10/10 would hit that elven glory again XD
Don't just think about the amazing elf sex. Remember the pure satisfaction of hearing Cammen's heart break into tiny pieces and the sweet exhilaration of drinking his pathetic tears as well. Those are divine gifts from the Creators themselves after all. Enjoy them all.
Don't just think about the amazing elf sex. Remember the pure satisfaction of hearing Cammen's heart break into tiny pieces and the sweet exhilaration of drinking his pathetic tears as well. Those are divine gifts from the Creators themselves after all. Enjoy them all.
You I like XD
And she was a redheaded elf too. Redhead plus elf. Can't not test the goods tbh.
Getting serious for a short second, I'm honestly surprised he's actually disliked by people. He's a dweeb. I always felt sorry for people like that, but it would be pretty hard for me to "dislike" someone so... lame.
You I like XD
And she was a redheaded elf too. Redhead plus elf. Can't not test the goods tbh.
Getting serious for a short second, I'm honestly surprised he's actually disliked by people. He's a dweeb. I always felt sorry for people like that, but it would be pretty hard for me to "dislike" someone so... lame.
My thoughts exactly. I mean, Anders "the Terrorist" and Loghain "No Gain," deserve way more of my hate then some kid who can't get a date.
Jeez, Cole has a better shot at getting laid then that guy. Damn.
I just ate lunch and then this.Don't just think about the amazing elf sex. Remember the pure satisfaction of hearing Cammen's heart break into tiny pieces and the sweet exhilaration of drinking his pathetic tears as well. Those are divine gifts from the Creators themselves after all. Enjoy them all.
That's more likely to be true. Also writers struggle with female characters sometimes, trying to overcompensate for stereotypes with Action Girl trope and so on. I think that's half of Bianca's problem with the fanbase.Spoiler
That's interesting. I think she has a shot to be the bridge character to the next game, too. Or Dorian. I hope it's Dorian.Sera was valued for being a likely ally in dismantling the Inquisition when it becomes necessary.
I just ate lunch and then this.
Oh come on you hate him too. 
That's interesting. I think she has a shot to be the bridge character to the next game, too. Or Dorian. I hope it's Dorian.
She's also a romance option and past DA games have shown they don't get to be companions in the next game. Dorian would make sense, but he has that exact same issue as well. I'm betting on Cole or Solas. Calpurnia might have a shot as well.
That's more likely to be true. Also writers struggle with female characters sometimes, trying to overcompensate for stereotypes with Action Girl trope and so on. I think that's half of Bianca's problem with the fanbase.
I was reading through some of the hate thread for Bianca and some people seem to think she's leading Varric on in the relationship, that she doesn't realize he still has feelings for her, and how harmful it is to continue to communication with him.
Personally, I felt like this was a two-sided thing that both of them were engaging in, but other people seem to read it as something else..
Oh come on you hate him too.
Why would people hate such a minor character.... I can't even fathom.
Oh come on you hate him too.
She's also a romance option and past DA games have shown they don't get to be companions in the next game. Dorian would make sense, but he has that exact same issue as well. I'm betting on Cole or Solas. Calpurnia might have a shot as well.
Probably Cole. I think Solas may pop up if the devs have plans for him after the game, but I hesitate to think he'll be a full blown companion. Mostly because the romance option. LIke what did he do...leave lavellan at home with the kids??? **** THAT. If we get back together and the he trundles off on Indiana Jones adventures without ME. Holy ****, he better not come home.
I hope it's Dorian. I hope it's the Tevinter Imperium and Dorian, but yeah then the romance option. So maybe Calpernia?
I was reading through some of the hate thread for Bianca and some people seem to think she's leading Varric on in the relationship, that she doesn't realize he still has feelings for her, and how harmful it is to continue to communication with him.
Personally, I felt like this was a two-sided thing that both of them were engaging in, but other people seem to read it as something else..
I thought it was pretty clear that they were both willingly (and currently) engaging in their… thing. How is that even subject to debate?
Probably Cole. I think Solas may pop up if the devs have plans for him after the game, but I hesitate to think he'll be a full blown companion. Mostly because the romance option. LIke what did he do...leave lavellan at home with the kids??? **** THAT. If we get back together and the he trundles off on Indiana Jones adventures without ME. Holy ****, he better not come home.
I hope it's Dorian. I hope it's the Tevinter Imperium and Dorian, but yeah then the romance option. So maybe Calpernia?
Honestly, I just want Mae to show up. Really want to see if Bioware has the guts to have her in the game after that backlash about Krem.
I was reading through some of the hate thread for Bianca and some people seem to think she's leading Varric on in the relationship, that she doesn't realize he still has feelings for her, and how harmful it is to continue to communication with him.
Personally, I felt like this was a two-sided thing that both of them were engaging in, but other people seem to read it as something else..
Probably because we care about Varric more, and we see it only from his side. Dude's obsessed with this chick and can't let her go. It's as much his fault that she strings him along as it is hers, but it's hard to be mad at someone like Varric.
But rather easy to be angry at someone like Bianca that's so impossibly arrogant. And even if she weren't, I couldn't muster any anger for someone that lets themselves be pulled along. Just pity.
