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[Siha]

EDIT: There's fanart of all the Inner Circle as kids and the Viv one is just amazing.  It shows her using magic with an expression that is half delight and half terror.  It really makes you think about what she was like as a child and how she became the woman she is today.

 

I always get like this when I hear Cole speak to her about the Templar coming after her. What happened to her? We know there's a backstory, a reason for her hidden fears and all that. But we'll never find out (unless they write another novel, in which case Siha will never find out).

[CapricornSun]

So, I'm seeing a lot of funny Solas edits done by Tumblr user cheekywithcullen on Tumblr right now. Just thought I'd share it with you guys. xD

 

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"I will live to regret this: what if you shopped Dorian's mustache onto Solas?"

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And with hair.

 

 

And then Waluigi.

 

 

http://cheekywithcul...-if-you-shopped

 

Solas and Flemeth switch bodies. (Reminds me of Rabbit's avatar)

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http://cheekywithcul...las-and-flemeth

 

Solas and Cullen switch bodies.

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http://cheekywithcul...witching-bodies

 

Solas on Cullen's body: Cullen's romance scene.

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http://cheekywithcul...t-i-know-i-said

 

"omg can you put solas head on iron bulls romance scenes pls"

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http://cheekywithcul...n-bulls-romance

 

I'm sorry.

[Illyria]

(Hmm, I know it's not fair but I'm okay with Tallis not being there...  ) 

 

But yeah, Sketch should have been included. 

 

And regarding Sera, I think I'm starting to appreciate her as a character. Don't get me wrong, I still want to wring her neck from time to time but I am liking her much better now than I did before. She's still not besties with my Tala, however, even during a second PT (because of the elfy thing  ).

 

Poor Tallis.  I don't like her much, I also feel the need to defend her against her haters.  It's probably part of being a fan of other unpopular characters.

[Colonelkillabee]

  I admit I was so taken aback by her, when I first encountered her. Didn't do any research for her character before I started the game, so it was a surprise, lol. I do appreciate the salt and pepper she brings to the table,so to speak, lol. But yes, her childlike behavior can be off putting at times, and I understand why some people are rather split in opinions regarding her.

I'm rather neutral to be honest, because in my mind, my Inquisitor did not have the time to parent or pamper any of the characters. Sure, empathy and counsel, advice and basically anything that is within a normal range of interaction goes, but I simply imagine that with such a big war going on and such important issues that the Inquisition had to face each day, decisions and preferences would have to revolve around  the bigger picture. So, while my Inquisitor might not align with the views of others, she would see them, and Sera, as assets which could help the Inquisition. After all, some see your Inquisitor as an asset as well, and place their beliefs and expectations on your character as well.

 

Exaaactly. Maybe some people are into playing therapist/parent for other people, but I'm certainly not. Sera is supposed to be a dang adult, I expect her to act like one. I already have Varric, I don't need another kid, lol.

 

I let her come with the hopes that her character would show some improvement, but she just got worse... I did the friend dialogue once on my first playthrough and I just felt like an enabler to her insanity really.

[RoyalRel]

Exaaactly. Maybe some people are into playing therapist/parent for other people, but I'm certainly not. Sera is supposed to be a dang adult, I expect her to act like one. I already have Varric, I don't need another kid, lol.

 

I let her come with the hopes that her character would show some improvement, but she just got worse... I did the friend dialogue once on my first playthrough and I just felt like an enabler to her insanity really.

 

I guess I do like  a more pragmatic approach, at least while I have the chance to role-play in a game like this and in such a context. Were it the real me, in this situation....I HAVE NO IDEA, LOL. I'm too much of a worry-wart, overload But I'd at least try to keep a clear head about everything.

 

Aaaand hey, at least you weren't bored

[Delphine]

I wouldn't say you're wrong, I just have another opinion here. I don't think she is racist (as in "all elves are worth less than other races"). I think she is biased, yes, but her prejudices are against a mindset, in this case the Dalish attitude. She has no problem with elves but with "elfy people". (Of course, on first sight she expects this to be true for a Dalish elf more than for a human.) I assume she is not judgemental of city elves in the first place. In the end, her prejudices boil down to a dislike of a particular religion (elven gods etc.) and mindset (the Dalish seclusion and their tendency to feel superior to others, e.g. city elves). The first I dislike, the latter I understand well because I found it off-putting myself in the previous games. Still, both are prejudices, there I agree.

