Rowan was in love with Maric before falling for Loghain.
I wouldn't say she was in love per se with Maric, but just having a huge crush on him, partly due to his apparently magnetic charm and all. She felt that way also because she was betrothed to him, so it helps with the feelings of infatuation.
His mum was murdered in front of him, his first love betrayed his army and was then killed by his own hand, his wife rotted to death and there was nothing he could do about it, his best friend becomes cold and distant and also gets his son killed, Fiona leaves to go to the opposite side of Ferelden, and he spends the last years of his life having his special dragon blood sucked out of him with a straw.
As for the terrible ideas, he only wins because Loghain and Rowan constantly bail him out, most of the battles he fights result in heavy casualties on his own side despite having a Loghain. I mean, for someone called Maric the Saviour I expected him to be more perfect.
I wouldn't say she was in love per say with Maric, but just having a huge crush on him, partly due to his apparently magnetic charm and all. She felt that way also because she was betrothed to him, so it helps with the feelings of infatuation.
Good points.
I'm not sure she was in love with him. They were an arranged thing and she liked him, but I think it's mostly wounded ego when she's upset over Katriel. She fell for Loghain pretty quickly in the midst of that.Rowan was in love with Maric before falling for Loghain. I've never been able to work out what Fiona does in Asunder that's so bad. She only holds a vote and goes with what the majority wants.
Good points.
Just want to point out that I'm not one of the people that consider Bianca or Fiona Mary Sues. I'm actually a fan of Fiona, but I think Bioware butchered her character in Inquisition.
And I agree that Maric is extremely lucky at some points, running into the Legion of the Dead stands out. 
I'm sorry...can someone please explain what a Mary Sue is? 
Just want to point out that I'm not one of the people that consider Bianca or Fiona Mary Sues. I'm actually a fan of Fiona, but I think Bioware butchered her character in Inquisition.
And I agree that Maric is extremely lucky at some points, running into the Legion of the Dead stands out.
Maric himself says that he was extremely lucky. 
Awww...the chickie that made my Solas Plushie just finished her Cole one..it's soo cute!!!
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I, personally, am in the Solas is truly Fen'Harel and not a vessel group. The thing is, I'm looking at it from the writers' perspective of they've done it already with Flemythal. If they do it with Solas, then it's going to get repetitive and display a seemingly lack of creativity on their part. It's this reason (along with others) that I also don't think Sera is Andruil's vessel. From my position, the only way I could see them doing Solas and Sera are vessels is with a really, really good reason, or if they do it with all the Creators, and even then they still need a really, really good reason. If not, then they risk appearing repetitive and doing the story a major disfavor. There are, of course, a collection of other reasons I don't personally believe Solas is the vessel, but this is just one from a logical standpoint. Ultimately, I believe Solas is actually Fen'Harel, and I believe that Sera is special in some way. However, I will be the first to admit my logic and reasoning are anything but concrete.
I agree with you completely.
Although, the only thing that gives me pause on the Sera is Andruil's vessel, is there's a banter with Cole or Solas where one of them asks her what she sees when she looks at the breach. And Sera says she remembers falling (supposedly from the fade) before shaking herself and saying it makes her head hurt. Something, is up with Sera. but I'm not sure the writers would want to play the vessel card more than once (unless that's how Solas trapped the gods? By locking them inside vessels? Or Andriul found a way to escape the trap?). I don't know.
I'm sorry...can someone please explain what a Mary Sue is?
Stealing and tweaking from wikipedia:
Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to achieve such standing. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the main characters if not all of them at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, which she alone possesses. And, if we are lucky, she has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire cast.
Male equivalent - Gary Stu or Marty Stu
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I'm sorry...can someone please explain what a Mary Sue is?
Pretty much a self-insert - or like wish-fufillment - So the manic-pixie dream girl in fan fics
Essentially the Mary-Sue:
the youngest
the nicest
the best
the first-iest
the funniest
the most not annoying
the smartest
the quirkiest but everyone loves it
the most beautiful
the world's last hope
the list goes on. sometimes it can't be helped in video games so the writer acknowledges it and playes with it. i don't have an issue with mary-sues perse. some people get like...REALLY REALLY mad about their existence but if the writing is good. whatever. pretty much EVERY lavellan in the fanfics is going full steam ahead on the mary sue train. it's fine...mostly because the inquisitor him/her self is a marysue. it's hard to avoid.
I see...thank you to you both. Yeah..my Lavellan is a Mary Sue. :-P
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I see...thank you to you both. Yeah..my Lavellan is a Mary Sue. :-P
EVERYONE's Lavellan is a Mary Sue. Our characters go from simple Firsts to the Keepers of our clans to leaders of the Inquisition over night. And we amazingly have all the skills required to get the job done.
DLC:
Not that I mind. I mean, it's a video game. But it does make me roll my eyes when I think about it.
I'm in the ancient Elvhen + powerful mage camp... He might have been viewed as a god but I don't think he self defines as such...
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Cole is a chick magnet
I love the colors of the first one! And really digging the Gorillaz cover (I was a big fan back in the day.)
And Cole is precious as always. 
Pretty much a self-insert - or like wish-fufillment - So the manic-pixie dream girl in fan fics
Essentially the Mary-Sue:
the youngest
the nicest
the best
the first-iest
the funniest
the most not annoying
the smartest
the quirkiest but everyone loves it
the most beautiful
the world's last hope
the list goes on. sometimes it can't be helped in video games so the writer acknowledges it and playes with it. i don't have an issue with mary-sues perse. some people get like...REALLY REALLY mad about their existence but if the writing is good. whatever. pretty much EVERY lavellan in the fanfics is going full steam ahead on the mary sue train. it's fine...mostly because the inquisitor him/her self is a marysue. it's hard to avoid.
