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If you ask me that's only a stone's throw away from dictatorship and a Forth Reich. Too many bad things in the world only happened because people did not dare question* their superiors until it was too late. Because as it is, waiting until the atrocities actually happen tends to be a bad idea.
 
(* Sera did not threaten, btw, she tested. When not seeing an initial defensive mechanism she takes down the bow.)
 

 

That's incredibly exaggerated. This is just basic military protocol. People aren't going to be getting liquidated because Sera doesn't jump the gun and lets her commander handle a situation he or she came on foot to handle personally.


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 Somebody (veeia) recently suggested to "simulate" a rivalmance. First gain disapproval until the slapping, then do all the quests, judgements etc. that gain approval with him and build up a romance. She said it adds some compelling dynamics and I guess I will try this in my next playthrough. I did this with Cass once and it was really interesting to see the development (and getting more content).

 

I did a softer version of this (other rival arguments, but no slap). I liked it for my story, but I also wanted to keep it mainly hung up on words/attitudes and not as much actions or ability to be thoughtful, until later. It felt more like they grew closer because of the things revealed in arguments and out-in-the-field actions, ie overcoming prejudices.



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Somebody (veeia) recently suggested to "simulate" a rivalmance. First gain disapproval until the slapping, then do all the quests, judgements etc. that gain approval with him and build up a romance. She said it adds some compelling dynamics and I guess I will try this in my next playthrough. I did this with Cass once and it was really interesting to see the development (and getting more content).

Woo! Thanks for the tip. I may try that because I love some of the dialogue I've seen in the rival videos.  I also wish that came included with angry-sex but... a girl can't have it all.


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Somebody (veeia) recently suggested to "simulate" a rivalmance. First gain disapproval until the slapping, then do all the quests, judgements etc. that gain approval with him and build up a romance. She said it adds some compelling dynamics and I guess I will try this in my next playthrough. I did this with Cass once and it was really interesting to see the development (and getting more content).

 

Oh, the next time I get my hands on Inquisition I will definitely try this, thank you for sharing and to veeia as well.



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If you ask me that's only a stone's throw away from dictatorship and a Forth Reich. Too many bad things in the world only happened because people did not dare question* their superiors until it was too late. Because as it is, waiting until the atrocities actually happen tends to be a bad idea.

 

Seriously. I just of think of poor Ser Barris who's told "do not question" when his Superiors knock out that Chantry sister, and we all know what happens to him if the Inquisition doesn't side with the Templars and rescue him.

 

Sera had the balls to point an arrow at my face because she cared enough that I might be a danger, and I applaud her for that. 


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If you ask me that's only a stone's throw away from dictatorship and a Forth Reich. Too many bad things in the world only happened because people did not dare question* their superiors until it was too late. Because as it is, waiting until the atrocities actually happen tends to be a bad idea.
 
(* Sera did not threaten, btw, she tested. When not seeing an initial defensive mechanism she takes down the bow.)

Someone pointing a drawn bow at you is a threat. If you were in a military or police situation, try pointing a gun at your supervisor and see how that works out for you. No funny moustache required.
 

Seriously. I just of think of poor Ser Barris who's told "do not question" when his Superiors knock out that Chantry sister, and we all know what happens to him if the Inquisition doesn't side with the Templars and rescue him.
 
Sera had the balls to point an arrow at my face because she cared enough that I might be a danger, and I applaud her for that.

And if she had actually loosed her arrow, the Breach would never have been closed. Good plan.
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I hope it's Dorian. I hope it's the Tevinter Imperium and Dorian, but yeah then the romance option. So maybe Calpernia?

 

Basically I wanna run around northern Thedas being awesome and fabulous with Dorian, Calpernia, and Maevaris.  I don't think that's too much to ask  :lol:


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Seriously. I just of think of poor Ser Barris who's told "do not question" when his Superiors knock out that Chantry sister, and we all know what happens to him if the Inquisition doesn't side with the Templars and rescue him.

 

Sera had the balls to point an arrow at my face because she cared enough that I might be a danger, and I applaud her for that. 

I think there's a mix there.  If you were showing some kinds of weirdness or were punching old ladies then by all means, draw a bow. But for her to straight up pull a weapon on me while I was unarmed and walking to her room like I normally would then...dam girl. Relax.  There's a middle-ground there.  I wouldn't applaud her for not using it.  I like Sera. Her friendship is very sweet but she has to learn to not swing to such extremes.


