepared or decide to wait for things to happen. 

(Btw, you go to Orlais with the intention to save Celene, and Solas will approve if you also do so in the end. Even though he does not consider Celene the best ruler. I do not know what to think of this though.)

 

Solas tells you why he disapproves of you wanting to consult others. Because he thinks things can only go right if one person plans and executes. This is Mordin all over: "Had to be me. Somebody else would get it wrong." You have the power, you must decide. Maybe this is even the plan thing again: you must plan, you should not defer your decisions to others. Anyway, he says it's bad to trust in others because it can lead to abuse (we don't know what he experienced already). He trusts you, so he wants you to make the choices.

 

Maybe he disapproves of you not sharing your plans. But that would include him assuming you lied when saying you had nothing planned yet. I don't know if I'd go that far. It seems rather like he disliked your recklessness (like with the Wardens who raise a demon army without thinking about how to subsequently stop their demon army once the job is done) than accusing you of lying. But this is just my impression, I could be wrong.

[Siha]

I'd actually say the opposite. As far as I know, he won't continue the romance if you kill the spirit friend. But he can't leave the Inquisition. Even if they go full evil, whatever they are up to is nothing compared to the risk of not getting his orb back and Corypheus. So he's willing to bow his head, let the Inquisitor punch him, grind his teeth. 

 

Not leaving just shows how important retrieving the orb is. And just how crucial the Inquisitor is in the whole business- she/he is the only one with the mark, so there's really no one else to turn to. 

 

O, I tried. I tried so bad to be a jerk to him. I did it all (killed the demon, told him I wanted it afterward), he called me cold (or something) but stayed with me. He started out all annoyed after the well and then fell back on "wanted to show you what you mean to me". It was so weird. I had specifically built up the romance and then done everything "wrong" to gather disapproval. No breakup. I was disappointed.

 

I didn't like that you couldn't break up with him, at all, until then. I didn't know he would never break up with you - does the disapproval-break only break potential and not confirmed relationship? That seems more oversight (unintended romance) than character, but, well, it's in! (You can't kill his spirit friend, though, which is after-kiss pre-balcony. He tells you to keep it business, after that.)

 

I think the romance is confirmed after the balcony kiss. So I kept his personal quest and all judgments until after that point in order to have many chances left to anger him. Maybe what happened to me was not supposed to happen (bug?). I wanted to see his development if, once in a relationship, he discovered he had completely different world views. But the breakup I was promised just did not happen.

You can break up with him in every cut scene, just not in normal "static" conversations, like with Blackwall too.

[Mims]

Huh! That is very strange. I had heard that the second scene doesn't trigger if you killed the spirit. That does seem like a bit of an oversight then, haha. 

[Illyria]

Everyone should be talking about this beautiful rendering of Solas instead of internet fighting. Looking at his moist yellow lips and his beautifully red eyes.

 

I approve of your new icon choice, but don't you think that amount of sexy could be dangerous?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Collection is up with the first one-shot. More to come.

 

AO3: http://archiveofouro...hapters/8171219

 

FFN: https://www.fanficti...dled-for-Warmth

 

D'awww.  The cuddling for warmth trope is one of my favorites.  I wish I had a puppy with whom to cuddle, but my cat will do.

[Cee]

True and it's not like I didn't think of that, but I actually find it rare in these games when it comes to the romances. More often than not people's personal...uh..."baggage"(lack of a better word) tends to bleed in to the more emotional decisions. Especially decisions regarding the romances.  I know mine do.  I actually truly roleplay in games where I don't have that attachment.  Games like Skyrim, Obsidian RPGS. I find it easier to step outside of myself and actually be another character.  I think it's because those romances are really only effective if they speak to you on a personal level. People just didn't get Solas. They don't like his character. The romance doesn't resonate with them.  So they don't pursue it.  But they go for Blackwall because he was "attractive" to them to get invested in it. 

 

Obviously these are generalizations.  I know people still RP these and do.  It's just that I think it's more rare in these cases.

 

To me, this applies to some degree. I do create characters to play but they begin as concepts and get more and more fleshed out in my head over time and utilizing game events. So when it comes to these games and their romances, I personally know that I tend to go for whoever draws me in, as in real life. But if there's someone who plays really well with a defining character trait (or flaw) that I've come up with in concept, that can work for its own reason.
 

