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[Armdin]

On the subject of banters and friendship, well he does grow to have a lot of respect for most of the companions. He still doesn't wind up liking Vivienne much, and he nerds out with Dorian over magic but I think he thinks he might still be slightly naive even with good intentions in the end. Still, I found Solas switching gears with Sera, who he even comes to admire and starts giving tips on rebellions, to be quite amusing. He trolls her, she trolls him, then it becomes this oddly respectful thing.

 

For example, he doesn't show up to Wicked Grace, but he does play cards with Blackwall separately. He definitely comes to see even some parallels to Blackwall and apologizes. Solas can be harsh and judgmental, but he learns from his experiences.

 

But respect and fun and philosophical conversations do not always equal closeness. And I think that's what we're getting at here.

 

Closeness, I don't know if that's there, somewhat by necessity, with those other than the Inquisitor (romanced or not) and Cole.

 

That you for putting into words what was turning into mush in my head. xD

 

I don't mean to demean Solas's relationship with the other companions when I say I don't believe he has any friends within the Inquisition, excluding Cole. I do believe he has genuine affection/admiration/etc. for particular members and the banters that reflect that. That said, I think it takes a lot for Solas to consider someone a friend, someone on equal terms.

[BoscoBread]

I get that Solas and Cass greatly respect one another, but Solas only refers to Cassandra as "Seeker", same as Varric, although I imagine he says it with less venom than Varric does. xD If he did consider her a friend then he'd call her by her name, or otherwise. I actually forgot about the chess banter between Solas and Bull, (especially when he says "You have the Inquisiton, the Inquisitor, and me"), that's a good point. Also he has card games with Blackwall.

 

The "wolf pack" is more interpretation I believe? That the Inquisiton functions as a pack, rather than "these are my buddies" type image.

Solas is incredibly respectful of titles and station.  He never calls a friendly inquisitor anything by other than their title. However he calls Varric - Varric.  For Solas; respect, challenging each other in conversations, and opening himself up to the other companions(which he actually does with Varric, Solas, Cole in particular) IS friendship.  Back to the titles; Cassandra also asks Solas why he calls her Seeker - and Solas explains this to her...she's worthy of the title. She seeks truth. It's a compliment.  A great one.  One that shows Cassandra that he deeply respects her convictions.  

 

I think Solas and Cass have a great friendship. I also don't think them having a fantastic and close friendship negates any romantic relationship with Lavellan...which is the vibe I'm getting.  These things are not mutually exclusive. ****...for someone that spent thousands of years alone, I think he's due to find a nice group of friends that he trusts and loves and that trust and love is reciprocated.  

 

EDIT: Just read it above - I think this is a matter of interpretation clearly. I found his friendship with Cass to be pretty emotional.  Others clearly did not see it this way. 

[Addai]

 

This is going to sound stupid, but it's because Trev is human.  In Thedas humans have been walking all over elven culture and elves in general for thousands of years.  The (human) Herald of Andraste and an elven god just makes me uncomfortable, which is a tad hypocritical because two of my three canons are human/elf pairings.

 

Also, Tethraghast.  Eww.  Varric has a girlfriend, people!  It may be unconventional, but it works for them.

But... but... Qunari. Of course the PC is Vashoth but the only reason the Qunari haven't swept over Thedas and destroyed "rescued" much of its culture is because the Tevinters got blood magic. I would think that would be a bigger cultural hurdle in a romance than with a human. Plus, y'know. Horns.

 

I wish Varric would dump Bianca already, but I sure wouldn't put him with Cass.

[Elira]

Like London England??

 

I'd have to go quite the distance for that....

 

But for you darling....anything....

 

I will buy things with your artwork on them all day every day.

[nikki-tikki]

I will buy things with your artwork on them all day every day.

 

 

<3333 you're too sweet!

[Armdin]

Solas is incredibly respectful of titles and station.  He never calls a friendly inquisitor anything by other than their title. However he calls Varric - Varric.  For Solas; respect, challenging each other in conversations, and opening himself up to the other companions(which he actually does with Varric, Solas, Cole in particular) IS friendship.  Back to the titles; Cassandra also asks Solas why he calls her Seeker - and Solas explains this to her...she's worthy of the title. She seeks truth. It's a compliment.  A great one.  One that shows Cassandra that he deeply respects her convictions.  

