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Besides, while one expects that friendship and concern between members of the inner circle did happen, to me it feels just a bit too self-absorbed to think all of them would give two raging ***** about who you are bedding and the potential outcome of that. They kind of got their own lives too, right? You're important and cared about, probably, but not that important in the larger picture of their own lives.

I headcanon that for my Lavellan, it's Dorian, Cole sometimes (though she rejects forgetting), and to some extent, Leliana, who help her afterward. Dorian is a true friend to her and he's the one she lets in, but she still does all her duty and has lots of questions, but she's not completely breaking or anything. She steels herself until Corypheus is defeated and then sort of throws herself into her work somewhat. She deals with some insomnia and doesn't always eat much but in general, she maintains a certain privacy and outward duty.

 

Leliana helps more once she finds out the truth after the end. Though I imagine them being good friends as well before then. But things work to bring them closer over time.



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I wonder if it isn't something that ends up being more cruel than a favor. It was spontaneous, after all, not what he planned to tell her. What real good does it do anyone to know? Though having found out, my PC was glad to know, but I think it will end up making life difficult for her since she had him remove it.

 

My Lavellan knew there was no way she was going back to the Dalish, even if she wanted to. Too much in her life had changed. She couldn't go from being the "Herald of Andraste" to an ordinary person again, and the people would never let her. She was already working through these thoughts and feelings when Solas offered to remove the Vallasin. For her, having it removed was just a symbol that she was no longer who she was at the beginning of the journey.



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My Lavellan knew there was no way she was going back to the Dalish, even if she wanted to. Too much in her life had changed. She couldn't go from being the "Herald of Andraste" to an ordinary person again, and the people would never let her. She was already working through these thoughts and feelings when Solas offered to remove the Vallasin. For her, having it removed was just a symbol that she was no longer who she was at the beginning of the journey.

 

I went that way too. And if you play the DLC after, it's funny how she's still seen as Dalish, despite her missing vallaslin. Lol


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I wonder if it isn't something that ends up being more cruel than a favor. It was spontaneous, after all, not what he planned to tell her. What real good does it do anyone to know? Though having found out, my PC was glad to know, but I think it will end up making life difficult for her since she had him remove it.

 

I keep flip-flopping on this and I really can't decide where I stand. I understand that it's a truth that he wants to share with her, but to me it seems more… selfish than altruistic? Not maliciously (or even intentionally) so, but it I definitely feel like he did it more to ease his own mind than anything else. 

 

Despite how everyones respective Lavellan ultimately felt about it, I feel like it would have been kinder not to tell her, not to burden her with information that completely flies in the face of everything she and her kin believe. How could she ever go back to her people after that? Would they believe her if she told them about it?

 

I can't help but feel that it was a gesture more for him than for her.



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I keep flip-flopping on this and I really can't decide where I stand. I understand that it's a truth that he wants to share with her, but to me it seems more… selfish than altruistic? Not maliciously so, but it I definitely feel like he did it more to ease his own mind than anything else. 

 

Despite how everyones respective Lavellan ultimately felt about it, I feel like it would have been kinder not to tell her, not to burden her with information that completely flies in the face of everything she and her kin believe. How could she ever go back to her people after that? Would they believe her if she told them about it?

 

I can't help but feel that it was a gesture more for him than for her.

 

I thought that too. I feel because he wants her and loves her despite his decision to end it, he wanted to remove the part of her he could't accept fully, which was her being Dalish. He detests her shackled to anything. If you say you will sacrifice yourself to Corypheus at Haven or drink from the Well, he disapproves.



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I keep flip-flopping on this and I really can't decide where I stand. I understand that it's a truth that he wants to share with her, but to me it seems more… selfish than altruistic? Not maliciously so, but it I definitely feel like he did it more to ease his own mind than anything else. 

 

Despite how everyones respective Lavellan ultimately felt about it, I feel like it would have been kinder not to tell her, not to burden her with information that completely flies in the face of everything she and her kin believe. How could she ever go back to her people after that? Would they believe her if she told them about it?