[BoscoBread]

O, I tried. I tried so bad to be a jerk to him. I did it all (killed the demon, told him I wanted it afterward), he called me cold (or something) but stayed with me. He started out all annoyed after the well and then fell back on "wanted to show you what you mean to me". It was so weird. I had specifically built up the romance and then done everything "wrong" to gather disapproval. No breakup. I was disappointed.

 

 

I think the romance is confirmed after the balcony kiss. So I kept his personal quest and all judgments until after that point in order to have many chances left to anger him. Maybe what happened to me was not supposed to happen (bug?). I wanted to see his development if, once in a relationship, he discovered he had completely different world views. But the breakup I was promised just did not happen.

You can break up with him in every cut scene, just not in normal "static" conversations, like with Blackwall too.

It wasn't just his romance - I was kind of annoyed I couldn't play the field in this game firstly.  Secondly, as you say, that there weren't a lot more points where he would dump you - that goes for all of them actually.  I feel like, if Solas is so angry about the wardens, a nice big argument scene about your opinions (kind of what you get with Sera and being "elfy") and then he/you  just realize it's not going to work. I don't think Solas is as entrenched in his own opinion as Sera - or at least isn't as immature - but I think there's certain things where he would be like 'no, i can't see this working realistically if you believe x,y,z and are passionate about it'.

[Sable Rhapsody]

True and it's not like I didn't think of that, but I actually find it rare in these games when it comes to the romances. More often than not people's personal...uh..."baggage"(lack of a better word) tends to bleed in to the more emotional decisions. Especially decisions regarding the romances.  I know mine do.  I actually truly roleplay in games where I don't have that attachment.  Games like Skyrim, Obsidian RPGS. I find it easier to step outside of myself and actually be another character.  I think it's because those romances are really only effective if they speak to you on a personal level. People just didn't get Solas. They don't like his character. The romance doesn't resonate with them.  So they don't pursue it.  But they go for Blackwall because he was "attractive" to them to get invested in it. 

 

Agreed.  I do prefer to RP characters in general, but obviously I have to *like* the romances in order to play through those storylines.  I could very well create a character who would like Iron Bull, but as a player, I'm not particularly interested in seeing his romance, so that character doesn't get played.  So I wind up tweaking the characters a little as I go to make them fit the romances that I'm interested in seeing.

 

At the end of the day, it's about fun, and if clinging too tightly to the RP will make me play something I don't want to play, it rather defeats the purpose 

[phaonica]

O, I tried. I tried so bad to be a jerk to him. I did it all (killed the demon, told him I wanted it afterward), he called me cold (or something) but stayed with me. He started out all annoyed after the well and then fell back on "wanted to show you what you mean to me". It was so weird. I had specifically built up the romance and then done everything "wrong" to gather disapproval. No breakup. I was disappointed.

 

I often felt the same way in my Solas romance where my character wouldn't budge on her stance that all demons/spirits are bad, choosing to ally with the Templars, keeping the Wardens around, drinking from the Well, etc. I kind of wanted to see what kind of headway you could make with changing Solas' mind, the same way you kind of do with a Fenris rivalmance. But it doesn't really work with Solas, imo. He'll still tell you he respects you and whatnot. It's kind of weird, heh.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I often felt the same way in my Solas romance where my character wouldn't budge on her stance that all demons/spirits are bad, choosing to ally with the Templars, keeping the Wardens around, drinking from the Well, etc. I kind of wanted to see what kind of headway you could make with changing Solas' mind, the same way you kind of do with a Fenris rivalmance. But it doesn't really work with Solas, imo. He'll still tell you he respects you and whatnot. It's kind of weird, heh.

 

IMO the lack of breakup and/or playing the field is at least partially due to Solas's romance being added so late, and having to co-opt existing friendship scenes for much of his romance.  And there's no friendship/rivalry system in DA:I, though shades of it remain in some of the dialogue.

[Illyria]

All these creepy Solas imagines. I fill like I'm obligated to fill this thread with something else.

 

http://www.deviantar...paper-519959144

 

Illyria Greatly Approves.

 

And, as an apology for accidently causing a poopstorm around here, more Cole (and some elf named Sol-something):

 

Varric and Solas = Best Dads

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http://joannekwan.tu...ckering-parents

 

PRIORITIES!

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http://jessadilla.tu...t-reacting-hard

 

EDIT: Included the top half of the comic.  Didn't realise it wasn't all the same page.

