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[BabyPuncher]

Any character can be a Sue. At this point, the internet has given the term 'Sue' have such a ridiculously broad definition that almost every character falls under the category. 

 

Having power or being lucky does not make someone a Sue. It makes them a main character. Can the Inquisitor be a 'true' Sue? Sure. But they don't have to be. A true 'Sue' has nothing to do with unique abilities or traits, but how the story bends over backwards to glorify them. Usually at the expense of other characters and plotlines. The Inquisitor does not do this by default. 

 

It has everything to do with unique abilities and traits. And the Inquisitor absolutely does this by default.

 

The Inquisitor is continually glorified as the Awesomest Person In All Thedas who fixes all the problems of the world by being Just That Awesome. And there's just nothing to back it up at all. The Inquisitor is not very courageous. Not charismatic. Not particularly intelligent. Not even skilled.

 

None of those things ever come up in the story. The closest in during the attack on Haven, where I suppose the Inquisitor does display some courage. But just...not enough. Not near enough to justify the continual shilling.

[BabyPuncher]

For the record, it's completely possible to have a character who is essentially perfect and not have them be a Mary Sue in the slightest. In fact, I would say these are quite common in fiction. Characters who are brave, and skilled, and beautiful, and do as much as they can to do right by others and help those in need.

 

You just have to make sure they aren't contrived. That is, the qualities the narrative claims exist actually do exist and actually show up in the story. And that those qualities have believable origins and foundations. As in, a character shouldn't pick up a gun for the first time and be the best marksmen ever.

[RogueBait]

Spoiler

 

Okay, but who's who? Discuss.

 

(Fight.)

 

On topic: Cole would be Thelma and Solas would be Louise.

 

EDIT: OH GOD I wish I knew how to edit animated .gifs. I need Solas and Cole edited onto this so bad.

[Heidirs]

That would be me    And that's also how I happen to like the egghead.

 

[BoscoBread]

Okay, but who's who? Discuss.

 

(Fight.)

 

On topic: Cole would be Thelma and Solas would be Louise.

 

EDIT: OH GOD I wish I knew how to edit animated .gifs. I need Solas and Cole edited onto this so bad.

No way!.  Solas and Dorian.  I feel like Dorian's intense need to be loved by Solas would lead to this insane conclusion.  Cole would not approve of Solas' killing of that guy and want to report him to the police.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Okay, but who's who? Discuss.

 

Dirthamen and Falon'Din? 

[MoonDrummer]

Okay, but who's who? Discuss.

 

(Fight.)

 

On topic: Cole would be Thelma and Solas would be Louise.

 

EDIT: OH GOD I wish I knew how to edit animated .gifs. I need Solas and Cole edited onto this so bad.

Anders and a Hawke that didn't kill him?

[Siha]

No way. Obviously Varric and Bianca.

[Illyria]

No way. Obviously Varric and Bianca.

 

The crossbow, the woman or both?

[MoonDrummer]

The crossbow, the woman or both?

The Crossbow and the woman, no Varric though. He can be this guy: 

[NightSymphony]

Going through my favorites folder in Deviant Art...I don't remember seeing this art ever shared here...

http://maicakes.devi.../15823949&qo=15

[Cee]

Oh nice, one of my favorite bits of Solavellan art made the spotlight: http://www.dragonage...otlight-april-7

 

[Siha]

The Crossbow and the woman, no Varric though. He can be this guy:

Damn, you beat me. You're the true Highlander.

[Lady Artifice]

I don't comprehend Dagna hate. Like, at all. She's adorable and chipper and sweet, and I love her. Her personality is infectious and uplifting, which with the world ending at the hands of a wannabe god Magister and causing plenty to be negative cookies, is a nice breath of fresh air. Blargh. People can be annoyed by her voice all they want, but I'll continue wanting to hug-squish her every time she speaks. I love Laura Bailey. Yes, she's in so much, but I adore her. Pffffft. I've been a fangirl of hers for years, so maybe having a girl crush on Laura Bailey plays into my liking Dagna (and Bianca) but nonetheless, why hate Dagna? I don't agree with nor like the Bianca hate (same with Fiona), but to an extent I can see where they're coming from. Dagna, though? Dagna? I'm just...I need to a flip table. Excuse me. Character hate gets on my nerves to the max. I can understanding not liking a character, but expressing your dislike and hate at every chance? I'll be seeing myself out, then. It would be nice if there were as many people expressing like as there are dislike out there. And I'm not even going to get into my issues with people using "Mary-Sue!" and "Gary-Stu!" as refutes. That term has become so broad and derogatory nowadays, to me it's hardly used adequately any longer. It's true meaning is too disputable. 

 

*Coughs.* All right. I'm done. I've done my share of ranting. I apologize it, erm, annoys anyone. I just have some pent up frustration directed at negative cookies that I needed to release. I'll attempt to redirect myself to back on topic-ness.

 

On topic: Solas' eyes. My Lavellan undoubtedly stared into them for awkwardly long periods. and with incredibly bad timing.

 

". . .Inquisitor, is there something on my face?"

 

"No. . . No, there isn't. Well, there is, but that's not- It's not. . . Uhm. . ." Awkward laugh; loses self in eyes again.

 

". . ."

 

I enthusiastically agree with you about Dagna hate being completely absurd. She's much too adorable for it. 