 

I can't help but feel that it was a gesture more for him than for her.

 

 

To Solas, free will, freedom of the mind and body, these are ultimate values. He is symbolically giving you a gift of freedom here, and I think in that it permanently changes you, it is a sincere gesture on his part, and not selfish. Other than the truth he came to tell you, this understanding and symbolic freedom is the greatest gift he probably feels he can give to the woman he loves. He looks SO proud when you agree to remove it. Though he also looks so wonderfully enamored if you keep it.

 

For my Lavellan, she had him remove it because of all of the things she had learned. Her mind was open. She considered this a new beginning. She thought he'd be there by her side though. So the whole matter of her clan has been bouncing around my head to write something.


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My Lavellan knew there was no way she was going back to the Dalish, even if she wanted to. Too much in her life had changed. She couldn't go from being the "Herald of Andraste" to an ordinary person again, and the people would never let her. She was already working through these thoughts and feelings when Solas offered to remove the Vallasin. For her, having it removed was just a symbol that she was no longer who she was at the beginning of the journey.

 

Mine too.  I think she started to realize it with Skyhold, but it really sank in around Halamshiral.  Like Aveline says, it's not the same if it's not a choice, if you really can't go home again.

 

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I thought that too. I feel because he wants her and loves her despite his decision to end it, he wanted to remove the part of her he could't accept fully, which was her being Dalish.

 

But if you keep the vallaslin, he says Lavellan is perfect the way she is.  And he means it.  Except when he has to avoid telling the truth about himself, Solas is not the kind of character to mince words and say things he doesn't mean.  He does highly prize the truth despite all his inconsistencies, and he would consider the truth a valuable gift no matter how painful it is.  Remember, he meant to tell the truth about his identity too, and that probably would've cut deeper than the vallaslin for some Lavellans.  


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To Solas, free will, freedom of the mind and body, these are ultimate values. He is symbolically giving you a gift of freedom here, and I think in that it permanently changes you, it is a sincere gesture on his part, and not selfish. Other than the truth he came to tell you, this understanding and symbolic freedom is the greatest gift he probably feels he can give to the woman he loves. He looks SO proud when you agree to remove it. Though he also looks so wonderfully enamored if you keep it.

 

This is true. And I definitely don't mean selfish in the sense that he's knowingly doing it for himself or anything like that.

 

It is a gift of freedom. But it's a gift of freedom that only he was aware of before telling Lavellan the truth about the gods. Without him telling her she would have remained blissfully ignorant. Until that point, he's pretty much the only one who knows or cares.

 

This is why I flip-flop on it, because I agree that it's a beautiful gift and completely in line with Solas' character, but I can't help but feel that not telling her might have been the kinder thing to do. I just don't know how to feel about it, really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Edit: I feel like I should say that my Lavellan did have her vallaslin removed. 



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Mine too.  I think she started to realize it with Skyhold, but it really sank in around Halamshiral.  Like Aveline says, it's not the same if it's not a choice, if you really can't go home again.

 

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But if you keep the vallaslin, he says Lavellan is perfect the way she is.  And he means it.  Except when he has to avoid telling the truth about himself, Solas is not the kind of character to mince words and say things he doesn't mean.  He does highly prize the truth despite all his inconsistencies, and he would consider the truth a valuable gift no matter how painful it is.  Remember, he meant to tell the truth about his identity too, and that probably would've cut deeper than the vallaslin for some Lavellans.  

 

That's why it's hard to decide his intentions. I believe part of it was selfish if you go through with it, but his constant dislike of her being a slave or bound to anything makes it go both ways in my opinion.



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I thought that too. I feel because he wants her and loves her despite his decision to end it, he wanted to remove the part of her he could't accept fully, which was her being Dalish. He detests her shackled to anything. If you say you will sacrifice yourself to Corypheus at Haven or drink from the Well, he disapproves.

