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On the subject of removing it or not, the story that I ended up with left her believing it was very much not-her to remove the vallaslin. As she told him, what they'd meant in the past no longer mattered, because the Dalish had reclaimed them as their own. She had faith in the Dalish and their ability to change (when necessary), if approached correctly, and over time... and she'd tried hard to represent the elves in everything she did and make the world accept her (and by extension, them, though that never works), that she was afraid she'd be seen as distancing herself from her people by removing them.

 

She did, anyway, at the last second, but it had nothing to do with Solas and everything to do with how she felt best able to approach others, and some other things particular to her choice-combos. I designed a new vallaslin for her, though, because it was her intention to later make it a conscious, informed choice and not something she'd just been born into.


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It's one of the few moments where she can actually kind of lose her cool over it. I thought it was fitting enough to take. She's really hurt.

She had also just been ripped to shreds by Sera on the whole matter.

 

I can totally see why a character would choose that option, it's very realistic. (I love hearing about other people's Lavellans and their thought processes).

It just wasn't what my girl would have done. She tends to keep things bottled up and hidden behind a professional face. It's an insecurity thing. She's terrified of losing peoples respect, terrified they'll abandon her if they think she's not competent in her duties.

 

I feel like her relationship with Sera never really recovered though. She kept it cordial and professional, like she always does. But the pieces never quite went back the same after how insensitive Sera was.


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Regarding the Vallaslin - From my tumblarg - spoiler-d for length

 

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I designed a new vallaslin for her, though, because it was her intention to later make it a conscious, informed choice and not something she'd just been born into.

 

Oh, I like that headcanon.  It's an interesting take on what the vallaslin would mean to her.

 

Not sure how I missed that since I talk to everyone in Skyhold all the time, and we're all close. Lol and Cole and Cassandra always join me and Solas on quests. And yeah, the snapping thing is nice. She did it with Solas when she confronts him after it ended. First time he called her "Inquisitor" since before they romanced and I admit, it stung.

 

Oof, yeah, Solas's conversation after the breakup really hurt, almost worse than the breakup itself.  I was showing the romance scenes to my BFF (we swapped saves since she romanced Cullen), and that was the point where she turned to me and said, "He's an A**HOLE.  Dump.  His.  Ass."  :lol:

 

Though I did like the reaction you can get by lashing out at him there, how his mask starts to crack dangerously before he pulls himself back together.



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Despite how everyones respective Lavellan ultimately felt about it, I feel like it would have been kinder not to tell her, not to burden her with information that completely flies in the face of everything she and her kin believe. How could she ever go back to her people after that? Would they believe her if she told them about it?

 

But even that comes down to your own personal perspective - is it worse to tell her something that makes her question everything she believes in or to withhold the truth because it could be painful? Some people would rather know.


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No. That's just pragmatism.  He'd understand. I would rip his heart out lovingly.  He deserves that much.

 

In all seriousness - I was sad about him leaving at most. Lavellan was maybe a bit hurt, but mostly worried and sad.  He seemed so distraught.   I know her first question to him would be like 'are you ok?'   Just knowing he was safe would really be enough for her.  

 

A page old, but I think this comment is so sweet. x) STOP MAKING ME LOVE HER!


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But even that comes down to your own personal perspective - is it worse to tell her something that makes her question everything she believes in or to withhold the truth because it could be painful? Some people would rather know.

 

That's my dilemma, and sort of what I've been trying to get at, I'm just… struggling to properly formulate my thoughts. I didn't mean to make it seem like this was my immovable opinion. The truth is, I can't decide. My Lavellan always chooses to have them removed, the thought of them being slave markings really hurts her. But she's also very idealistic and I think wants to try and move her people forward, starting with finding out the truth of their legends and traditions.

 

I also think it's certainly a really touching scene and very in keeping with his character.

 

(I've been awake for like… 19 hours at this point. My thoughts are turning into word bad.)


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Oof, yeah, Solas's conversation after the breakup really hurt, almost worse than the breakup itself.  I was showing the romance scenes to my BFF (we swapped saves since she romanced Cullen), and that was the point where she turned to me and said, "He's an A**HOLE.  Dump.  His.  Ass."  :lol:

 

Though I did like the reaction you can get by lashing out at him there, how his mask starts to crack dangerously before he pulls himself back together.

 

I go to the rotunda and have the post-breakup conversation with him now and then just because apparently I like pain.

 

 

And good voice acting.

 

The way each line carries so much sadness, especially the delivery toward the end and the entirety of "You saw more than most". And if you choose the waste of time option....he sounds so sad and he has full knowledge how hurt she is, but his decision is made.