 

What do you think of The Unfinished Swan? (Is that indie at all?) I am not really into platforming/exploring, which is probably why indie games have rarely reached my heart so far. But from a purely artistic point of view I see the appeal. And TUS should be really interesting for you, considering how original it is?

 

The rest I applaud.

 

I agree that it's mostly prejudice, but the Dalish act the way they do because they are persecuted, and are trying to retain whatever culture and history they can salvage. They are to blame too, that I won't deny, but in the bigger picture, they're still the oppressed minority, and as such, Sera is just further perpetuating an oppression that is already existing on a higher level, and she's being an enabler of it. She can have very valid reasons to do so, but it still looks to me like she's throwing rocks at the target everybody else is throwing rocks at for centuries already. And she might hate the Dalish, but doesn't see her hating the Dalish won't make her elfy existence more valid to humans hating the Dalish as well, because these humans usually hate all Elves, regardless of where they are from, or if their faces are tattooed or not. So by hating the Dalish, she's further validating humans hating on elves altogether, Dalish AND city elves, which includes her, but she seems to forget that conveniently, sometimes.

Anyways, Dalish can be quite the asses, and people will love blaming everything on them. Yet, I feel they act the way they do, and appear extremely superior and arrogant to everybody else, because they're in this extreme survival mode, and try to preserve themselves in whatever way they can, including all the wrong ones.

 

As for The Unfinished Swan, just looked at a Let's Play of it, and damn, it looks great! I love the concept, so I'll definitely check it out, as soon as my PS3 will finish updating (so in approximatively 14332 years?). But yeah, it is indeed an indie game. I love the exploring concept, and they took an interesting twist on it that makes it even more intriguing! Thanks for the advice

[Siha]

I agree that it's mostly prejudice, but the Dalish act the way they do because they are persecuted, and are trying to retain whatever culture and history they can salvage. They are to blame too, that I won't deny, but in the bigger picture, they're still the oppressed minority

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As for The Unfinished Swan, just looked at a Let's Play of it, and damn, it looks great! I love the concept, so I'll definitely check it out, as soon as my PS3 will finish updating (so in approximatively 14332 years?). But yeah, it is indeed an indie game. I love the exploring concept, and they took an interesting twist on it that makes it even more intriguing! Thanks for the advice

 

I didn't mean to say she is right or anything. No stereotype or prejudice is good (though we'd have a hard time getting rid of them). I disliked the Dalish hostility because arrogance leads to seclusion. But I do see where it is coming from. It's a circle, really, and two things tend to fuel each other.  In life it's hard to always act "correctly". However, all of the "legitimacy" of one side or the other was not the point of my post. I only meant to say that I think "racism" isn't quite Sera's problem but a different, more social/cultural bias.  

 

If we really want to discuss Sera's motivations (partly her even being unaware of these herself), I see many more reasons and influences. But this should be discussed over in the Sera thread and not here.

 

You're welcome. I read a few reviews and watched videos, it seemed very original and clever to me. Tell me what you think of it after playing, I do consider getting it myself. I just haven't made up my mind yet because, as I said, I'm more into stealth/action (I'm boring, I know ).

[Siha]

I'm rather neutral to be honest, because in my mind, my Inquisitor did not have the time to parent or pamper any of the characters.

 

Exaaactly. Maybe some people are into playing therapist/parent for other people, but I'm certainly not.

 

I've read this idea before but I don't see where it is coming from. There's no point in the game where Sera actually needs pampering or therapy. She has her issues but they do not influence her performance, hence they are unimportant and the inquisitor can simply ignore them. It's her own private business in the end. It's not like she broke down in the middle of a fight or sold secrets to the enemy because of some weird inner struggle. She can be treated like RoyalRei suggested: use her as an asset and ignore anything else. There's no need to understand her if one doesn't wish to.

[Addai]

I've read this idea before but I don't see where it is coming from. There's no point in the game where Sera actually needs pampering or therapy. She has her issues but they do not influence her performance, hence they are unimportant and the inquisitor can simply ignore them. It's her own private business in the end. It's not like she broke down in the middle of a fight or sold secrets to the enemy because of some weird inner struggle. She can be treated like RoyalRei suggested: use her as an asset and ignore anything else. There's no need to understand her if one doesn't wish to.

I think her personal quest does show that she's unstable. Solas also will kill out of revenge but she decides to kill the noble while you're negotiating with him. That's insubordination. Though it's also in conversations with her. You can't have an even-handed disagreement with her because she just digs her heels in like a child.

