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[Addai]

I think the fact Sera is the only companion with an "leave" option is kind of telling. The devs must have figured it out that she would annoy a lot of people.

I've seen several devs say that they prefer it if people react to a character even if it's negative, versus being apathetic towards them which means the character didn't connect at all. And with Sera the writer said they knew some would click with her and others not.

The way Inquisition's companion stuff is set up, you don't see content if you aren't friendly with the companion and with some, you never see their full range unless doing the romance. I think both Solas and Blackwall really suffer from that. Blackwall comes off as pretty dickish if you're just neutral with him.

[BoscoBread]

Oh man if we're talking about things that should get people in the Inquisition fired we're gonna need another thread. Most of the Inner Circle does something that would warrant being fired (or never getting hired in the first place). You'd have like...Josephine as the lone adviser among the rubble of betrayal and incompetence.

I recruited everybody I could - "Did you kill somebody? NO BIG...JOIN THE INQUISITION!"  I'm sure once we find out whatever Solas did - aside from whoopsie-daisying the orb to Cory - that everyone else's "life choices" are going to look fantastic in comparison.  So...the more the merrier I say!! 

[zambixi]

I've seen several devs say that they prefer it if people react to a character even if it's negative, versus being apathetic towards them which means the character didn't connect at all. And with Sera the writer said they knew some would click with her and others not.

The way Inquisition's companion stuff is set up, you don't see content if you aren't friendly with the companion and with some, you never see their full range unless doing the romance. I think both Solas and Blackwall really suffer from that. Blackwall comes off as pretty dickish if you're just neutral with him.

 

I miss the rival/friend system. I had to 'work' really hard with Viv to make sure she was my friend this play through because I wanted to see that content, and I ended up just avoiding talking to her so I never got on her bad side. Which seems...counter-intuitive. I shouldn't have to avoid getting to know a character so that I can get to know them better later on. I feel like Solas is one of the few characters (along with Cass) that get content when they dislike you (being able to punch him, the conversation about helping the Dalish, Cass getting drunk).

[Addai]

I recruited everybody I could - "Did you kill somebody? NO BIG...JOIN THE INQUISITION!"  I'm sure once we find out whatever Solas did - aside from whoopsie-daisying the orb to Cory - that everyone else's "life choices" are going to look fantastic in comparison.  So...the more the merrier I say!!

LOL, very true.

I always recruit everyone on the first run. Bought the game, have to see as much of the content as I can. Except for the stuff that's too tedious- which in DAI is a fair bit. 
 

I miss the rival/friend system. I had to 'work' really hard with Viv to make sure she was my friend this play through because I wanted to see that content, and I ended up just avoiding talking to her so I never got on her bad side. Which seems...counter-intuitive. I shouldn't have to avoid getting to know a character so that I can get to know them better later on. I feel like Solas is one of the few characters (along with Cass) that get content when they dislike you (being able to punch him, the conversation about helping the Dalish, Cass getting drunk).

Drunk Cass is almost worth pissing her off. Vivienne's couch re-arrangement doesn't come close. Blackwall's "I'm taking my fake Grey Warden ball and going home" is kind of pathetic. For me I got that right after the scene where he's talking about Adamant, where he sounds kind of chipper, so it was pretty abrupt.

[BoscoBread]

I miss the rival/friend system. I had to 'work' really hard with Viv to make sure she was my friend this play through because I wanted to see that content, and I ended up just avoiding talking to her so I never got on her bad side. Which seems...counter-intuitive. I shouldn't have to avoid getting to know a character so that I can get to know them better later on. I feel like Solas is one of the few characters (along with Cass) that get content when they dislike you (being able to punch him, the conversation about helping the Dalish, Cass getting drunk).

I feel like Solas' rival dialogue is the most interesting. Everyone else throws a bit of a tantrum, but Solas' is really interesting...I wish there was a rival-mance path with him.  I think Viv's is hilarious. She was all 'im re-decorating.' and i was like 'okay. thanks i guess...im never here anyways.  have fun!'

 

Viv I gamed the friendship and it was  worth it to me. She's interesting if you're close with her.  It's too bad that's the only way you get to understand her character.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I think the fact Sera is the only companion with an "leave" option is kind of telling. The devs must have figured it out that she would annoy a lot of people.

 

Not to mention that being bound to Mythal is not possession like it is with demons. It's an bond, while with demons, it's literally an alien presence invading your body. And usually mutating you into a horrible creature. If anything, Sera is the one actually possessed if the theories are true.