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I think there's a mix there.  If you were showing some kinds of weirdness or were punching old ladies then by all means, draw a bow. But for her to straight up pull a weapon on me while I was unarmed and walking to her room like I normally would then...dam girl. Relax.  There's a middle-ground there.  I wouldn't applaud her for not using it.  I like Sera. Her friendship is very sweet but she has to learn to not swing to such extremes.

 

She thought you might be possessed. I don't see how her pointing an arrow at you is unacceptable. 



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And if she had actually loosed her arrow, the Breach would never have been closed. Good plan.

 

She thought there was threat, responded, assessed the situation, and put her bow down. It's a non issue, imo. I don't think she would have fired her bow without reason to (i.e. you were possessed), in which case she would have been right to do so.


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She thought you might be possessed. I don't see how her pointing an arrow at you is unacceptable. 

 

She acts before she thinks. If she ever gets around to the thinking part.


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She thought you might be possessed. I don't see how her pointing an arrow at you is unacceptable.

It goes without saying that Sera should bring any concerns she has to the advisors. That would be the sensible thing to do and no good leader would have a problem with that. If they did, they'd have ego issues.

Sera's acting out of extreme fear and prejudice. As Colonel and I said, it shows she's unstable and not fit for responsibility. I'm not sure why we're talking about this again.
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The Inquisition's military decorum or realism is a joke. Yes, lets have our only resource into closing the Breach wander around Southern Thedas with only three other people as their retinue. Yes, lets ignore, and not take any precautions, that our fearless leader just jumped into a pool of magic water that apparently comes with a horrible prize. Yes, lets give this nobody upstart with a magic hand, absolute decision making people even though there those who have far more experience and merit. 

 

Hehe. The Inquisition is funny like that. 


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She acts before she thinks. If she ever gets around to the thinking part.

 

She listens to what Abelas is saying and understands enough to know the well is dangerous.

You drink from the well, and she thinks you might be a danger enough to require taking out.

She doesn't fire the bow right away and takes the time to asses you to make sure you're not being controlled.

 

I'd say there's a lot of thinking going on there.


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So about that Fen'Harel guy...he seems pretty shady to me...


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I liked Isabela. As crude as she can be, she does have some moral code - refusing to sell people into slavery, for example. And in my playthrough of DA2, I told her I didn't care if Castilion was after her, the relic was going back to the Arishok. Of course she ran off, but she also came back, and that scored big points for me. Also admitting I was right to kill Castilion after the fact... She can be much more reasonable if you don't put up with her when she's being selfish. 

 

I can't say I actually liked Isabella. But then I played the rivalry and that was good. So while I was not fond of her personality, she was the only one whose friendship actually felt worth something on the rivalry path. She would acknowledge that you opposed her because you cared. When she approached me in the end to thank me, that was unexpected and really great. My feelings toward her improved just by seeing this. I bet if I had played her rivalry sooner I would think better of her overall.

 

That's incredibly exaggerated. This is just basic military protocol. People aren't going to be getting liquidated because Sera doesn't jump the gun and lets her commander handle a situation he or she came on foot to handle personally.

 

We do not know; that's the problem about everything. Do you really think people always expected all the atrocities committed in somebody's name? In life dubious things can turn out good or bad, you don't really know. But better you question once too often than once too less. If the Inquisitor had been possessed? Sera would have found out and, "Phew, that was close, good she dared do that." And if the Inquisitor was not possessed? In that case, no harm done. I prefer people to think for themselves instead of blindly following orders. To me that's bravery, even if others think subordination was better. It's just an individual, different point of view.

 

If you were in a military or police situation

 

Have you been in the military/police?


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The Inquisition's military decorum or realism is a joke. Yes, lets have our only resource into closing the Breach wander around Southern Thedas with only three other people as their retinue. Yes, lets ignore, and not take any precautions, that our fearless leader just jumped into a pool of magic water that apparently comes with a horrible prize. Yes, lets give this nobody upstart with a magic hand, absolute decision making people even though there those who have far more experience and merit. 
 
Hehe. The Inquisition is funny like that.

