Like you said, my Lavellan is likely to ask 'are you okay' as her first question.
I'm...not looking forward to the reunion between Solas and my Lavellan. While she still does care about him, she's not about to let him know that, at least not at first. Once burned, twice shy and all that. She took the "harden your heart to a cutting edge" advice rather too well.
'Why is Cass
so uglytoo perfect?'
Ugly?!
People said that? Well now I'm just angry.
Ugly?!
People said that? Well now I'm just angry.
Stay out of Feedback and Suggestions then. It's not a good place. I was pretty active on the Cass and Sera threads before the game came out and things did get a bit nasty when their sexualities were annouced. Some parts of the male fanbase whining about how they were robbed of the pretty blonde elf and were stuck with Cass. That sort of thing.
Ugly?!
People said that? Well now I'm just angry.
Ugh, yes... "ugly", 'Cass and Josephine look like men", and occasionally, Cassandra's age all come into these complaints.
I'm...not looking forward to the reunion between Solas and my Lavellan. While she still does care about him, she's not about to let him know that, at least not at first. Once burned, twice shy and all that. She took the "harden your heart to a cutting edge" advice rather too well.
I'm out of likes, but this. This is my girl.
I don't want her to be angry at him, but I know she would be. Just like, no matter how open minded she might now feel about the pantheon and their legends being largely metaphorical, her knee-jerk reaction to finding out that Solas is Fen'harel is not going to be pretty. There's at least 25 years of belief to let go of there. Once she can intellectualise it she'll come around. She still loves him. But her initial reaction? Bad news bears.
Guest_Ser Morwen_*
Just a heads up: we're still spoiler tagging JoH spoilers. The DLC isn't out for everyone yet.
I am aware. Spoiler tag failed on me (twice now it wouldn't work). Corrected it!
Mine would be a little mind blown but also her mind is open enough now to accept it in the end. She is hurt by the deception, but if she ever does find out, well, she'd be okay, she'd be able to understand why he hid his identity, but maybe be a bit angry he didn't trust her fully. And if she finds out he accidentally caused the events of DAI and indirectly led to her entire life being uprooted like this....it might take her some time. She loves him, but it also sort of depends what his plans are too.
Stay out of Feedback and Suggestions then. It's not a good place. I was pretty active on the Cass and Sera threads before the game came out and things did get a bit nasty when their sexualities were annouced. Some parts of the male fanbase whining about how they were robbed of the pretty blonde elf and were stuck with Cass. That sort of thing.
Until they met Sera and the "pretty blonde" turned out to be a little less pretty...
IMO...Sera's personality makes her less attractive, but that's just me.
I never got anyone mentioning my girl's vallaslin being removed. ;_; So Sera, Cole, Cass, and Josie mention it? Anyone with links to the dialogue? (Not video though, I like to listen in game first hand).
I'm a little late, sorry, but I think this is everything except Josie's other options. Not sure about those and don't have a save to check.
Sera:
Cassandra:
Cole:
Josephine (one version):
Edited for spelling and whack caps because I can't type, apparently.
Stay out of Feedback and Suggestions then. It's not a good place. I was pretty active on the Cass and Sera threads before the game came out and things did get a bit nasty when their sexualities were annouced. Some parts of the male fanbase whining about how they were robbed of the pretty blonde elf and were stuck with Cass. That sort of thing.
Ugh, yes... "ugly", 'Cass and Josephine look like men", and occasionally, Cassandra's age all come into these complaints.
Ergh. Garbage. Garbage everywhere.
This is why I hide in this thread and never leave.
My girl has, too, had a love before Solas. Solas may not have been her first, but she loved him deeply and truly, so of course it breaks her that it ended. She's just not going to let it dictate her existence. Before Solas captured her heart, she wasn't actively searching for romance, mirroring myself. She's a humongous sap for romance, and daydreams and fantasizes, but she was also content. She didn't need someone. She may have wanted romance, but not so desperately that it was at the edge of her thoughts always. Solas was happenstance. Very, very welcome, cherished, and wondrous happenstance, but happenstance nonetheless. The breakup wounded her. She cried, she mourned, she hurt and ached, but at the end of the day, she knows she has a duty and that the hurt can't influence her to the point it affects those around her. She took time to grieve, but Cole, and Dorian, and Cassandra, and Varric were there for her. Cole felt her hurt and helped in his own special little ways. Dorian reminded her to smile and live life. Cassandra teaches her that she stronger and braver than she believes, and that doubt can actively strengthen one's faith (whether in a religion or people or something else) if used appropriately. Varric remembers and reminds her that she's a person and deserves to be treated as such. With people like that in her life - with her purpose and meaning to both those in her inner circle and to the general population - she can't wallow in hurt forever. It won't instantly go away; time isn't always an alleviation, but she's learned to live with it, She's learned that there is a tomorrow, and that to make it to that tomorrow she has get up and walk. My decision to do Jaws of Hakkon after he leaves for third and ultimate completionist playthrough will be an opportunity for that character development. It will lead her to a position where she's less woe to this broken heart and more worried about Solas' safety, where he is, is he okay. He better be okay.