[RogueBait]

No way!.  Solas and Dorian.  I feel like Dorian's intense need to be loved by Solas would lead to this insane conclusion.  Cole would not approve of Solas' killing of that guy and want to report him to the police.

 

Well I actually meant to ask who's who between Siha and Avejajed, in what could be perceived as a sneaky attempt to cause a minor forum strife, and GO! 

 

But you're totally right, of course. I just want to see Solas and Cole hold hands as they recklessly leap into a canyon together. ಥ‿ಥ

[MoonDrummer]

Well I actually meant to ask who's who between Siha and Avejajed, in what could be perceived as a sneaky attempt to cause a minor forum strife, and GO! 

 

But you're totally right, of course. I just want to see Solas and Cole hold hands as they recklessly leap into a canyon together. ಥ‿ಥ

Ave = Louise

Siha = Thelma

Spoiler

Modifié par MoonDrummer, 07 avril 2015 - 10:02 .

[Illyria]

Oh nice, one of my favorite bits of Solavellan art made the spotlight: http://www.dragonage...otlight-april-7

 

That Alistair doll actually looks like him.  Unlike a certain other Alistair doll we saw in here recently.

[yetanothername]

Hey, I was here first and s/he's already caught my eye.

 

In the interest of furthering communication between our species and reducing the understandable confusion, I have carefully selected from an assortment of common GIF translations.

 

 

I'm continually amazed by the photographer's ability to capture the nuance of expression, and personally feel its intuitive understanding of the intent really carried the scenes.

[BabyPuncher]

But for every time I wish something had played out differently, a hundred people may be sending them happy letters. More than that, for every hundred people complaining about something being pointless, a single person may send a meaningful thank you that made their time worthwhile. Who is one person to say what the right direction is? It may well be a different direction than many posters would like, but it doesn't make it wrong. This, more than anything else, is what keeps me from even the most well-reasoned topics devoted solely to deconstruction - the certainty that they have merely gone astray, and require one specific person's guidance to get back on track. That's not how it works. Feedback is important, but it just comes off armchair-developer.

 

That is pure and simple drivel. Forgive me for being blunt, but these are the words of cowards and hypocrites. 

 

"Who are you to actually think? How dare you! If you think, you might be wrong! And people might...disagree with you! What gives you the right to put any value on your brain?!?"

 

If you think whimpering in a corner is the best course of action, that's your prerogative. Whimpering certainly seems to be increasing glorified as the ultimate act of good in this day and age. It's saddening that BioWare puts such a high value on it themselves. 

 

I don't do that.

 

Who is one person to say what the right direction is?

 

One person saying what the right direction is is the only thing that's ever moved the world forward.

[RebbyWriter]

off topic: That moment when you explain the difference between irony and coincidence to someone and you're afraid that you will no longer be invited to their parties.

 

On topic: I found this gif of GDL

 

....Yeah..

 

Modifié par RebbyWriter, 08 avril 2015 - 12:48 .

[RogueBait]

HAY GUYS, I'm doing a non-porny Solavellan fic with my Inquisitor, Tala. I'm proud to have resisted the siren call of the Solas sex. So far...

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/8194065

[Siha]

Ave = Louise
Siha = Thelma

Spoiler

I've never watched the movie and had to look it up. At first I was a bit undecided about being Thelma, but then I learned that I basically had sex with Brad Pitt by association. Siha greatly approves.
No ragrets.

[Siha]

In the interest of furthering communication between our species and reducing the understandable confusion, I have carefully selected from an assortment of common GIF translations.

Oh god, you're not actually a mouse.

[Maria13]

That....

 

*Snip!*

[yetanothername]

That is pure and simple drivel. Forgive me for being blunt, but these are the words of cowards and hypocrites. 

 

"Who are you to actually think? How dare you! If you think, you might be wrong! And people might...disagree with you! What gives you the right to put any value on your brain?!?"

 

If you think whimpering in a corner is the best course of action, that's your prerogative. Whimpering certainly seems to be increasing glorified as the ultimate act of good in this day and age. It's saddening that BioWare puts such a high value on it themselves. 

 

I don't do that.

 

Not at all. As I said, feedback is important, and I don't feel my own opinions are wrong. Why would I have them, otherwise? I don't expect others to adhere to them, though, when it comes to what they create for others to enjoy. I don't whimper, as a rule, but while I can unfortunately understand the mentality that believes shouting into the night while others walk away is merely avoiding the appearance of cowardice, the reality is that you appear more like a small terrier, yapping at the wind, because it is the biggest dog around.

 

My point, which does not seem to be important, so I gather this should be my last reply (though everyone has been kind enough to not crucify me for doing so the first time), is that these are not our toys. Even putting aside that they are games, books, toys, stories, whatever, accounting for the fact that one can care for them very much, that doesn't mean they won't diverge from us. It's not brave to call your ex and give them an 8 page list of where they went wrong in their relationship and why they were foolish to take a path that diverged from yours. It's sad. Letting them go their own way doesn't mean you have to alter your course by a single step - it just means accepting that people, books, games, and our own ability to appreciate them, will fluctuate with time.

 

I can see the parts of Rand that must appeal to you, but regardless of what I think of that, I think you are missing the part where you go out and create yourself, rather than relying on others to do it for you.

 

One person saying what the right direction is is the only thing that's ever moved the world forward.

 

I envy the certainty you seem to have in all things great and small. It must be very comforting. Perhaps a return to topic?