On Lavellan I just recruit then ignore her, but on my speed run Trevelyan it felt good not to feel like I had to bother with her or Vivienne. Blackwall ditched me and I could easily say good riddance to him, too, though I like his character more than the other two.

[RoyalRel]

I've read this idea before but I don't see where it is coming from. There's no point in the game where Sera actually needs pampering or therapy. She has her issues but they do not influence her performance, hence they are unimportant and the inquisitor can simply ignore them. It's her own private business in the end. It's not like she broke down in the middle of a fight or sold secrets to the enemy because of some weird inner struggle. She can be treated like RoyalRei suggested: use her as an asset and ignore anything else. There's no need to understand her if one doesn't wish to.

 

I do see what you mean. Still, her reaction is rather negative if you fail to align yourself to her views, and can even be rather incisive, which is why I choose not to..play her game as it were and opt for more neutral replies and indeed view her more like an asset. Her behavior can hinder sometimes certain interests for the Inquisition, for example the quest where you have to deal with the noble (her personal quest). Sometimes that reads to me like a child-like behavior, which is why I mentioned the parent thing. She sort of draws this out from the interactions. But then again, I only had the chance to play the game 2 times, so I might remember things incorrectly.

[Colonelkillabee]

I've read this idea before but I don't see where it is coming from. There's no point in the game where Sera actually needs pampering or therapy. She has her issues but they do not influence her performance, hence they are unimportant and the inquisitor can simply ignore them. It's her own private business in the end. It's not like she broke down in the middle of a fight or sold secrets to the enemy because of some weird inner struggle. She can be treated like RoyalRei suggested: use her as an asset and ignore anything else. There's no need to understand her if one doesn't wish to.

It's like this, just because the dynamite didn't go off, doesn't mean it won't. This is why people get background checked. Chick is not all there in the brain pan. Would not risk my life bringing someone like that in a fight. I consider her not having some sort of issue during the mission bad writing really. Well actually, there was her killing the noble while you're trying to talk and get all information first before making a decision. I don't care about his death but that highlighted my problem with her right there.

Either way I pretty much do just let her sit in skyhold and use her for war table assets, if appropriate. Otherwise, "no, this is ridiculous."

[Colonelkillabee]

I guess I do like a more pragmatic approach, at least while I have the chance to role-play in a game like this and in such a context. Were it the real me, in this situation....I HAVE NO IDEA, LOL. I'm too much of a worry-wart, overload But I'd at least try to keep a clear head about everything.

Aaaand hey, at least you weren't bored

Lol at that last line yes, court jester is the only reason I keep her around tbh.

[Addai]

Having characters around that drive you nuts can be amusing. I loved tormenting Wynne with my blood mages. Stuff your Circle, hag. My Dalish elf let Morrigan turn her into a char stain. Best game ever.

Then again, at a basic level I respect all the companions for taking part in your mission. I also appreciate that this time the characters are at least annoying because they're strong personalities, versus DA2 where Fenris and Anders in a party felt like a forum argument for the mage-templar war. Vivienne is kind of one-note to me, as well. Solas would've been, without his romance for contrast. Kudos to PW there.

[Siha]

On Lavellan I just recruit then ignore her, but on my speed run Trevelyan it felt good not to feel like I had to bother with her or Vivienne.

 

Still, her reaction is rather negative if you fail to align yourself to her views, and can even be rather incisive, which is why I choose not to..play her game as it were and opt for more neutral replies and indeed view her more like an asset. 

 

This is about how I think too. Somebody can be stubborn and dislike whatever s/he wants, if I don't wish to put up with him/her I can simply get along on a professional basis. I don't have to keep in touch with people I don't like personally. So as the inquisitor I don't even see any need to tend to somebody's personal issues/feelings if I don't want to. I don't care what people think of me if I'm not fond of them, so her negative reactions wouldn't interest me.

 

I don't know about the noble though, I never saw her kill him. I assume I'd made my decision too early on (usually using the nobility perk because that was just the best of both worlds anyway).

[Addai]

I don't know about the noble though, I never saw her kill him. I assume I'd made my decision too early on (usually using the nobility perk because that was just the best of both worlds anyway).

If you keep talking to him and ignore Sera's foot stomping about it, she eventually just starts bludgeoning him to death. I'm not sure what happens with the nobility perk, since I roleplay those and it didn't make sense to me for Lavellan to have it. That was the only time I did Sera's quest.