 

 


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However, my second playthrough I stopped before the Temple of Mythal for unknown repercussion reasons. Now, though, once the Black Emporium is released I want to get her sliders and start over again, because I tweaked some things in my keep worldstate, but that is neither here nor there. I don't know what I'll do this time. It's definitely something I'll have to think on. I could go either way, personally, and know it would be true to self. On one hand, there's what I said above. On the other, this vallaslin has been part of her for years, and has taken a new meaning through her. But could she hang onto it, even if it defines something she has qualms with? Perhaps she can. Perhaps she can take this mark of slavery, wear it with knowledge of its origin and of her abhorrence for what it once meant, tell it that it no longer means what it once did and give it a new and better meaning, and accept it for that and nothing more or less. Again, I don't know what I'll end up doing. I'm more than a little conflicted, so we'll just have to see. 

 

There is a line of dialogue you can have with Solas at the waterfall that's along the lines of "Whatever the Vallisin meant before, it means something different now." And I do respect that line of thinking. Because the Vallisin isn't a mark of slavery anymore, it's a mark of the Dalish. And I had originally considered going that route and having my Lavellan hold on to her heritage. I think she would have kept it at the beginning of the game. But by the time I got to the end, she'd had just grown too much and was ready to move forward.


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I bring gifts of art

 

Elf Hoarder

http://whatitmeansto...elves-526884199

 

Solas and Lavellan - this is so beautiful!!

http://airagitt.devi...Solas-526927008

 

When You Sleep Part One

http://milkytwilight...eep-1-526933657

 

When You Sleep Part Two *sniffles*
http://milkytwilight...eep-2-526934287


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And if you choose the waste of time option....he sounds so sad and he has full knowledge how hurt she is, but his decision is made.

 

Yeah, I picked that line.  Between that and the fit she threw over Sera, my Lavellan didn't handle the immediate aftermath of the breakup very well.  But it's ok.  She's relatively young, and Solas was her first serious relationship.  She finds her balance again by the end of Jaws of Hakkon.



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When You Sleep Part One

http://milkytwilight...eep-1-526933657

 

When You Sleep Part Two *sniffles*
http://milkytwilight...eep-2-526934287

 

I have feelings.


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When You Sleep Part One

http://milkytwilight...eep-1-526933657

 

When You Sleep Part Two *sniffles*
http://milkytwilight...eep-2-526934287

 

Oh dear. That song is my go to hellspiral song. This isn't helping.


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Since people asked, chapter 3 of Fade Touched is up. No Solevallan yet, just Hawke/Fenris feels. And I'll warn you this is written in response to sacrificing my Hawke to the Fade. So... feels, okay?

 

Fade Touched
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As difficult as it is for Varric to write Fenris of Hawke's death, it's even harder for Fenris to accept. Resigned to living as a wraith in the former Amell estate, Fenris' friends refuse to let him destroy himself. But his dreams of Hawke reaching out to him from the Fade might prove to be more than what they seem.


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Yeah, I picked that line.  Between that and the fit she threw over Sera, my Lavellan didn't handle the immediate aftermath of the breakup very well.  But it's ok.  She's relatively young, and Solas was her first serious relationship.  She finds her balance again by the end of Jaws of Hakkon.

 

Mine is definitely older. I think in the thing I just wrote I said she began her training 18 years ago at 13. something like that. Though coincidentally enough, the thing I've been working on is a frame story of two very similar nights years apart. It's a present story with her and Solas together (with cameo mentions of Dorian and Cassandra) that frames a story of her first kiss with the girl who was her training partner and also, her first love. I'm sure I'll poke at this another 500 times before putting it up anywhere, if I ever do. But I really enjoy reading how others headcanon their Lavellans in terms of history, ages, viewpoints, etc.

 

For mine, Solas is not her first relationship, not the first man either, but it is deep and intensely passionate, and unique. But it also helps that she has lived through heartbreak before. And in my head, it also helps Solas to know that too in leaving her. (A few of the things I've mentioned in the past few posts went into this short thing: http://archiveofouro...g/works/3643734 )


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ooooooh. Pretty.

 

http://al-teya.tumbl...-fade-ma-vhenan


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I never got anyone mentioning my girl's vallaslin being removed. ;_; So Sera, Cole, Cass, and Josie mention it? Anyone with links to the dialogue? (Not video though, I like to listen in game first hand).



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I never got anyone mentioning my girl's vallaslin being removed. ;_; So Sera, Cole, Cass, and Josie mention it? Anyone with links to the dialogue? (Not video though, I like to listen in game first hand).

 

EDIT: Sorry, miss understood you didn't want video. But the links are there if you decide to look...