[phaonica]

IMO the lack of breakup and/or playing the field is at least partially due to Solas's romance being added so late, and having to co-opt existing friendship scenes for much of his romance.  And there's no friendship/rivalry system in DA:I, though shades of it remain in some of the dialogue.

 

Probably. I didn't get get him mad enough at me to have the option to punch him, but I thought that surely something I did would make it clear to him that our characters were not compatible and he would break up with me over either some one thing or a collection of things that he thought were unacceptable. But nope.

 

Edit: I keep switching back and forth referring to "my character" and "me", heh.

[yetanothername]

Obviously these are generalizations.  I know people still RP these and do.  It's just that I think it's more rare in these cases.

 

I know you weren't trying to generalize anyone into the shadows! And I agree on it being easier in other places. That's my favorite part, though. I usually do several runs with different stories, but only keep a canon and an alt-canon (modded nightmare).

 

So I kept his personal quest and all judgments until after that point in order to have many chances left to anger him. Maybe what happened to me was not supposed to happen (bug?). I wanted to see his development if, once in a relationship, he discovered he had completely different world views. But the breakup I was promised just did not happen.

 

Ohhh. I didn't even know it was possible to defer the companion quest until after the balcony. I thought the one triggered the other. Huh. I don't mind so much any other individual event not ending the romance, because I don't know that he would be incapable of accepting them... but I think enough of them to go rival should. I went rivals first, though, so I didn't know that was absent.

[Illyria]

I agree with you on Alistair. I didn't get why people were complaining that their non-Cousland female PC could never have a happy ending with Alistair unless they played a female Cousland, made him king, and married him. I'm perfectly happy with my F!Mahariel and him being Wardens together (and as you can see in DA:I, Warden Alistair and the female Warden are still very much in love and happy for the most part). And I had no problem doing the Dark Ritual, though this might be because I'm selfish and want my Warden and Alistair to live. Also like you said, he made it clear that he didn't want to be king, and I had no problems with Anora ruling either. So my romance with him was also pretty much drama free, which is probably why I always look back on his romance with my Warden so fondly. 

 

So yeah, different strokes as you've said.

 

Anders was my first tragic/trainwreck romance. I got so many emotions going on by the time I ended DA2 -- frustration, rage, sadness, pity... Though I wonder what it says about me since I let him live and ran away with him? (Actually don't answer that, I'm afraid to know the answer, hehe!)

 

Then came Solas. Wow, I sure know how to pick them. I'm just waiting to see how this story will end. (Probably tragically or bittersweet, but I still have this tiniest bit of hope that we get a chance of something even slightly happy.)

 

While I was always happy with the way the Alistair romance ended (one of my Wardens died after making him king, one of them stayed with him as a Warden (used to be the mistress ending before I realised that the Warden choice made more sense for her) and one made him king, allowed Loghain to become a Warden).  Three/four very different ending with varying amounts of happiness.  The problem comes from DAI where it turns out that only a Cousland Warden has a chance to be happy with him (and possibly the mistress ending, too).  If you made him a Warden and kept the romance going then you're screwed in the non-fun way.

[Siha]

It wasn't just his romance - I was kind of annoyed I couldn't play the field in this game firstly.  Secondly, as you say, that there weren't a lot more points where he would dump you - that goes for all of them actually.  I feel like, if Solas is so angry about the wardens, a nice big argument scene about your opinions (kind of what you get with Sera and being "elfy") and then he/you  just realize it's not going to work. I don't think Solas is as entrenched in his own opinion as Sera - or at least isn't as immature - but I think there's certain things where he would be like 'no, i can't see this working realistically if you believe x,y,z and are passionate about it'.

 
I assume they might have done this with more time/budget. Though recently I hear many good things about the Sera romance. Seems like she is designed and developed a lot better than other romances in this game. I very often thought I would need to explain choices to Solas to deserve his positive opinion. But this happens when the weighing system does not work well. Killing a few ram and giving the meat to refugees is good, but making huge decisions he disapproves of greatly should not be balanced out by it. But I really think this is due to monetary reasons.
 

I often felt the same way in my Solas romance where my character wouldn't budge on her stance that all demons/spirits are bad, choosing to ally with the Templars, keeping the Wardens around, drinking from the Well, etc. I kind of wanted to see what kind of headway you could make with changing Solas' mind, the same way you kind of do with a Fenris rivalmance. But it doesn't really work with Solas, imo. He'll still tell you he respects you and whatnot. It's kind of weird, heh.