[Siha]

If you keep talking to him and ignore Sera's foot stomping about it, she eventually just starts bludgeoning him to death. I'm not sure what happens with the nobility perk, since I roleplay those and it didn't make sense to me for Lavellan to have it. That was the only time I did Sera's quest.

 

If you have the perk and he offers you a deal (which happens early in the conversation, I think), you basically say "No. You simply give me everything you own, you're in no position to negotiate". Sera will approve, because while she dislikes him still breathing she must confess that your way of handling the situation was smarter and would benefit the Inquisition more than killing him; besides debasing him which she enjoys to see.

[Heidirs]

If you have the perk and he offers you a deal (which happens early in the conversation, I think), you basically say "No. You simply give me everything you own, you're in no position to negotiate". Sera will approve, because while she dislikes him still breathing she must confess that your way of handling the situation was smarter and would benefit the Inquisition more than killing him; besides debasing him which she enjoys to see.

 

The sad part of that is he doesn't actually become an agent for you in terms of mechanics. Story-wise, yes. Mechanics no.

 

I just let her kill him. Because he's a douche. And I love the "Now you're just making wine" line.

[Addai]

The sad part of that is he doesn't actually become an agent for you in terms of mechanics. Story-wise, yes. Mechanics no.
 
I just let her kill him. Because he's a douche. And I love the "Now you're just making wine" line.

Yeah, he is a douche. And he's bound for the corpse pile anyway, since he's a Fereldan yokel mixing himself in the Game. OTOH, you're still a military commander and Sera's out of line. As she is when she pulls a bow on the Inquisitor for drinking from the Well despite not showing any signs of frothing at the mouth. Contrast to Solas again, who actually knows something of what he's talking about regarding the Well, versus Sera just having prejudice. Despite being opinionated, he at least has some self control.

[Heidirs]

Yeah, he is a douche. And he's bound for the corpse pile anyway, since he's a Fereldan yokel mixing himself in the Game. OTOH, you're still a military commander and Sera's out of line. As she is when she pulls a bow on the Inquisitor for drinking from the Well despite not showing any signs of frothing at the mouth. Contrast to Solas again, who actually knows something of what he's talking about regarding the Well, versus Sera just having prejudice. Despite being opinionated, he at least has some self control.

 

I do feel Sera's half right. Mythal could make you do anything she wanted - perhaps more people should have bows pointed at you.

 

 

 

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I do love this line. Though, I get stuck on "usually." Solas, do tell me of an instance when leaving food out for the giant spiders didn't work. 

 

[Addai]

I do feel Sera's half right. Mythal could make you do anything she wanted - perhaps more people should have bows pointed at you.

Anyone could be possessed or, you know, just start killing a noble they don't like because he did what everyone at Halamshiral does on a routine basis. Until the Inquisitor starts showing signs of possession, you don't threaten your superior. Even if the Inquisitor did so, it wouldn't be Sera's job to remove you. I think it just underlines what Colonel was saying earlier, that she's too immature and unstable to be in the kind of position you've put her in. Just because she might be your pal doesn't give her the right to do what any ordinary Inquisition soldier could be tried for doing.
 

I do love this line. Though, I get stuck on "usually." Solas, do tell me of an instance when leaving food out for the giant spiders didn't work.

Not to mention that the giant spiders' food often consists of humans in those web body bags. 

[Heidirs]

Anyone could be possessed or, you know, just start killing a noble they don't like because he did what everyone at Halamshiral does on a routine basis. Until the Inquisitor starts showing signs of possession, you don't threaten your superior. Even if the Inquisitor did so, it wouldn't be Sera's job to remove you. I think it just underlines what Colonel was saying earlier, that she's too immature and unstable to be in the kind of position you've put her in. Just because she might be your pal doesn't give her the right to do what any ordinary Inquisition soldier could be tried for doing.

 

I disagree. Those nobles in Halamshiral (or any noble, for that matter) shouldn't get away with half the stuff they do. But they do get away with it because the justice system is corrupt, and they're nobles so they have standing and money to get themselves out of it. As part of Red Jenny, Sera looks out for the people who wouldn't have their cases heard if they tried to expose a noble for what they are. She's doing a good service, in my opinion.

 

As for possession, if someone's gone all demon-y, you take them out. No point in wasting time on the chain of command while the demon is allowed to rampage and kill people. Sera was checking to make sure you were you, and you passed. I'd say that was a far assessment to undergo.