 

Sera is just too unresonable. She sees the world with an limited perspective and refuse to accept new ideas. She prefers to think that the temple of Mythal is an place of demon worship because she can't phantom the idea that elven beliefs have an semblance of truth. So, while she is not stupid on the sense that she is unintelligent, she is definitely stupid when it comes to accept new things.

 

Pointing an arrow at your face wasn't exactly prudent, but actually trying to figure out if the Well did something weird to you is. No else even tries see if those whispers are doing something to the Inquisitor mind or had some kind of negative consequence as Solas and Abelas claim. And guess what? It did mess with your mind and enslave you to the will of elven goddess who has possibly dangerous plans for the future. Sera of all people turned to be right that the Inquisitor was compromised, their just not an abomination as she thought.

 

Sort of wish the other companions had taken measures to see if their leader was of the right mind. 

[MoonDrummer]

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Sums up my relation with Vivienne perfectly.   She always gets the last word. 

[zambixi]

Pointing an arrow at your face wasn't exactly prudent, but actually trying to figure out if the Well did something weird to you is. No else even tries see if those whispers are doing something to the Inquisitor mind or had some kind of negative consequence as Solas and Abelas claim. And guess what? It did mess with your mind and enslave you to the will of elven goddess who has possibly dangerous plans for the future. Sera of all people turned to be right that the Inquisitor was compromised, their just not an abomination as she thought.

 

Sort of wish the other companions had taken measures to see if their leader was of the right mind. 

 

If you lose to the envy demon in the templar quest the game seems to imply that the Inquisition just lets you run Thedas into the ground. Like...really..? None of your companions notice you're possessed? Not Fade-Walker-Spirit-Friend Solas, or actual-Spirit-cinnamon-roll Cole? Everyone's just standing around "oh man Quiz is acting a bit strange lately but I'm sure they know what they're doing because uhm...glowing hand!"

[BoscoBread]

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Sums up my relation with Vivienne perfectly.   She always gets the last word. 

I love Viv. Her sass-fights with Solas are some of the best in the game.  If they don't pick that back up when everyone is reunited, I will be very diasppointed. Also she's indestructible.  The Iron Lady, indeed.

[Addai]

Pointing an arrow at your face wasn't exactly prudent, but actually trying to figure out if the Well did something weird to you is. No else even tries see if those whispers are doing something to the Inquisitor mind or had some kind of negative consequence as Solas and Abelas claim. And guess what? It did mess with your mind and enslave you to the will of elven goddess who has possibly dangerous plans for the future. Sera of all people turned to be right that the Inquisitor was compromised, their just not an abomination as she thought.

 

Sort of wish the other companions had taken measures to see if their leader was of the right mind. 

Nobody understands what happened except Solas, and the compromise (whether made by Inquisitor or Morrigan) is what gains you the power and knowledge to defeat Corypheus. So anyone who has anything to say about that can file it in the Complaint Department which closely resembles Skyhold's trash pile.

 

But no one figuring Envy out, yeah that's kind of dumb. There are many things I don't like about that quest line. The timed portions during the fight, for one. Bah.

[Heidirs]

If you lose to the envy demon in the templar quest the game seems to imply that the Inquisition just lets you run Thedas into the ground. Like...really..? None of your companions notice you're possessed? Not Fade-Walker-Spirit-Friend Solas, or actual-Spirit-cinnamon-roll Cole? Everyone's just standing around "oh man Quiz is acting a bit strange lately but I'm sure they know what they're doing because uhm...glowing hand!"

 

I always thought was that weird. You'd think at the very least, Cassandra would take you out. But nope, they just let the Inquisitor run the world into the ground...

 

 

Nobody understands what happened except Solas, and the compromise (whether made by Inquisitor or Morrigan) is what gains you the power and knowledge to defeat Corypheus. So anyone who has anything to say about that can file it in the Complaint Department which closely resembles Skyhold's trash pile.

 

Everyone's standing there when you and Morrigan are discussing the "compulsion." Though Solas might be the only one who fully understands the consequences, I would still think that might set off some alarm bells with other people.

[Cee]

I've seen several devs say that they prefer it if people react to a character even if it's negative, versus being apathetic towards them which means the character didn't connect at all. And with Sera the writer said they knew some would click with her and others not.

The way Inquisition's companion stuff is set up, you don't see content if you aren't friendly with the companion and with some, you never see their full range unless doing the romance. I think both Solas and Blackwall really suffer from that. Blackwall comes off as pretty dickish if you're just neutral with him.