I kept it.  I always did.  I removed it once just to see but it didn't sit right with me for various reasons which I thought about later. I won't get into it, but it was important for me and the way I played my Lavellan to keep it. 

 

Regardless the truth is her freedom. He still loves you the same if you keep it. He still loves you the same if you remove it.  He accepts you as being Dalish. He means it when he says he loves you exactly as you are...that means everything. Including being Dalish. What he doesn't love is unshaking, intractable opinions.  That goes for the non-elf Inquisitors as well.   

 

He doesn't want you to reject your identity wholesale.  


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Mine too.  I think she started to realize it with Skyhold, but it really sank in around Halamshiral.  Like Aveline says, it's not the same if it's not a choice, if you really can't go home again.

 

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I kept it.  I always did.  I removed it once just to see but it didn't sit right with me for various reasons which I thought about later. I won't get into it, but it was important for me and the way I played my Lavellan to keep it. 

 

Regardless the truth is her freedom. He still loves you the same if you keep it. He still loves you the same if you remove it.  He accepts you as being Dalish. He means it when he says he loves you exactly as you are...that means everything. Including being Dalish. What he doesn't love is unshaking, intractable opinions.  That goes for the non-elf Inquisitors as well.   

 

He doesn't want you to reject your identity wholesale.  

 

I'll be honest... I removed it until I saw I picked barely visible eyebrows and she looked bald (I had the June vallaslin)! :lol:

 

And that's why players wonder why they can't romance another after that scene. He's yours forever! Lol



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I'll be honest... I removed it until I saw I picked barely visible eyebrows and she looked bald (I had the June vallaslin)! :lol:

 

And that's why players wonder why they can't romance another after that scene. He's yours forever! Lol

 

I admit I wasn't a huge fan of the vallaslin designs at first so I made hers light green. After it was gone, it still looked odd. When I played the DLC and her face was bare, it surprised me for a second, then I remembered.



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I admit I wasn't a huge fan of the vallaslin designs at first so I made hers light green. After it was gone, it still looked odd. When I played the DLC and her face was bare, it surprised me for a second, then I remembered.

 

Same! And when I was called Dalish by others in the DLC... I thought... damn that should have carried over at least a little bit! Lol I then tell myself that the story of my hardships is all over Thedas, so they know I'm Dalish, just don't care why I have no tattoo.

 

I think Sera and Cole notice it, but no one else says anything about her missing vallaslin do they?



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I think Sera and Cole notice it, but no one else says anything about her missing vallaslin do they?

 

Cassandra comments, also, but backs off and apologizes when Solas says it was done in a private moment.



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I think Sera and Cole notice it, but no one else says anything about her missing vallaslin do they?

 

Josephine does. She's mostly just like 'Oh, what happened to you face?'

 

And then you can be like 'I found out something I bad about them and had them removed' or words to that effect.



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I think Sera and Cole notice it, but no one else says anything about her missing vallaslin do they?

 

Cass and Josie.  But by the time Jaws of Hakkon rolls around, people know the Inquisitor's Dalish, vallaslin or no.  And while your friends can comment, I think it would be beyond rude for a random stranger to go, "Hey, where the f*** are your tattoos?"  Though I wouldn't put that degree of crassness past some of the Orlesians  <_<

 

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Josephine does. She's mostly just like 'Oh, what happened to you face?'

 

And then you can be like 'I found out something I bad about them and had them removed' or words to that effect.

 

 

You can also tell her "Why don't you ask Solas?". Which I did. My Lavellan had her heart broken and no answers, she's entitled to a little anger.

 

 

 

Cassandra comments, also, but backs off and apologizes when Solas says it was done in a private moment.

 


If only Cassandra would take the hint after this banter happening to me like 9 times or more already.


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You can also tell her "Why don't you ask Solas?". Which I did. My Lavellan had her heart broken and no answers, she's entitled to a little anger.

 

I picked that because I (stupidly) thought she would say something like 'Solas could tell you more about this because he is very smart and knows things.'