*nervous laughter* A lot of those traits... my Tala has. xD
I see...thank you to you both. Yeah..my Lavellan is a Mary Sue. :-P
Mine is too. 
EVERYONE's Lavellan is a Mary Sue. Our characters go from simple Firsts to the Keepers of our clans to leaders of the Inquisition over night. And we amazingly have all the skills required to get the job done.
DLC:
Spoiler
*cough* OR go from simple clan hunters to leaders of the Inquisition *cough* (Not every Lavellan is a mage btw )
the youngest
the nicest
the best
the first-iest
the funniest
the most not annoying
the smartest
the quirkiest but everyone loves it
the most beautiful
the world's last hope
So me, basically.
*cough* OR go from simple clan hunters to leaders of the Inquisition *cough* (Not every Lavellan is a mage btw
Right. Sorry.
I love the colors of the first one! And really digging the Gorillaz cover (I was a big fan back in the day.)
And Cole is precious as always.
*nervous laughter* A lot of those traits... my Tala has. xD
Mine is too.
*cough* OR go from simple clan hunters to leaders of the Inquisition *cough* (Not every Lavellan is a mage btw
It's a trope for a reason. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just that usually the writing that goes along with it, is weak. The writers end up not developing the other characters so what happens is the mary sue is the only one that can possibly do anything so they imbue with them with all sorts of ridiculous powers. The Inquisitor - as they stand now in game - is essentially a mary sue. We may see this change as the Inquisition makes more enemies and loses power.
I love bashing the trope because it's so funny - thus the list. But again, I don't partifcularly mind it and it's fun when roleplaying. Also my favorite Mary-Sue - http://vhenantrash.t...llow-star-shine
EVERYONE's Lavellan is a Mary Sue. Our characters go from simple Firsts to the Keepers of our clans to leaders of the Inquisition over night. And we amazingly have all the skills required to get the job done.
Eh, I disagree. You have these experienced advisers for a reason. You can also choose options that speak to your own doubts. Not everyone is a mage nor perfectly skilled. Some people might take it for granted, but there are things implied that you learn/are prepped for. As a Lavellan, well, you have those elf prompts in dialogue. That's reasonable to assume you know. But other things you are clearly taught, such as the Game, and you can take knowledge perks that are like, hey, you've been studying. But the greater implication isn't that you're the complete package right away, but that you grow over time.
Many players won't care about this stuff, but there are assumptions and in-between moments not depicted that one can consider, even if not depicted by the game.
Any character can be a Sue. At this point, the internet has given the term 'Sue' have such a ridiculously broad definition that almost every character falls under the category.
Having power or being lucky does not make someone a Sue. It makes them a main character. Can the Inquisitor be a 'true' Sue? Sure. But they don't have to be. A true 'Sue' has nothing to do with unique abilities or traits, but how the story bends over backwards to glorify them. Usually at the expense of other characters and plotlines. The Inquisitor does not do this by default.
Any character can be a Sue. At this point, the internet has given the term 'Sue' have such a ridiculously broad definition that almost every character falls under the category.
Very true
Any character can be a Sue. At this point, the internet has given the term 'Sue' have such a ridiculously broad definition that almost every character falls under the category.
Having power or being lucky does not make someone a Sue. It makes them a main character. Can the Inquisitor be a 'true' Sue? Sure. But they don't have to be. A true 'Sue' has nothing to do with unique abilities or traits, but how the story bends over backwards to glorify them. Usually at the expense of other characters and plotlines. The Inquisitor does not do this by default.
I agree! It's really hard to apply the Mary Sue designation to player characters in games like Dragon Age anyways. When I think of a Mary Sue, I think of a flawless (or just has quirky flaws that are cute) character that is equal to/better than the main characters in terms of skills and likability and is implemented swiftly and easily and everyone loves them despite them not really fitting. Since we ARE the main character in Dragon Age, none of these things really apply. The story revolves around us because it has to and we have the special powers because we have to.
Now PCs can have "Sue-ish" traits. If a character is the prettiest, smartest, funniest, quirkiest, strongest, most impressive and everybody loves them, those are Sue-ish traits. And there's nothing wrong with them in themselves, but it borders just close enough to perfect to be reminiscent of what people dislike about Mary Sues. That doesn't make them the traditional definition of a Mary Sue, though, which I agree is super broad!
I never got why people called characters like Fiona Mary Sues anyways, considering she has made enormous mistakes.
I love bashing the trope because it's so funny - thus the list. But again, I don't partifcularly mind it and it's fun when roleplaying. Also my favorite Mary-Sue - http://vhenantrash.t...llow-star-shine
But, see, it's not Mary-Sue enough. For that to be the case she'd have to spell her name Wyllow Star-Shyne. The more unique the name, the more unique the character - and EVERYone knows that you spell everything with a 'y' to be unique!
Joking aside, Mary Sues tend to be painfully obvious not just because they are the clear best and perfect-est at everything but because the rest of the writing tends to be bad. All the focus is on the fantasy of oneself as the inserted character and the rest of the story is incidental to that. I'm not sure Fiona counts as a Mary Sue just because she's a written character when our PCs do a lot of the same amazing things. It's the nature of a video game, though it is also why I like the occasions where your character "loses" a mission or ends up thrown in a dungeon. It gets boring to be amazing all the time, and hey, some of your goddamn companions can get off their arses and come save you for once.
So in order not to be a Mary Sue you're character has to have a bunch of flaws...
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seriously my quizzies and hawkes are all giant balls of **** up. In my headcannon at least...
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