 

This is true. People don't always understand just why I love Solas as much as I do. Mission accompliahed with the romance giving us more to his character. While his is the most story relevant, even if you wind up friends with someone, you might not get all of their scenes. I managed to somehow get to friendship level with Sera, even sticking to my elfy-ness and while we were rather friendly after pranks, I lost a bunch of approval from her and never got her cookies scene. She and I ran hot and cold the entire game.

 

Vivienne is another one, since I actively dislike her, even though she's more complex than many might give her credit for. I just can't stand her personality. She was the only one I didn't get to friendship level with and I didn't get the redecorating scene people mentioned.

 

 

Of course, this encourages replaying the game, which I'm doing on a very casual mage run. I screwed up my original concept since I made a Dalish mage instead of a human one who was going to be about order and befriend Vivienne and make different decisions (templars, etc). But I realized I'd be talking to Solas and couldn't do a damn thing about what I knew would happen so trying to racelock myself out of that romance didn't work.

 

Oh, Solas. So...Dalish mage and probably some of the same decisions coming up.

[NightSymphony]

Not much art this morning

 

WIP

http://day-devil.dev...s-WIP-525987653

 

*dreamy sigh*

http://zhanna0717.de...Solas-525942771

 

Dunno why this is in the Solas section, but it made me giggle

http://whatitmeansto...AYHEM-525958011

[nikki-tikki]

So....random question....does anyone else think that the nightmare may have had other motives for helping Corypheus...I need to know....for research..

[zambixi]

So....random question....does anyone else think that the nightmare may have had other motives for helping Corypheus...I need to know....for research..

 

Motives other than creating more fear so that it had more to feed off of and thus gain more power? Not really. The Grey Wardens were going to bind it to one of the mages too so maybe it had the typical "demon wants to get into real world" goals too.

[BoscoBread]

So....random question....does anyone else think that the nightmare may have had other motives for helping Corypheus...I need to know....for research..

Unlikely.  It feeds off of fears, that's how it grows stronger.  Corypheus was handing it a feast by saying 'lead my demon army.'  If he did have other motives, it's not implied in game and would be totally up to your imagination.  What we know for sure, is that it may have been a good spirit at one point that fed off of little fears so people weren't so afraid. It was an act borne of compassion.  It ended up warping that, because that helped noone since confronting your fears are supposed to help you grow,  and then it just started creating fears so it could feed more. 

[Illyria]

So....random question....does anyone else think that the nightmare may have had other motives for helping Corypheus...I need to know....for research..

 

I think the motive was 'lots of terror to feed off'.  We know it was feeding off the Wardens and Inky and there's a strong argument it went after Fiona too.

[Elira]

I like Sera. Does she rub me the wrong way on occasion? Yes. Do I sometimes feel as if I'm mothering a child in a woman's body? Yes. Does she make me want to rip my hair out by the roots with some of her actions and antics? Oh yes. But those aspects of her personality are actually what help reinforce my liking her. I'm a glass half full kind of girl, so I tend to hone in on a characteristic I'm drawn to in a character, embrace that, and gradually work through coming to terms with what I don't like. I don't become attached to characters who shower me in adoration solely. Conflict is necessary to make me care, as odd as that may sound. With Vivienne, it's are hot and cold beliefs on mages and templars. She's on one end the spectrum, I'm on the other. But I like her, too, because of that. I'm able to find a middle ground with her, and that's enough of a foundation to help us be on friendly terms. I can't claim to wholly trust her, but I feel like that's a given with Vivienne. You can like her well enough, be on warm and friendly terms, but she still plays her cards close to her chest. I like that. It's a fascinating experience, liking someone but being unable to trust them. 

 

Sera reminds me of one of my younger sisters, so that plays into it. I don't mind mothering people. As a matter of fact, I love it. Mothering is a personality trait of mine; an instinct. Sera is like an obnoxious little sister who I snap it regularly, clash with, but ultimately love.  

 

The same can also be said for Solas. I can't play a complete kiss-ass playthrough with him. It's unrealistic, and frankly, it burrows under my skin to the point that I, forget hair, want to rip my skin off. That's why we clash a bit at the start. I may not agree in an entirety with the Dalish; my girl has her problems with them, and will admit to their shortcomings, but they're her people. They're her family, her friends, and her loved ones. She's not going to allow attraction to make her submissive; she's not going to allow Solas to remain on his high horse and ridicule them freely, no matter how much he may have a right to it. This, I think, makes their relationship more realistic and believable. Now matter how much you agree with someone, see eye-to-eye, and understand, you're going to disagree on something. You're going to clash at some point, but I think that holds the potential to bring you closer. Goody-goody submissiveness doesn't. For me, at least.