 

As for killing the noble in her personal quest - as I said, I'll all for it. I was really miffed at the guy's nonchalant murder of the messenger, not to mention others of Sera's contacts who we don't see. And then he passes it off as being in the right for it. By all means, Sera take him out.

 

Now, as a player or under a certain roleplay, yeah, you can be miffed at Sera for doing that. Though they don't give you the option of judging her, you can always ask her to leave - and I think there's a point where she can get mad at you and go on her own (?).

 

I like Sera. I realize she can rub people the wrong way. Her character certainly isn't going to appeal to everyone. But I feel the "Sera is a whiny child" viewpoint of her character is unfair. There's reason and logic to what she does. It's just not everyone agrees with it. And that's fine. I can get behind that. But I don't agree she's "immature" in her actions. In fact, I find there's a lot of sense in what other people might consider to be her more nonsensical moments.

[Addai]

I disagree. Those nobles in Halamshiral (or any noble, for that matter) shouldn't get away with half the stuff they do. But they do get away with it because the justice system is corrupt, and they're nobles so they have standing and money to get themselves out of it. As part of Red Jenny, Sera looks out for the people who wouldn't have their cases heard if they tried to expose a noble for what they are. She's doing a good service, in my opinion.

As part of the Inquisition, she does what the Inquisitor tells her to do or else you'd better put her in charge instead because you shouldn't be running a large military and political organization.

If you want to play avenging angel for all the atrocities that go on in the Game, well... good luck with that.
 

As for possession, if someone's gone all demon-y, you take them out. No point in wasting time on the chain of command while the demon is allowed to rampage and kill people. Sera was checking to make sure you were you, and you passed. I'd say that was a far assessment to undergo.

You weren't killing people and you weren't all demon-y.

Anyway, not really on topic so I guess we can leave it at agree to disagree. To me Sera shows all the signs of being a twelve year old who refuses to grow up.

[Jaison1986]

I disagree. Those nobles in Halamshiral (or any noble, for that matter) shouldn't get away with half the stuff they do. But they do get away with it because the justice system is corrupt, and they're nobles so they have standing and money to get themselves out of it. As part of Red Jenny, Sera looks out for the people who wouldn't have their cases heard if they tried to expose a noble for what they are. She's doing a good service, in my opinion.

 

As for possession, if someone's gone all demon-y, you take them out. No point in wasting time on the chain of command while the demon is allowed to rampage and kill people. Sera was checking to make sure you were you, and you passed. I'd say that was a far assessment to undergo.

 

As for killing the noble in her personal quest - as I said, I'll all for it. I was really miffed at the guy's nonchalant murder of the messenger, not to mention others of Sera's contacts who we don't see. And then he passes it off as being in the right for it. By all means, Sera take him out.

 

Now, as a player or under a certain roleplay, yeah, you can be miffed at Sera for doing that. Though they don't give you the option of judging her, you can always ask her to leave - and I think there's a point where she can get mad at you and go on her own (?).

 

I like Sera. I realize she can rub people the wrong way. Her character certainly isn't going to appeal to everyone. But I feel the "Sera is a whiny child" viewpoint of her character is unfair. There's reason and logic to what she does. It's just not everyone agrees with it. And that's fine. I can get behind that. But I don't agree she's "immature" in her actions.

 

I think the fact Sera is the only companion with an "leave" option is kind of telling. The devs must have figured it out that she would annoy a lot of people.

 

Not to mention that being bound to Mythal is not possession like it is with demons. It's an bond, while with demons, it's literally an alien presence invading your body. And usually mutating you into a horrible creature. If anything, Sera is the one actually possessed if the theories are true.

 

Sera is just too unresonable. She sees the world with an limited perspective and refuse to accept new ideas. She prefers to think that the temple of Mythal is an place of demon worship because she can't phantom the idea that elven beliefs have an semblance of truth. So, while she is not stupid on the sense that she is unintelligent, she is definitely stupid when it comes to accept new things.

[MoonDrummer]

She also throws a punch at you if you bring her to Adamant. If that's not a ticket to the chopping block I don't know what is.

[zambixi]

She also throws a punch at you if you bring her to Adamant. If that's not a ticket to the chopping block I don't know what is.

 

Oh man if we're talking about things that should get people in the Inquisition fired we're gonna need another thread. Most of the Inner Circle does something that would warrant being fired (or never getting hired in the first place). You'd have like...Josephine as the lone adviser among the rubble of betrayal and incompetence.