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[Cee]

I RPed mine as basically proud Dalish, believer in the gods of her people, then thrust into all these events that, along the way, make her question lots of things, and by the end, after the temple and everything else, conversations with Solas, watching the human conflicts over religion and such too, she decided to take Solas' offer to remove her vallaslin, thinking about it as a kind of new beginning.

[Giton]

I really, really wish that the vallaslin removal had been an option for male Lavellans. Really, I do. I understand the emotional weight Solas's arc shoulders--I understand. But I feel that Solas's character and Solas's deep friendships get lost under the emphasis everyone gives the romance. Yes, it's unresolved. And, yes, he's a big player. But I would like to see more variety and more consideration for relationships anterior to the romance.

 

I would also caution against privileging the female elf's Dalishness as a deciding factor. I do not mind pairings of Solas with humans, dwarves, qunari, raptors, whatever. These are imaginative possibilities in fanfiction/fanart that allows disclosure of desire and opens up the character for closer examination through an alternative lens. These are valuable viewpoints. I also see too many people in fandom fetishizing the Dalish in ways that are counterproductive and uncomfortable. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but I am pointing at the need to examine why the Dalish are so attractive and why we need to recognize that some of their characterizations are problematic.

 

Also, Solas was attractive to me before I knew he was a god. But, yes, his attractiveness quotient grew tenfold when I realized he was a God. 
I'm a simple girl with simple needs. One of those needs being to bang a god and to absorb his power.

[Cee]

I think anything people want to bring to their own headcanons is fine and can be explored any number of ways. But I do think the fact a female Lavellan is Dalish adds something specific in light of his experiences and their assumptions and mistakes. Want to pair Solas with humans or qunari and explore those conflicts, go ahead, use the hints in banters and extrapolate. It's not implausible.

 

I do agree that a male Lavellan should've gotten the info about the vallaslin, but the explanation regarding the vallaslin being a substitution works in context, even if in reality, it meant saving on production time and money.

 

 

 

On a completely unrelated note, I think killabee's Conan has been doing some modeling.

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[Elira]

I personally think a relationship with Solas period is empowering. Whether antagonistic, a deep friendship, or a romance, there's a unique and touching deepness there. To me, at least. His character, as has been expressed innumerable times before, is so nuanced and flawed that any dynamic makes you feel something. I believe that a character is extremely well done when it incites strong feelings and opinions, whether those feelings be of altruism or abhorrence. There are fewer "Meh" impressions of Solas than there are "I just love him in all his flawed, complicated bad decision making glory" or "I hate this cocky, know-it-all jerk with all my being". At least from what I've seen. When character stirs something in someone, leaves a distinguishable impression, and is memorable, hate them or love them, they're well done. Solas is well done. That's what I love about him. Romance or not, his character plays an important role. I actually feel bad for those people who didn't do much interacting with him. They missed out on a impressionable relationship. The romance does add a little special something. I won't argue that. The Solas romance is one of my ultimate favorites, and in all my ooey-gooey romantic sap self, I would adore a semi-sweet (at least) closure to it. It's like an omelette (don't hang me). You of course have your eggs, your cheese, your spices, your peppers. The romance is an extra helping of cheese for those cheese addicts, or hot sauce for those looking for some spice, or tomatoes, or whatever tickles you pink. But honestly, I just want closure for Solas period. His character deserves it. He's too well done and too brilliant not to be done justice. I trust Patrick Weekes to pull it off. 

[Cee]

I personally think a relationship with Solas period is empowering. Whether antagonistic, a deep friendship, or a romance, there's a unique and touching deepness there. To me, at least. His character, as has been expressed innumerable times before, is so nuanced and flawed that any dynamic makes you feel something. I believe that a character is extremely well done when it incites strong feelings and opinions, whether those feelings be of altruism or abhorrence. There are fewer "Meh" impressions of Solas than there are "I just love him in all his flawed, complicated bad decision making glory" or "I hate this cocky, know-it-all jerk with all my being". At least from what I've seen. When character stirs something in someone, leaves a distinguishable impression, and is memorable, hate them or love them, they're well done. Solas is well done. That's what I love about him. Romance or not, his character plays an important role. I actually feel bad for those people who didn't do much interacting with him. They missed out on a impressionable relationship. The romance does add a little special something. I won't argue that. The Solas romance is one of my ultimate favorites, and in all my ooey-gooey romantic sap self, I would adore a semi-sweet (at least) closure to it. It's like an omelette (don't hang me). You of course have your eggs, your cheese, your spices, your peppers. The romance is an extra helping of cheese for those cheese addicts, or hot sauce for those looking for some spice, or tomatoes, or whatever tickles you pink. But honestly, I just want closure for Solas period. His character deserves it. He's too well done and too brilliant not to be done justice. I trust Patrick Weekes to pull it off. 