That's why a lot of these female characters get anger while male ones don't. A lot of the females in this game are strong and well written, and I applaud Bioware for it, but often times they miss the mark, like with Bianca. Meanwhile most of the boys get written as soft hitting beta males too pathetic to hate.
You take the good with the bad.
I thought it was pretty clear that they were both willingly (and currently) engaging in their… thing. How is that even subject to debate?
apparently it is. varric admits that they aren't really together together. he just loves her and wants noone else. what they have is enough for him...even if it kinda of sucks. he's an adult. she's an adult. "shrug". i think people are just being angry that varric is non-romanceable and the reality sucks. i wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him now. he clearly loves someone else. pass.
@everyone - I don't think anyone HATES minor characters. There is nothing to hate. But to be amused and a bit annoyed at the quests they present...that's totally valid. Cammen is just the silliest. Most of the minor quests in DA:O were people dealing with the situation...even petty squabbles it was usually somehow tied back to whatever garbo was going down. Then you have Cammen. Like...why? Also the voice acting didn't help.
I didn't think about the romance thing, but I feel like Cole has had a complete character arc already, with Asunder. Much as I'd love to see him again. That's what made me think it could be Sera. She might actually grow if given another game to do it in. Calpernia would also be cool, and PW said the writers loved her, so that's a good bet.Probably Cole. I think Solas may pop up if the devs have plans for him after the game, but I hesitate to think he'll be a full blown companion. Mostly because the romance option. LIke what did he do...leave lavellan at home with the kids??? **** THAT. If we get back together and the he trundles off on Indiana Jones adventures without ME. Holy ****, he better not come home.
I hope it's Dorian. I hope it's the Tevinter Imperium and Dorian, but yeah then the romance option. So maybe Calpernia?
She was just a dud, to me. Definitely outclassed by the crossbow.Probably because we care about Varric more, and we see it only from his side. Dude's obsessed with this chick and can't let her go. It's as much his fault that she strings him along as it is hers, but it's hard to be mad at someone like Varric.
But rather easy to be angry at someone like Bianca that's so impossibly arrogant. And even if she weren't, I couldn't muster any anger for someone that lets themselves be pulled along. Just pity.
She was just a dud, to me. Definitely outclassed by the crossbow.
Right, that too. There's a lot of reasons I dislike her really. Disappointment in Bianca the crossbow's namesake being the first one.
My thoughts exactly. I mean, Anders "the Terrorist" and Loghain "No Gain," deserve way more of my hate then some kid who can't get a date.
Jeez, Cole has a better shot at getting laid then that guy. Damn.
HA, HA HA. HAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I laughed out loud to that one....
HA, HA HA. HAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
I laughed out loud to that one....
Won't lie, I'm pretty sure I stole that from some other thread from a while back. Not quite sure.
At least I made you laugh though.
I thought it was pretty clear that they were both willingly (and currently) engaging in their… thing. How is that even subject to debate?
People said she was "nonchalant" about the whole thing throughout the dialogue. Then cited her line about inviting him over and how her parents wont kill him and Varric saying "They always send assassins." They seem to feel that's an indication that Bianca really has no clue as to what is going on.
Probably because we care about Varric more, and we see it only from his side.
That's what I think is. We don't talk to Bianca or get her side of things, and we all know and love Varric, so Bianca hate it is.
@everyone - I don't think anyone HATES minor characters. There is nothing to hate. But to be amused and a bit annoyed at the quests they present...that's totally valid. Cammen is just the silliest. Most of the minor quests in DA:O were people dealing with the situation...even petty squabbles it was usually somehow tied back to whatever garbo was going down. Then you have Cammen. Like...why? Also the voice acting didn't help.
I always considered Cammen's quest to just be an example of Dalish traditions and how they are different. As the Warden, you can choose to leave the Dalish to their ways, interject your own, or completely mess them up. It's not a quest related to the storyline, but does relate to the world and the people in it and how your character relates. For that, I find it valuable.
Probably because we care about Varric more, and we see it only from his side. Dude's obsessed with this chick and can't let her go. It's as much his fault that she strings him along as it is hers, but it's hard to be mad at someone like Varric.
But rather easy to be angry at someone like Bianca that's so impossibly arrogant. And even if she weren't, I couldn't muster any anger for someone that lets themselves be pulled along. Just pity.
That's why a lot of these female characters get anger while male ones don't. A lot of the females in this game are strong and well written, and I applaud Bioware for it, but often times they miss the mark, like with Bianca. Meanwhile most of the boys get written as soft hitting beta males too pathetic to hate.
You take the good with the bad.
Totally. Some people mistake rude female characters as respectable strong woman. And that gets on my nerves. I harbor a great deal of resentment towards Isabela because of all the crap she does in the game and the comics. Only reason I didn't tossed her to the Arishok was because killing Castilion was more important for me (not to mention you can get a ****load of money during Isabela quest in act 3). Meanwhile, I literally saw people out there who excused her, because she was an dark skinned woman. Aparently gender or skin color is enough to give someone a free pass to comit atrocities or being a jerk.