 

Sera, Cassandra, and Cole

https://youtu.be/cSzfCGpaBH4

 

Sera alternate version

https://youtu.be/5c61UQi7o0s

 

Josephine

https://youtu.be/xloiDjT6C7w



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I never got anyone mentioning my girl's vallaslin being removed. ;_; So Sera, Cole, Cass, and Josie mention it? Anyone with links to the dialogue? (Not video though, I like to listen in game first hand).

 

A lot of the dialogue is up on the DA wiki, though that's mostly banter, and Sera and Josie's comments are to quizzy rather than in banter.  Don't know where you'd find that other than YouTube?



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Funny that you say that- I actually thought I did something wrong when he dumped me.  I - the player I mean. I thought I had fucked up somewhere down the line so I actually looked it up to see.  Nope. 

 

I get the anger a little. I can't help but feel though that it was supremely fucked up to write fanfictions of companions and the Inquisitor practically beating him to death post break up. Like..I get it. It's cathartic...I guess...but if that's your idea of dealing with a reasonable break up then what's your idea when the guy totally fucks your over?

 

I thought I'd done something wrong too.  I kept the vallaslin and thought that was a dealbreaker.  But I wasn't going to compromise who my character is to keep the romance going.

 

As for the fanfics - yeah, it's a little worrying to see these very violent reactions.  I just put him in the plaid of shame (but the armour he ran off with in a later playthrough was 'Stay Safe, I Love You').  Like you said, my Lavellan is likely to ask 'are you okay' as her first question.


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Since people asked, chapter 3 of Fade Touched is up. No Solevallan yet, just Hawke/Fenris feels. And I'll warn you this is written in response to sacrificing my Hawke to the Fade. So... feels, okay?

 

Fade Touched
Rated T
As difficult as it is for Varric to write Fenris of Hawke's death, it's even harder for Fenris to accept. Resigned to living as a wraith in the former Amell estate, Fenris' friends refuse to let him destroy himself. But his dreams of Hawke reaching out to him from the Fade might prove to be more than what they seem.

 

 

I just read the whole thing so far and yes, feels. Feels all over the place.


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My Lavellan on my last pt was too compassionate. She gave everyone a chance and killed if no other option was presented. When Solas first backed out of returning her feelings, she assumed it was due to his fears and dislikes, so she let him make the choice and pursued him in a more subtle way. When he said he couldn't bear the thought of losing her, she gave him her heart. 

 

I saw her as an elf in her mid 20's and had her first romance with a boy from her clan, so she's not inexperienced (the fade tongue comment pretty much hints at that lol), but he never made her feel like Solas did.

 

When he breaks up with her, she's hurt, angry and blames herself. Feels she did something wrong and is ashamed. Cole actually nailed it in his banter. Lol and when she confronts him, his apologetic attitude makes her calm down and let him go, but keeps him in her heart. She focused on the task at hand and defeats Corypheus. By this point she's decided to not pursue questioning him and apologizes for the loss of his orb. He confesses his feelings and disappears, leaving her to wonder and secretly hope he still loves her.

 

At the party, she retires early only to realize she's not alone as she smiles at her companions gathering around to bid her good night. She awakes with a new purpose and stares out into the dawn's light, determined to find answers.

 

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*snip*

 

Just a heads up: we're still spoiler tagging JoH spoilers.  The DLC isn't out for everyone yet.



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As for the fanfics - yeah, it's a little worrying to see these very violent reactions.

 

I can understand the initial anger that you've been dumped by a video game character. Video games are made (largely) to be won. And this is pretty much the first time a character in a Bioware game breaks up with you and there's just nothing you can do about it, you can't talk him around, and he doesn't change his mind. You can't make different choices and 'win'. I didn't feel angry or ripped off, but I can kind of see why some people would.

 

I don't understand finishing the game and still feeling that way, though. I don't get how people can see the stakes and feel anything but sad for him. How can you watch this tragic, lonely character sacrifice everything in service to his duty and not just feel sad?


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I can understand the initial anger that you've been dumped by a video game character. Video games are made (largely) to be won. And this is pretty much the first time a character in a Bioware game breaks up with you and there's just nothing you can do about it, you can't talk him around, and he doesn't change his mind. I didn't feel angry or ripped off, but I can kind of see why some people would.

 

I don't understand finishing the game and still feeling that way, though. I don't get how people can see the stakes and feel anything but sad for him. How can you watch this tragic, lonely character sacrifice everything in service to his duty and not just feel sad?

 

To me it just feels a bit too much like the whining from certain parts of the male side of the fanbase both pre and post-release.  'Why is Sera gay?' 'Why is Cass so ugly too perfect?'  I like it when video game characters have their own idenities and their world doesn't revolve around the PC (that's actually one of the reasons I like set sexualities and race gating.)  Sometimes it works.  Alistair dumping the Warden or not being able to marry her works.  Solas leaving works.  Anders starting a war doesn't work.