I have rambled my thoughts a lot today. And I'm probably late with this but c'est la vie.
I don't want her to be angry at him, but I know she would be. Just like, no matter how enlightened and open minded she might now feel about the pantheon and their legends being largely metaphorical, her knee-jerk reaction to finding out that Solas is Fen'harel is not going to be pretty. There's at least 25 years of belief to let go of there. Once she can intellectualise it she'll come around. But her initial reaction? Bad news bears.
For mine, it's not that Solas is Fen'Harel. Between the DLC and the events of the actual game, she's 100% over the god thing, and I don't think the revelation of his identity would bother her all that much. She's pretty inured to weird s*** by now 
But she also doesn't know why he took her to that glade, and she doesn't know that he meant to tell the truth. From her perspective, once the truth comes out, it looks like he never trusted her enough to tell the truth. And that's enough to make her pull away from him, at least at first.
For mine, it's not that Solas is Fen'Harel. Between the DLC and the events of the actual game, she's 100% over the god thing, and I don't think the revelation of his identity would bother her all that much. She's pretty inured to weird s*** by now
But she also doesn't know why he took her to that glade, and she doesn't know that he meant to tell the truth. From her perspective, once the truth comes out, it looks like he never trusted her enough to tell the truth. And that's enough to make her pull away from him, at least at first.
Yeah, the lying thing is going to be a problem. And I think that's part of why her knee-jerk reaction would be so bad? I think she's pretty much done with the whole idea of godhood at this point. But Fen'harel was meant to be a trickster god, lying was kind of his thing. So I think the fact that that's who he is, and he was lying is going to confuse things.
I just feel like, even reconciling godhood and coming to terms with it and putting it aside intellectually is probably not going to be enough to prepare her for what it's actually like emotionally to find out that someone she trusted was a 'god' the whole time. Much less a god she was raised to believe was like… the king of liars. I feel like she thinks she's dealt with her beliefs a lot better than she maybe actually has.
But now I'm rambling.
Guest_Ser Morwen_*
My girl has, too, had a love before Solas. Solas may not have been her first, but she loved him deeply and truly, so of course it breaks her that it ended. She's just not going to let it dictate her existence. Before Solas captured her heart, she wasn't actively searching for romance, mirroring myself. She's a humongous sap for romance, and daydreams and fantasizes, but she was also content. She didn't need someone. She may have wanted romance, but not so desperately that it was at the edge of her thoughts always. Solas was happenstance. Very, very welcome, cherished, and wondrous happenstance, but happenstance nonetheless. The breakup wounded her. She cried, she mourned, she hurt and ached, but at the end of the day, she knows she has a duty and that the hurt can't influence her to the point it affects those around her. She took time to grieve, but Cole, and Dorian, and Cassandra, and Varric were there for her. Cole felt her hurt and helped in his own special little ways. Dorian reminded her to smile and live life. Cassandra teaches her that she stronger and braver than she believes, and that doubt can actively strengthen one's faith if used appropriately. Varric remembers and reminds her that she's a person and deserves to be treated as such. With people like that in her life - with her purpose and meaning to both those in her inner circle and to the general population - she can't wallow in hurt forever. It won't instantly go away; time isn't always an alleviation, but she's learned to live with it, She's learned that there is a tomorrow, and that to make it to that tomorrow she has get up and walk. My decision to do Jaws of Hakkon after he leaves for third and ultimate completionist playthrough will be an opportunity for that character development. It will lead her to a position where she's less woe to this broken heart and more worried about Solas' safety, where he is, is he okay. He better be okay.
I have rambled my thoughts a lot today. And I'm probably late with this but c'est la vie.
Sounds almost like mine! I love yours even more!
feel like she thinks she's dealt with her beliefs a lot better than she maybe actually has.