 

 

This, really. I think he's one of BW's best characters.

[Catfishers]

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I personally think a relationship with Solas period is empowering. Whether antagonistic, a deep friendship, or a romance, there's a unique and touching deepness there. To me, at least. His character, as has been expressed innumerable times before, is so nuanced and flawed that any dynamic makes you feel something. I believe that a character is extremely well done when it incites strong feelings and opinions, whether those feelings be of altruism or abhorrence. There are fewer "Meh" impressions of Solas than there are "I just love him in all his flawed, complicated bad decision making glory" or "I hate this cocky, know-it-all jerk with all my being". At least from what I've seen. When character stirs something in someone, leaves a distinguishable impression, and is memorable, hate them or love them, they're well done. Solas is well done. That's what I love about him. Romance or not, his character plays an important role. I actually feel bad for those people who didn't do much interacting with him. They missed out on a impressionable relationship. The romance does add a little special something. I won't argue that. The Solas romance is one of my ultimate favorites, and in all my ooey-gooey romantic sap self, I would adore a semi-sweet (at least) closure to it. It's like an omelette (don't hang me). You of course have your eggs, your cheese, your spices, your peppers. The romance is an extra helping of cheese for those cheese addicts, or hot sauce for those looking for some spice, or tomatoes, or whatever tickles you pink.

 

But honestly, I just want closure for Solas period. His character deserves it. He's too well done and too brilliant not to be done justice. I trust Patrick Weekes to pull it off. 

 

Agreed. Romanced or not, he's an incredibly tragic, nuanced character, and I'd hate to see that potential wasted.

[Cee]

I honestly feel like they took such great care with him, seeding Fen'Harel through two previous games and then taking great care to make Solas so well rounded, subtle, informative, nuanced, tragic, reflective, and fascinating, that to me it does inspire trust in handling the character.

 

It's also clear they know how many of us were affected by his character, let alone the romance arc.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Agreed. Romanced or not, he's an incredibly tragic, nuanced character, and I'd hate to see that potential wasted.

 

Open bribery of the GM is perfectly acceptable in tabletop games.  Maybe it'll work here.  Quick, let's all send Weekes some cookies!

[NightSymphony]

I trust in the Weekes.  And now that he is head writer...he can do whatever he wants!  Remember, he didn't want to kill Thane...

[Heidirs]

Regarding the vallaslin - I actually think it was a bit of a mis-step that they didn't give that scene to every Lavellan.  It's a very powerful truth and provides a lot of wonderful opportunities to really dive into BEING Dalish for each player. I think it's sad that it's tied to the romance because they made it this intimate scene when at the end of the day it's about reconciling your own beliefs.  Not about you and Solas. My .02 cents on that. 

 

While I mostly agree with this, I think part of what makes it an "intimate" moment is the amount of trust that has to exist between the two of them, (1) for Solas to admit what the Vallaslin symbolizes and (2) for Lavellan to accept his word on it.

 

For Lavellan, Solas is telling her something hurtful about everything she's ever believed in and about the life she's lived as Dalished. Not only is he taking a risk on whether or not he'll accept his words, but she also has to come to terms with that means for her personally and how to reconcile it. He's also admitted something shameful about the culture he was a part of it that I'm sure he'd rather not bring up. There's some very personal stuff going on here, and while I would love for any Lavellan to be able to have that revelation. I also think the same connection isn't possible in a non-romance for Solas to admit the truth to anyone else.

 

Just my thoughts.

[Catfishers]

Open bribery of the GM is perfectly acceptable in tabletop games.  Quick, let's all send Weekes some cookies!

 

He's already been offered body parts. As delicious as cookies are, we may need to up our bribery game slightly.

[Elira]

He's already been offered body parts. As delicious as cookies are, we may need to up our bribery game slightly.

 

Body parts and heavenly cookies?

[nikki-tikki]

I really, really wish that the vallaslin removal had been an option for male Lavellans. Really, I do. I understand the emotional weight Solas's arc shoulders--I understand. But I feel that Solas's character and Solas's deep friendships get lost under the emphasis everyone gives the romance. Yes, it's unresolved. And, yes, he's a big player. But I would like to see more variety and more consideration for relationships anterior to the romance.

 

I would also caution against privileging the female elf's Dalishness as a deciding factor. I do not mind pairings of Solas with humans, dwarves, qunari, raptors, whatever. These are imaginative possibilities in fanfiction/fanart that allows disclosure of desire and opens up the character for closer examination through an alternative lens. These are valuable viewpoints. I also see too many people in fandom fetishizing the Dalish in ways that are counterproductive and uncomfortable. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but I am pointing at the need to examine why the Dalish are so attractive and why we need to recognize that some of their characterizations are problematic.