 

I think Solas and Cass have a great friendship. I also don't think them having a fantastic and close friendship negates any romantic relationship with Lavellan...which is the vibe I'm getting.  These things are not mutually exclusive. ****...for someone that spent thousands of years alone, I think he's due to find a nice group of friends that he trusts and loves and that trust and love is reciprocated.  

 

EDIT: Just read it above - I think this is a matter of interpretation clearly. I found his friendship with Cass to be pretty emotional.  Others clearly did not see it this way. 

 

Totally agree with emboldened, I just don't think that's what ends up happening. He does call a friend!Inquisitor "My friend"/"Lethalla/in", so there's that at least. With Varric, he seems to bounce about, from just "Varric", to "Master Tethras", to "Child of the Stone". Oddball.

[Cee]

Guys, I think this is our shot to send that LEGO message: https://twitter.com/...055479907184640

[nikki-tikki]

Totally agree with emboldened. He does call a friend!Inquisitor "My friend"/"Lethalla/in", so there's that at least. With Varric, he seems to bounce about, from just "Varric", to "Master Tethras", to "Child of the Stone". Oddball.

 

I like to think of it as returning the way Varric labels everybody with nicknames...except Solas isn't as creative with it...

[KarateKats]

I get that Solas and Cass greatly respect one another, but Solas only refers to Cassandra as "Seeker", same as Varric, although I imagine he says it with less venom than Varric does. xD If he did consider her a friend then he'd call her by her name, or otherwise. I actually forgot about the chess banter between Solas and Bull, (especially when he says "You have the Inquisiton, the Inquisitor, and me"), that's a good point. Also he has card games with Blackwall.

 

The "wolf pack" is more interpretation I believe? That the Inquisiton functions as a pack, rather than "these are my buddies" type image.

 

Solas never calls anyone by their name because it isn't in his nature to do so. Not even a romanced Lavellan is called by her name. I think his conversation he has about spirits really highlights the reason for this imo. He tends to call people by what they are rather than a name they've been given, and I think that's very meaningful to him.

 

Also the wolf pack mural may be an interpretation but it's a good one to make I think. Murals take weeks of planning, and then he paints it with the fresco technique if I'm not mistaken. It's not just paint on-top of a wall.. it becomes a part of the very wall itself when it dries. It's a record of the Inquisitor's adventure, but I also think it's something very personal to him.

 

Personally I think Solas has an incredibly sad back story, but that doesn't keep him from making new friends. It would be very weird if someone as charismatic and wordly as him spent possibly a year or more with the Inquisition and didn't make a single friend outside of Cole.

 

 

But respect and fun and philosophical conversations do not always equal closeness. And I think that's what we're getting at here.

 

Closeness, I don't know if that's there, somewhat by necessity, with those other than the Inquisitor (romanced or not) and Cole.

Isn't that what being a friend is? I consider all my friends fun to be around.. We have mutual respect for each other. We have deep conversations with each other. Some of them go even deeper than that, but some of them don't. I think everyone has a degree of friendship with those in their acquaintance. I don't think anyone is saying that Solas is like OMGLIKETOTALLBFFS5EVAR with Cass or anyone else... But that by several of his party banters he clearly considers members of the party his friend.

[Siha]

Like London England??

 

I'd have to go quite the distance for that....

 

But for you darling....anything....

 

Well, not for me, for business!

Or let me wear it wherever I go and I'll make a survey what country reacts best to it.

 

I will buy things with your artwork on them all day every day.

 

Ha! Another satisfied customer. Maybe rather consider an online shop.

[electricfish]

Totally agree with emboldened, I just don't think that's what ends up happening. He does call a friend!Inquisitor "My friend"/"Lethalla/in", so there's that at least. With Varric, he seems to bounce about, from just "Varric", to "Master Tethras", to "Child of the Stone". Oddball.

 

I've noticed that Solas changes how he refers to Varric somewhat based on the situation and how much their opinion differs in that moment. Master Tethras tends to be used in situations where Solas is feeling the most respect/connection to him, like when he tells Varric that he does good work writing stories and creating worlds for people to get lost in. Child of the Stone is used when Solas wants to distance himself from Varric or his opinion, like when they're arguing about what to do with Cole. Solas' opinion is challenged by a logical counter and he's uncomfortable with that. 