Well, we'll see when Wolf Hunt DLC rolls around. It'll be interesting, there's no doubt about that 
Probably lots of tears, maybe some wailing and gnashing of teeth depending on how things turn out.
Well, we'll see when Wolf Hunt DLC rolls around. It'll be interesting, there's no doubt about that
I'm excited for the drama. Which is probably why I feel like my girl should still have a few lingering issues with godhood and such. I can't have her being too happy.
And I am out of likes but the last few posts 
I'm excited for the drama. Which is probably why I feel like my girl should still have a few lingering issues with godhood and such. I can't have her being too happy.
I try not to self-insert, but some of my humanism did bleed into my Lavellan's views on godhood by the end. I just couldn't help it. It's so cool being able to express that viewpoint in a video game, without it being strident or out-of-place in the lore. And I think overall, BioWare did a good job with the themes of faith and belief in this game.
The one thing that kills me is the wait for whatever story DLC will advance anything to do with Solas. Given that JoH isn't even out on 3/5 of platforms and they've promised more MP DLC and they will probably do something else in between, given the track record (and whatever THAT is probably won't be out until sometime over the summer at minimum)......I think we need to go back to that idea of bribing Weekes with glitter and LEGO.
I try not to self-insert, but some of my humanism did bleed into my Lavellan's views on godhood by the end. I just couldn't help it. It's so cool being able to express that viewpoint in a video game, without it being strident or out-of-place in the lore. And I think overall, BioWare did a good job with the themes of faith and belief in this game.
Yeah, I'm the same. I have to consciously push back against the urge to self-insert. It's been really interesting playing as a character that (at least for the first half of the game) has very strong religious beliefs. And putting her through the journey of questioning her faith has kind of forced me to think about faith in ways I normally wouldn't. Which is nice. I definitely think that the exploration of faith and belief in this game is one of it's big strengths for me. And it's been done subtly enough that you don't need to engage with that if you don't want to/don't feel comfortable. Which is also good.
The one thing that kills me is the wait for whatever story DLC will advance anything to do with Solas. Given that JoH isn't even out on 3/5 of platforms and they've promised more MP DLC and they will probably do something else in between, given the track record (and whatever THAT is probably won't be out until sometime over the summer at minimum)......I think we need to go back to that idea of bribing Weekes with glitter and LEGO.
What would be interesting (and yes frustrating) is if they spread out the story advancement over multiple DLCs. You could have a more in depth story that way and more of a buildup instead of everything smashed into one DLC. Although I did very much enjoy JoH it didn't advance the over all story in any obvious way - although subtle hints that I totally missed were probably dropped.
Ugh, yes... "ugly", 'Cass and Josephine look like men", and occasionally, Cassandra's age all come into these complaints.
Yeah, I'm the same. I have to consciously push back against the urge to self-insert. It's been really interesting playing as a character that (at least for the first half of the game) has very strong religious beliefs. And putting her through the journey of questioning her faith has kind of forced me to think about faith in ways I normally wouldn't. Which is nice. I definitely think that the exploration of faith and belief in this game is one of it's big strengths for me. And it's been done subtly enough that you don't need to engage with that if you don't want to/don't feel comfortable. Which is also good.
I just love being able to play the viewpoint that gods aren't anything inherently special. It's not that they don't exist: Mythal and Fen'Harel clearly do, in some form. But in other fantasy universes, such a viewpoint often winds up being Flat Earth Atheist (like Forgotten Realms, for example, where those who don't worship a god get cast into a creepy wall that eats their souls).
In Dragon Age, the gods (or god claimants) you meet are powerful but very fallible, and there's nothing about them that makes them inherently worthy of worship. That is what I really like about it. It's up to the PC to decide how important they really are, and the PC can just go, "Screw gods. Let's work on people instead."
Sorry. I'll stop rambling, I just have FEELS on humanism.
The one thing that kills me is the wait for whatever story DLC will advance anything to do with Solas. Given that JoH isn't even out on 3/5 of platforms and they've promised more MP DLC and they will probably do something else in between, given the track record (and whatever THAT is probably won't be out until sometime over the summer at minimum)......I think we need to go back to that idea of bribing Weekes with glitter and LEGO.
Considering it would seem that they're also doing some deep roads based DLC, I think we're in for a long wait.
Also because, from a marketing standpoint, if I made a game with a post-credits sequence like that I'd want to keep people on the hook for as long as possible.
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