Totally. Some people mistake rude female characters as respectable strong woman. And that gets on my nerves. I harbor a great deal of resentment towards Isabela because of all the crap she does in the game and the comics. Only reason I didn't tossed her to the Arishok was because killing Castilion was more important for me (not to mention you can get a ****load of money during Isabela quest in act 3). Meanwhile, I literally saw people out there who excused her, because she was an dark skinned woman. Aparently gender or skin color is enough to give someone a free pass to comit atrocities or being a jerk.
Same thing goes for disliking her as a romance. "Hurr Durr they make her dark and suddenly everyone hates her!"
No, I dislike her and don't bang her because she's gross and I don't want my Underking looking like rocky road.
@everyone - I don't think anyone HATES minor characters. There is nothing to hate. But to be amused and a bit annoyed at the quests they present...that's totally valid. Cammen is just the silliest. Most of the minor quests in DA:O were people dealing with the situation...even petty squabbles it was usually somehow tied back to whatever garbo was going down. Then you have Cammen. Like...why? Also the voice acting didn't help.
I realize this was directed more broadly, but I still think my previous comment was poorly phrased. Minor characters are usually the ones adding all the color, so I didn't intend to come off as, "I don't know why anyone has positive or negative feelings about them at all." And since they are just snapshots, they have to do more in a smaller amount of space. I admit though that I was thinking of some past discussions and a wider spectrum of characters when I spoke, not strictly the comments that were being made right now. Hate and adoration in spades...!
Totally. Some people mistake rude female characters as respectable strong woman. And that gets on my nerves. I harbor a great deal of resentment towards Isabela because of all the crap she does in the game and the comics. Only reason I didn't tossed her to the Arishok was because killing Castilion was more important for me (not to mention you can get a ****load of money during Isabela quest in act 3). Meanwhile, I literally saw people out there who excused her, because she was an dark skinned woman. Aparently gender or skin color is enough to give someone a free pass to comit atrocities or being a jerk.
I liked Isabela. As crude as she can be, she does have some moral code - refusing to sell people into slavery, for example. And in my playthrough of DA2, I told her I didn't care if Castilion was after her, the relic was going back to the Arishok. Of course she ran off, but she also came back, and that scored big points for me. Also admitting I was right to kill Castilion after the fact... She can be much more reasonable if you don't put up with her when she's being selfish.
But I haven't read the comics, so I don't know what she does there.
Same thing goes for disliking her as a romance. "Hurr Durr they make her dark and suddenly everyone hates her!"
No, I dislike her and don't bang her because she's gross and I don't want my Underking looking like rocky road.
She does have to regularly go to Anders to heal her of the sexually transmitted diseases she gets constantly. That is kinda of gross. Plus there's the whole Qunari nothing. She's still cool and all in my book, but yeah...
She does look really gross whose you find that out about her.
Until the Inquisitor starts showing signs of possession, you don't threaten your superior.
As part of the Inquisition, she does what the Inquisitor tells her to do or else you'd better put her in charge instead because you shouldn't be running a large military and political organization.
If you ask me that's only a stone's throw away from dictatorship and a Forth Reich. Too many bad things in the world only happened because people did not dare question* their superiors until it was too late. Because as it is, waiting until the atrocities actually happen tends to be a bad idea.
(* Sera did not threaten, btw, she tested. When not seeing an initial defensive mechanism she takes down the bow.)
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I like Sera. I realize she can rub people the wrong way. Her character certainly isn't going to appeal to everyone. But I feel the "Sera is a whiny child" viewpoint of her character is unfair. There's reason and logic to what she does. It's just not everyone agrees with it. And that's fine. I can get behind that. But I don't agree she's "immature" in her actions. In fact, I find there's a lot of sense in what other people might consider to be her more nonsensical moments.
This was a great post. A like is not enough to express how impressed I am.
And this last bit I second. I see why many people dislike her, because it takes a certain kind of open-mindedness to understand her. Those who are not willing to engage in it don't have to, that's okay. Those who do will see noble and deliberate motivations in her.
I feel like Solas' rival dialogue is the most interesting. Everyone else throws a bit of a tantrum, but Solas' is really interesting...I wish there was a rival-mance path with him.
Somebody (veeia) recently suggested to "simulate" a rivalmance. First gain disapproval until the slapping, then do all the quests, judgements etc. that gain approval with him and build up a romance. She said it adds some compelling dynamics and I guess I will try this in my next playthrough. I did this with Cass once and it was really interesting to see the development (and getting more content).
She does have to regularly go to Anders to heal her of the sexually transmitted diseases she gets constantly. That is kinda of gross. Plus there's the whole Qunari nothing. She's still cool and all in my book, but yeah...
She does look really gross whose you find that out about her.
Yep. She's great as a drinking buddy, like Oghren basically. Love her in that light and would even say she's my Hawke's bestie next to Varric. Beyond that though, na. That's basically Kirkwall's "No man's land".
"You break my heart, I bust your ball..."
Lavellan; BECUZ YA BROKE MA HEART VHENAN
inner: and honestly.. I do not give f***
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