 
I felt similarly. My Trev did everything he disapproved of, but the small things (Hinterland side quests, a few judgements, his personal quest despite not allowing murder) were enough to just balance it out. I think a more detailed approval system would be important here but it would make matters more complicated (probably not only for the devs but also for the casual players). They tried to make it all seem more realistic by not showing us the approval rating but... well, that's just not enough.
It is okay for me if he still likes me despite decisions he does not approve of -- if I can explain myself to him, convince him of my integrity. Had they implemented that, the whole thing would be more believable.
 

Ohhh. I didn't even know it was possible to defer the companion quest until after the balcony. I thought the one triggered the other. 

And maybe it wasn't supposed to be possible and I ran into a bug. Or I remember wrong and I got the balcony scene after killing the demon (and this was a bug). I really don't know anymore, it's been too many months now. But I know exactly that I killed the demon, was mean about it, and he still stayed with me. Because I had deliberately tried to force a break up, but exactly this girl was the only one sticking with him until the vallaslin scene even (usually I broke up earlier).

[MoonDrummer]

While I was always happy with the way the Alistair romance ended (one of my Wardens died after making him king, one of them stayed with him as a Warden (used to be the mistress ending before I realised that the Warden choice made more sense for her) and one made him king, allowed Loghain to become a Warden).  Three/four very different ending with varying amounts of happiness.  The problem comes from DAI where it turns out that only a Cousland Warden has a chance to be happy with him (and possibly the mistress ending, too).  If you made him a Warden and kept the romance going then you're screwed in the non-fun way.

Depends on how much you like Hawke. Here lies the Abyss is never a hard choice for me, I have a Loghain warden in most of my saves so Hawke dies. 

[yetanothername]

 If you made him a Warden and kept the romance going then you're screwed in the non-fun way.

 

I am not familiar with this. Could you explain?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Wait no. I can't throw in the towel just yet. I've been up all night, my throat is parched from laughing... I've gone too far to just give in!

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lol This abomination just keeps getting worse.

 

Someone hop over to the Cullen/Ser Barris threads! (I'll take Samson in a pinch.) We need some templar assistance up in here!

 

Suddenly, tranquil!Solas is looking like a viable option.   

[BoscoBread]

While I was always happy with the way the Alistair romance ended (one of my Wardens died after making him king, one of them stayed with him as a Warden (used to be the mistress ending before I realised that the Warden choice made more sense for her) and one made him king, allowed Loghain to become a Warden).  Three/four very different ending with varying amounts of happiness.  The problem comes from DAI where it turns out that only a Cousland Warden has a chance to be happy with him (and possibly the mistress ending, too).  If you made him a Warden and kept the romance going then you're screwed in the non-fun way.

I think the only truly happy warden ending was Zevran/Warden.  Even though you don't see him, he's clearly stuck by the warden through everything.  Even the King Alistair mance sort of sucks - they have to probably be apart often - probably more often than warden alistair-mance.  I thought it was quite sad they were apart(warden alistair) especially given how ridiculously gushy and choked up he gets about it in DAI. Now it's so open-ended.   Alistair lives in my game - Hakwe is in the fade in that run. 20 bucks BW pulls a switcheroo and the person that goes to weisshaupt gets the ax and the one in the fade reappears at the ass end of thedas somewhere covered in goo or something but otherwise totally fine.

[Illyria]

Depends on how much you like Hawke. Here lies the Abyss is never a hard choice for me, I have a Loghain warden in most of my saves so Hawke dies. 

 

I still haven't picked my canon for Here Lies the Abyss.  I love my canon Hawke, and the fact that she's in a friendly romance with Fenris makes the choice very difficult.

 

And Alistair vanishes if he goes to the Anderfields, so reguardless of what option is picked my Surana isn't seeing her lover any time soon.

[BoscoBread]

I am not familiar with this. Could you explain?

presumably you left him to die in the fade or possibly die at weisshaupt.  so regardless the relationship potentially ends in despair and the warden isn't even there to say goodbye. 

[Illyria]

I am not familiar with this. Could you explain?

 

Alistair either dies during Here Lies the Abyss or vanishes post-game.