"Varric" is a more general/neutral term used wherever, and is probably a play on how Varric gives everyone nicknames or titles.

[Cee]

 

Isn't that what being a friend is? I consider all my friends fun to be around.. We have mutual respect for each other. We have deep conversations with each other. Some of them go even deeper than that, but some of them don't. I think everyone has a degree of friendship with those in their acquaintance. I don't think anyone is saying that Solas is like OMGLIKETOTALLBFFS5EVAR with Cass or anyone else... But that by several of his party banters he clearly considers members of the party his friend.

 

Yes, what I was talking about are degrees. There's often a difference between friends and those who are extremely, deeply, and intimately, close on the BFF level. Just....degrees. I have friends I've had for 20 years that when we're together (which isn't all that often these days), it's like no time has passed and the closeness and affection is always as strong. I have close friends that live thousands of miles away that I've met online and we've never been in a room together, but we're there for one another all the time, through the silliest things to the most serious. There are degrees and it depends on multiple factors.

[Armdin]

Isn't that what being a friend is?

 

 It usually is, but not always. I've had plenty of friendly acquaintances where I've had good fun with them and enjoyed their company, respected them and their opinions, but just never developed a friendship with them. They're usually work colleagues, which I think could be similar with the Inquisition. At the end of the day, everyone will go their separate ways, and only a few will keep in touch or make an active effort to stay in each other's lives.

[Mims]

Also the wolf pack mural may be an interpretation but it's a good one to make I think. Murals take weeks of planning, and then he paints it with the fresco technique if I'm not mistaken. It's not just paint on-top of a wall.. it becomes a part of the very wall itself when it dries. It's a record of the Inquisitor's adventure, but I also think it's something very personal to him.

 

It is indeed a fresco. The codex entry comments that each panel is planned out extensively before it is worked on. Given how symbolic it is, I don't doubt that Solas chose everything very specifically. It meant something to him to depict the Inquisition as a pack of wolves. It was not just done because he liked them. 

 

Some interesting notations from wikipedia on fresco painting:

 

The problems with painting frescos come from the plaster. It must be mixed up and put on the wall freshly every day and left to partly dry before it can be used. As the plaster begins to dry or "set", the artist can start the picture. The artist must work very quickly and carefully. If he/she makes a mistake, the plaster must be scraped off. While the plaster is setting, it becomes very hot and gives off gases. This makes working on a fresco unpleasant. Because frescos are on walls, or ceilings, they can not be moved from place to place, or rearranged, like other paintings.

 

The artist must plan the work carefully. It starts with a small drawing of the picture, The artists then makes a large drawing, called a cartoon, and works out the right order to paint the picture, because a big picture might take more than a week to paint. Each day's work is called by the Italian name giornata. Giorno means "day".

 

When the day's work starts, the artist needs to work fast so there is usually another worker or assistant who mixes the plaster and helps the artist.

The artists pins up a drawing and uses a sharp point to mark the lines of the drawing onto the plaster. He/she then paints the outlines of the picture onto the plaster. Accuracy is very important; the artist must get it right in one go.

As the painting dries, the artist works over the whole giornata again, putting in details of the faces and the clothing, and painting shadows.

At the beginning of the next day's work, the plaster edge of the last giornata is scraped so that the new plaster joins well. Often it is possible to see the joins and work out how many giornata it took to do a single painting.

[Illyria]

I am and I did. Ok, I can see that.  My thing with that is, he lies so little - if ever - that I just never got that from him. But I can see how people may and obviously the writers were concerned because Weekes was compelled to write the romance to negate this concern.  I've just had so much fun digging into it, I just wish all the Lavellans had it.  Again, I agree that it's incredibly intimate and for a Lavellan she probably thinks he's going to give her something special or...if you were me...thought they were going to bang in the woods ( )   and he does give you something special, an important truth.  I think, however, if written well they could have done something just as special and given that truth to all Lavellans.   

 

I totally thought they were going to bang in the woods.  My reaction was the same as my Lavellan's 'you have to be KIDDING me.'