 

If that was an option Tyrant Lavellan would be complete...He hates his vallaslin. And Dalish in general. Come to think of it he hates everything.

 

Edit: I see what you did there.... 

 

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[Giton]

While I mostly agree with this, I think part of what makes it an "intimate" moment is the amount of trust that has to exist between the two of them, (1) for Solas to admit what the Vallaslin symbolizes and (2) for Lavellan to accept his word on it.

 

For Lavellan, Solas is telling her something hurtful about everything she's ever believed in and about the life she's lived as Dalished. Not only is he taking a risk on whether or not he'll accept his words, but she also has to come to terms with that means for her personally and how to reconcile it. He's also admitted something shameful about the culture he was a part of it that I'm sure he'd rather not bring up. There's some very personal stuff going on here, and while I would love for any Lavellan to be able to have that revelation. I also think the same connection isn't possible in a non-romance for Solas to admit the truth to anyone else.

 

Just my thoughts.

I would like to think the same connection or similar is possible for an unromanced character. In my opinion, giving the scene only to a romanced Lavellan, while special, has the potential to deflate the importance of his friendships. I don't know. I think his relationship with Cass, for example, is EXTREMELY important. Extremely. I, personally, dig it more so than the romance.

[Heidirs]

Body parts and heavenly cookies?

 

We're putting delicious things next to grisly things... I'm not sure how well this works...

[Siha]

He's already been offered body parts. As delicious as cookies are, we may need to up our bribery game slightly.

 

Body parts and heavenly cookies?

 

Body parts? Can we please refrain from sending him limbs in a bag? I think that's illegal.

[Cee]

Body parts and heavenly cookies?

 

 

Cupcakes, glitter, huge shipments of LEGO built in the shape of a message of what we want?

[nikki-tikki]

Body parts? Can we please refrain from sending him limbs in a bag? I think that's illegal.

 

He is expecting waifu pillows at some point I'm pretty sure...

[Armdin]

Open bribery of the GM is perfectly acceptable in tabletop games.  Maybe it'll work here.  Quick, let's all send Weekes some cookies!

 

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Like this?

[Elira]

I have too horrible of a cough to be laughing like this. Rofl.

 

We're putting delicious things next to grisly things... I'm not sure how well this works...

 

They can be placed in separate boxes. At least there's variety?

 

 

Body parts? Can we please refrain from sending him limbs in a bag? I think that's illegal.

 

I'm googling whether it actually is or not. I pity the person who ever looks in my search history.

 

 

Cupcakes, glitter, huge shipments of LEGO built in the shape of a message of what we want?

 

This sounds like a much more legal, safer, and preferable plan.

 

 

 

Edit: Because grammar.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Cupcakes, glitter, huge shipments of LEGO built in the shape of a message of what we want?

 

As long as we don't cross the streams.  Glittery cupcakes made of LEGOs or body part cookies might not go over so well 

[Heidirs]

I would like to think the same connection or similar is possible for an unromanced character. In my opinion, giving the scene only to a romanced Lavellan, while special, has the potential to deflate the importance of his friendships. I don't know. I think his relationship with Cass, for example, is EXTREMELY important. Extremely. I, personally, dig it more so than the romance.

 

I don't think his friendships are unimportant, and I certainly don't want to imply they are deflated compared to the romance. But in general, a romantic relationship isn't the same as platonic one. And given that Solas considers giving up his quest for her, I think he puts a lot of his hopes and dreams on a romanced Lavellan in a way he doesn't with anyone else. And in that sense, telling her about the vallaslin is representative of that. He doesn't have these thoughts/feelings toward another character, so he wouldn't have the same things to say or truths to reveal to them. It doesn't mean he doesn't care about his friends, and it doesn't mean he cares about a romanced Lavellan more, she just invokes different thoughts/emotions from him.

[Heidirs]

Cupcakes, glitter, huge shipments of LEGO built in the shape of a message of what we want?

 

You only send glitter to your enemies.

[Siha]

I have too horrible of a cough to be laughing like this. Rofl.

...

I actually googling whether it actually is or not. I pity the person that ever looks in my search history.

 

I don't have a cough, but I'm glad I read this back in my hotel room and not outside. (Btw, get better soon.)

 

So... what did you find out, is it illegal? ... for science.

[Armdin]

I don't quite get where people see a friendship between Solas and Cass. I think they respect one another, and that's hugely important. I love that about their relationship, but there's a few points where it seems like Cass suspects Solas, but keeps it to herself.

 

Sad as it is, I don't see Solas being friends with anyone except Cole.