 

That's my perspective, though, and in no way the right one for everyone. Everyone feels differently, owns contrasting opinions and perspectives. and that's awesome. Something else is right for them, while this is right for me.

 

Late to the party, I know. Sorry about that.

[Maria13]

 

The same can also be said for Solas. I can't play a complete kiss-ass playthrough with him. It's unrealistic, and frankly, it burrows under my skin to the point that I, forget hair, want to rip my skin off. That's why we clash a bit at the start. I may not agree in an entirety with the Dalish; my girl has her problems with them, and will admit to their shortcomings, but they're her people. They're her family, her friends, and her loved ones. She's not going to allow attraction to make her submissive; she's not going to allow Solas to remain on his high horse and ridicule them freely, no matter how much he may have a right to it. This, I think, makes their relationship more realistic and believable. Now matter how much you agree with someone, see eye-to-eye, and understand, you're going to disagree on something. You're going to clash at some point, but I think that holds the potential to bring you closer. Goody-goody submissiveness doesn't. For me, at least.

 

That's my perspective, though, and in no way the right one for everyone. Everyone feels differently, owns contrasting opinions and perspectives. and that's awesome. Something else is right for them, while this is right for me.

 

Late to the party, I know. Sorry about that.

 

 

I think if you're playing a Lav you owe it to yourself from the start to have a bit of an argy bargy with him...

 

After all you must have some sort of faith in your cultural background since you agreed to act as a spy for you clan at the conclave... I would head canon that Solas would have a little less respect for someone who immediately acquiesces to him slagging off their people anyway...

[Colonelkillabee]

*Looks at Sera thread* *Laughs*

 

I swear, every time someone dislikes a female character, it's not long before someone starts yapping about sexism. As if it's just dudes disliking characters like her and Bianca.

[Elira]

I think if you're playing a Lav you owe it to yourself from the start to have a bit of an argy bargy with him...

 

After all you must have some sort of faith in your cultural background since you agreed to act as a spy for you clan at the conclave... I would head canon that Solas would have a little less respect for someone who immediately acquiesces to him slagging off their people anyway...

 

Precisely. I don't care how passive I am. When someone insults something important to me to my face, chances are I'm not going to respond warmly. He asked for that.

 

He may not necessarily approve of your disagreeing with him, but I don't think he disapproves, either. Take the balcony scene. Answering "Yes" to his querying you if he misjudged the Dalish, and you don't net disapproval. He doesn't approve, but looking from his perspective, he did just see one of his stubbornly held beliefs shot down. Honestly, I wouldn't be keen on approving of that, either, even if I did accept it. Which, I don't see him as accepting it exactly, so much as seeing it from your point of view. I think he still holds plenty of grievances concerning the Dalish, but I think that scene shows him softening toward them. That's just my take on it, anyway.

[zambixi]

So....random question....does anyone else think that the nightmare may have had other motives for helping Corypheus...I need to know....for research..

 

Out of curiosity, what other motives do you think the Nightmare had?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Nobody understands what happened except Solas, and the compromise (whether made by Inquisitor or Morrigan) is what gains you the power and knowledge to defeat Corypheus. So anyone who has anything to say about that can file it in the Complaint Department which closely resembles Skyhold's trash pile.

 

But no one figuring Envy out, yeah that's kind of dumb. There are many things I don't like about that quest line. The timed portions during the fight, for one. Bah.

 

The Inquisition really should have a magical detox room for whenever the Inquisitor and company go any of their strange, magical adventures to the middle of nowhere.

 

Also, did any of the companions or advisers learn about the Flemythal encounter? No one even talks about it I think. Envy and the Well are one thing, but no caring about the Inquisitor meeting a goddess is really annoying. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

*Looks at Sera thread* *Laughs*

 

I swear, every time someone dislikes a female character, it's not long before someone starts yapping about sexism. As if it's just dudes disliking characters like her and Bianca.

 

Wait, what? Whose using the sexism defense for Sera? 

[zambixi]

The Inquisition really should have a magical detox room for whenever the Inquisitor and company go any of their strange, magical adventures to the middle of nowhere.

 

Also, did any of the companions or advisers learn about the Flemythal encounter? No one even talks about it I think. Envy and the Well are one thing, but no caring about the Inquisitor meeting a goddess is really annoying. 

 

Especially since Solas can actually be there when you meet her in some cases. Like...hey, here's your "oldest friend" and you're not even a little shocked that she's a shem now and also not gonna mention anything to your Dalish girlfriend who's confused as all get out right now? Oh, alright sure, tell me more about how I should harden my heart thanks.

 

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