 

And I can see your point, but I'm happy with this truth being part of the romance.  People have said that his friendship is very similar to this romance so this is important that it's just romance.  He's more open and honest with his girlfriend than he is with anyone else.

[nikki-tikki]

Well, not for me, for business!

Or let me wear it wherever I go and I'll make a survey what country reacts best to it.

 

 

Ha! Another satisfied customer. Maybe rather consider an online shop.

 

I have considered it. Now that school is over I may have the time now...

[yetanothername]

 Back to the titles; Cassandra also asks Solas why he calls her Seeker - and Solas explains this to her...she's worthy of the title. She seeks truth. It's a compliment.  A great one.  One that shows Cassandra that he deeply respects her convictions.  

 

This, on the subject of why he never calls her by name. She specifically calls him on it, which is another clue, really. I'm not trying to knock anyone about their romantic relationship not being special, but their relationships evolve a lot over time and it's a shame to see them written off as water-cooler buddies.

 

Solas - It is a comfort to have you present on our journey, Seeker.
Cassandra - You so rarely call me by my name, Solas. Why is that?
Solas - Manners perhaps.
Cassandra - Manners have not held you back on other occasions.
Solas - I say what I believe to be true. Even if it gives offense to those who prefer the lie. But there is no lie in what you are. Your position is an honorable one and well-earned.

[Sable Rhapsody]

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH. GATT IS MY BABY. <3333333333

 

HOW CAN YOU SAY NO TO THAT FACE. 

 

I did, in fact, twice tell that face "F*** yo dreadnought"

 

In all seriousness, it probably didn't help that the first time I met Gatt, I had Dorian in tow.  And Dorian > everyone else in Thedas.

[nikki-tikki]

I did, in fact, twice tell that face "F*** yo dreadnought"

 

In all seriousness, it probably didn't help that the first time I met Gatt, I had Dorian in tow.  And Dorian > everyone else in Thedas.

 

I did it all for Gatt. I have a list of possible one night stands around Skyhold. He's near the top actually. 

 

Edit: Have a ToP Gatt

 

Spoilered for not being Solas

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I did it all for Gatt. I have a list of possible one night stands around Skyhold. He's near the top actually. 

 

It's a pretty long list, so that's a compliment.

 

HEAR THAT GATT.  SOMEONE COMPLIMENTED YOU, SO GRUMP LESS 

[Elira]

"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day".

 

Elira Greatly Disapproves

[nikki-tikki]

It's a pretty long list, so that's a compliment.

 

HEAR THAT GATT.  SOMEONE COMPLIMENTED YOU, SO GRUMP LESS 

 

HIS LAUGH IS THE CUTEST.

[Sable Rhapsody]

HIS LAUGH IS THE CUTEST.

 

Clearly I need to try a playthrough where I don't offend him by my very existence.  Though I suppose he was nice enough to my Adaar until Adaar was like, "Dude the Qun blows."  That...kind of put a dent in their embryonic friendship.  As did blowing up the dreadnought 

[Heidirs]

I see your point. It's true. But I'm all undecided. The situation on the friendship path is similar: Dalish elf shows a thoughtfullness and open-mindedness that impresses Solas. He is different from what Solas is used to. He wants to learn, understand, see beyond his Dalish tradition. All this after Solas has been rejected by the Dalish over and over (?) again. I do see how Solas would reveal the true meaning of the vallaslin even to an unromanced Lavellan (and I used "he" by choice). Solas finally has the choice to actually share some real Dalish tradition with one of their representatives, one who will not turn away and disregard it all.

 

I can see your point there, and it totally makes sense. Though, I think, looking at it from a relationship perspective, a person in general may have things they are comfortable sharing only with their significant other. And, they also may have things they share only with their friends. While a non-romanced Lavellan may follow the same path in being open to Solas and his ideas and Solas may come to deeply respect them, the doors that he needs opened emotionally to share with them the same truths as a romanced Lavellan aren't there.

 

Though, again. I totally see where people are coming from in wishing a non-romanced Lavellan can learn about the vallaslin as well. I can just see why for Solas, he might not be open to it.

[nikki-tikki]

Solas related maybe?