 

Nope. I felt so bad for snapping at Josie (and also it was rather out of character for my Lavellan to make candid/emotional comments about her relationships, but mostly the first thing).



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My first playthrough, I removed the vallaslin. Since I self-insert, it goes without saying that my Lavellan reflects my values. I cherish freedom in many a form. Artistic freedom, personal freedom, freedom of thought and choice... Onward this list could go. It's a steady conviction for me. My Lavellan removed it because the idea of wearing something that symbolized slavery didn't sit well. Furthermore, it was also symbolic. It represented her choice to move forward, to accept that she was not the same woman she had started as. She is still her, but a her that has a new array of scars, of experiences and wisdom and knowledge, and of layers and depths. She could never return to her clan, vallaslin or no. She has changed, but more than that, she has seen too much and become too a part of the world's conflicts and struggles that to abandon it now would go against her beliefs and who she is. She may not have chosen to be Inquisitor, she may be less than unsuitable for the role in her mind, and frankly suck at it for some time, but it's her responsibility now. She can't just drop everything and go back to her old life after that. This isn't even going into her problems with the Dalish. I want to say in advance I do love them, but I cannot romanticize them or ignore their faults. These are faults that my Lavellan was privy to long before the Conclave. But now between Solas, and Mythal, and all other things she has seen, her reasons for not returning have just been added to. She loves them to death. They are her family, her friends, her people, but her love is not, cannot be wholly blind. She loves them in spite of their shortcomings, but those shortcomings are there and she cannot altogether leave them unacknowledged. I really hope this isn't interpreted as me hating the Dalish, because I don't. They fascinate me and I adore them, just as my Lavellan loves them. I just don't think it's right to completely ignore their flaws. 

 

However, my second playthrough I stopped before the Temple of Mythal for unknown repercussion reasons. Now, though, once the Black Emporium is released I want to get her sliders and start over again, because I tweaked some things in my keep worldstate, but that is neither here nor there. I don't know what I'll do this time. It's definitely something I'll have to think on. I could go either way, personally, and know it would be true to self. On one hand, there's what I said above. On the other, this vallaslin has been part of her for years, and has taken a new meaning through her. But could she hang onto it, even if it defines something she has qualms with? Perhaps she can. Perhaps she can take this mark of slavery, wear it with knowledge of its origin and of her abhorrence for what it once meant, tell it that it no longer means what it once did and give it a new and better meaning, and accept it for that and nothing more or less. Again, I don't know what I'll end up doing. I'm more than a little conflicted, so we'll just have to see. 

 

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I picked that because I (stupidly) thought she would say something like 'Solas could tell you more about this because he is very smart and knows things.'

 

Nope. I felt so bad for snapping at Josie (and also it was rather out of character for my Lavellan to make candid/emotional comments about her relationships, but mostly the first thing).

 

It's one of the few moments where she can actually kind of lose her cool over it. I thought it was fitting enough to take. She's really hurt.

She had also just been ripped to shreds by Sera on the whole matter.


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It's one of the few moments where she can actually kind of lose her cool over it. I thought it was fitting enough to take. She's really hurt.

She had also just been ripped to shreds by Sera on the whole matter.

 

Yeah...my Lavellan and Sera had a pretty vicious falling-out between that, and Sera's comments on the Temple of Mythal.  Which hurt to RP, since Lavellan probably needed friends at that point in the game more than any other, but Sera was not helping matters.  I hope they can patch things up someday.


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You can also tell her "Why don't you ask Solas?". Which I did. My Lavellan had her heart broken and no answers, she's entitled to a little anger.

 

 

 

 

If only Cassandra would take the hint after this banter happening to me like 9 times or more already.

 

Not sure how I missed that since I talk to everyone in Skyhold all the time, and we're all close. Lol and Cole and Cassandra always join me and Solas on quests. And yeah, the snapping thing is nice. She did it with Solas when she confronts him after it ended. First time he called her "Inquisitor" since before they romanced and I admit, it stung.