Lol, well you have to try to roleplay it a little despite the video gameyness.
 

She listens to what Abelas is saying and understands enough to know the well is dangerous.

Well that's your first assumption there. Sera's a benchwarmer for me so she didn't know anything about broody demon elves.

Have you been in the military/police?

No. Now you're going to tell me that you were and pointed a gun at your supervisor? lol
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So about that Fen'Harel guy...he seems pretty shady to me...

 

I was literally about to make this post. Bless you.

 

On topic, I never noticed how hilariously ominous the music in the post credits scene is. It sounds like the surprise villain reveal in a superhero film.

 

But then, I guess that's… kinda what it is?


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It goes without saying that Sera should bring any concerns she has to the advisors. That would be the sensible thing to do and no good leader would have a problem with that. If they did, they'd have ego issues.

Sera's acting out of extreme fear and prejudice. As Colonel and I said, it shows she's unstable and not fit for responsibility. I'm not sure why we're talking about this again.

 

Again, this is going along the lines of following the proper chain of command while we let the person who we think might be possessed or under some form of mind control run amok. As Mythal's puppet, you could be a real danger to the Inquisition and the people around you, and Sera takes action before you can do any real harm. From the way I see it, she's acting out of concern that you may in fact be a danger. If it was extreme fear or prejudice, I have to wonder if she'd actually lower the bow or back down. But one sentence from the Inquisitor is enough for her to drop the issue. If she really was out of control, I doubt it would be that easy.

 

And we're still talking about it because it keeps getting brought up.


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So about that Fen'Harel guy...he seems pretty shady to me...


But that jawline full of secrets....


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If she were really assessing you, she'd do so without letting the possessed individual know she's wary of them. The bow thing was obviously purely reactionary.

 

 

 

So about that Fen'Harel guy...he seems pretty shady to me...

 

And if the fade boy isn't freaking out, Sera shouldn't be.


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But that jawline full of secrets....

 

Is that why it's so big?

 

 

JK.

 

 

His jawline is beautiful.


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Well that's your first assumption there. Sera's a benchwarmer for me so she didn't know anything about broody demon elves.

 

Every conversation you have with your companions after a main story quest, they talk about it as though they were there - regardless of whether you took them along or not.Didn't take Iron Bull into the Fade? You still get his scene where he's freaked out by the demons and says he killed the Fear demon. Didn't take Sera to the Well? She still talks about the temple and what Abelas said. There's several other examples, but those are the two that come to mind. So, I'm assuming the game actually means for all you people to be involved in the main story quests even though you can only take three in your party.


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We do not know; that's the problem about everything. Do you really think people always expected all the atrocities committed in somebody's name? In life dubious things can turn out good or bad, you don't really know. But better you question once too often than once too less. If the Inquisitor had been possessed? Sera would have found out and, "Phew, that was close, good she dared do that." And if the Inquisitor was not possessed? In that case, no harm done. I prefer people to think for themselves instead of blindly following orders. To me that's bravery, even if others think subordination was better. It's just an individual, different point of view.

Well, she can be an individual by staying in the corner of the inn by herself, I would not tolerate people second guessing me, especially with weapons pointed at me. If my behavior warranted such a reaction, that'd be one thing. What exactly would she have found out by pointing an arrow at me, demons don't go "dang, ya caught me! Boogie boogie boogie!"



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It goes without saying that Sera should bring any concerns she has to the advisors. That would be the sensible thing to do and no good leader would have a problem with that. If they did, they'd have ego issues.

Sera's acting out of extreme fear and prejudice. As Colonel and I said, it shows she's unstable and not fit for responsibility. I'm not sure why we're talking about this again.

 

(Shrugs)

 

The first time we meet Leliana she freaks out and questions you why the Maker didn't save the Divine. Later on she slits a person's throat even though the Inquisitor can tell them not to and won't listen to you unless you've deliberately unharden her throughout the game. She also threatens you if your in a relationship with Josephine. Cullen has his issues with lyrium addiction of course. Worse yet, those two have actual major responsibilities that they can jeopardize with their personal issues. 

 

And Solas takes the cake when it comes to well intentioned acts screwing everyone over. Twice. 

 

I don't know. Companions being weird, stupid or crazy is sort of to be expected, even in a organization like the Inquisition. 


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