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Go to Cullen, he says they found nothing.  NOTHING?!  I LITERALLY JUST GOT ANDERS INGREDIENTS FOR THE POOP BOMB.  What did he do, stick them up his robes?  He can't have THAT many pockets.  Go to Elthina, she Elthinas.  I don't remember if you can tip off Meredith or Orsino, just that everyone was useless.  Eventually I just sort of went, "OK, Anders, they're all yours.  Let the Kirkwall Darwin Awards begin with fireworks."

 

In-game, I wound up headcanoning it as my Templar Hawke being much too forgiving and nice for his own good.  He really wanted to believe that Anders could pull through, and thought that tipping off the authorities would push Justice to something desperate.  As it is, nothing you do really matters, but at least the headcanon pins the blame on my Hawke instead of making it look like all of Kirkwall had lobotomies.

 

I'm guessing sticking Anders in the circle would probably mess with the end game results...

 

Edit: And I need him to heal me...


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I honestly don't get this attitude toward a Cousland Warden. I played one, and her whole family was brutally attacked. Yes, she came from a notable family, but I never felt like you described. That whole game feels like an uphill climb.

 

Where's this for Cousland come from? Mine still felt as you described with the other origin stories. Do you have to play up the Noble bit in conversations? (I don't think I did x( except to mention dead mama and papa to Alistair)

 

Erm, isn't this Cousland dislike a bit harsh? I'm not going to blame your for disliking them or anything. That's your right, but from my position, it seems a bit unkind, if I'm honest. I'm not entirely sure where this tripping out of glorification that you speak of stems, and maybe I've simply forgotten, but I don't recall anything quite to that degree. I remember some remarks and compliments of your combat skills, Duncan saying you would make a good Warden candidate, and then as the game progresses people acknowledging your nobility, but that about sums it up. I honestly just don't remember anyone falling over themselves. My canon Warden is a Cousland

 

*sigh*

 

The Cousland Origin literally opens with: "For generations, your family, the Couslands, has stewarded the land of Highever, earning the loyalty of your people with justice and temperance. When your country was occupied by the Orlesian Empire, your father and grandfather served the embattled kings of your land. Today, your elder brother takes up House Cousland's banner in service to the Crown, not against the Orlesians, but against the bestial darkspawn rising in the South." All with grand music swelling in the background to let you know that this family is Important.

 

Just with that intro, my Mary Sue senses were tingling. And it just got worse from there.

 

Every character you meet after that intro goes out of their way to tell you how super-special-awesome the Couslands are, and how super-special-awesome you are by extension. Explore the castle and you'll find that every servant, guard, and guest will jump to tell you just how perfect, special, amazing and/or beloved the Couslands are. That one historian who brags about the family's glorious and spotless history to bored squire kids, Ser Gilmore who tells the players the family is not only wealthy/powerful to own a Mabari, but how special you are to have such an exemplar example of the breed imprint on you from an early age, Mumzy bragging about how some guy got drunk and mistook her husband for the king, Darren telling about how when Ferelden first won their independence many wanted to have Bryce crowned instead of Maric, but he humbly turned them down (because of course they did; not enough for the game to brag that your family is the most wealthy and powerful under royalty, they also have to point out that they could be royalty if they wanted it, but they don't because they're just that humble and virtuous), Iona tells how the alienage is so clean and well-governed and the elves treated so well here (of course), etc.

 

The Couslands are PERFECT. They've always been perfect. And you're perfect by extension.

 

The only (and I mean only) person who doesn't adore the Couslands is Rendon Howe. Not only is he objectively, irredeemably evil, but he doesn't even have a valid reason for hating the Couslands: He's just jealous of them. Of course. The Couslands are so perfect and flawless, so universally adored, that no one can dislike them for any reason other than to wish they were as awesome as the Couslands. (Did anyone seriously believe that the PC wouldn't be able to get justice for the Cousland family? With how often the game hammers home that everyone adores them, did anyone seriously believe that once they got the Blight and Loghain's dictatorship out of the way, that the Bannorn wouldn't instantly take your side and give your family's stuff back the moment you said, "Howe did this!" )

 

Ugh, it bugs me how in a world of Grey and Grey morality, the Couslands stand out as the one example of Shining White morality. And the game constantly reminds you that you're amazing super-special-awesome by extension.



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I'm guessing sticking Anders in the circle would probably mess with the end game results...

 

Edit: And I need him to heal me...

 

LOL.  I remember seeing so much rage from people who wanted Anders to die, but needed him as a healer.

 

Personally, I'm ok with the Chantry going up no matter what.  But don't make it turn on Anders alone.  Maybe he had help from the Resolutionists.  Maybe he used misguided individuals within the Chantry itself, who were sympathetic but didn't know exactly what he was up to.  Maybe he even had help from within the Kirkwall Circle; that would make Meredith's decision to annul a lot less axe-crazy.  That way the mage-templar war still goes off, it's still mostly Anders' fault, but it doesn't turn on just him being present.  Hawke can even deal with Anders (kill him, imprison him, whatever), and feel like at least they did SOMETHING.



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*snip*

 

Are you Rendon Howe by any chance...


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I'd been in the process of replying to these posts last night when I received a message from my in-laws that their oldest family dog had passed away. :( Sorry to vanish--had some snot-faced crying to get out of my system. Rest easy, you lovely labracollie gal. ;_;

 

And, since life goes on:

 

Do it. You know you want to.  :devil:

 

*severe twitching* Maybe... just... one more.

 

I don't understand all the Gatt hate... APPARENTLY MORE FOR ME B!TCHES...

 

Well sure, but you might have to share him with Blackwall.

 

Spoiler

 

It's totally on topic, cuz' gross!Solas is disapproving in the background. I'd apologize, for the horrendous quality, the subject matter and the bastardization of all of these characters, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Edit: Wonky formatting.


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*stares at icon*

 

I get the Fenris octopus cinnamon roll thing now..

 

I am so late to the party!


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Well sure, but you might have to share him with Blackwall.

 

Spoiler

 

It's totally on topic, cuz' gross!Solas is disapproving in the background. I'd apologize, for the horrendous quality, the subject matter and the bastardization of all of these characters, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

It's okay cause I love barn troll stinky puff daddy too <3 

 

WE WILL BE A BIG HAPPY FAMILY OKAY!!! 


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*stares at icon*

 

I get the Fenris octopus cinnamon roll thing now..

 

I am so late to the party!

 

YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

ISN'T IT THE MST BEAUTIFUL THING EVER  :wub:  :wub:  <3  <3  <3  :blush:  :blush:


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Ugh, it bugs me how in a world of Grey and Grey morality, the Couslands stand out as the one example of Shining White morality. And the game constantly reminds you that you're amazing super-special-awesome by extension.

 

Out of curiosity, do you also dislike the Starks (if you've ever seen GoT or Song of Ice and Fire)?  They kind of remind me of the Couslands in the role they fulfill, the noble family that holds (or at least tries to hold) the moral high ground.


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LOL.  I remember seeing so much rage from people who wanted Anders to die, but needed him as a healer.

 

"Pity" can't describe what I feel for those spineless cretins.

 

I sided with the werewolves in DAO and butchered the Dalish, along with the the only elfroot merchant, in hardcode mode in a game where resources did not regrow and merchants did not restock. And this was only the pragmatic punishment on top of the severe moral guilt I felt. If there's something that can really be said about me then it's that I'm willing to bear the consequences of my actions with pride and style.


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LOL.  I remember seeing so much rage from people who wanted Anders to die, but needed him as a healer.

 

The struggle is real....


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Well sure, but you might have to share him with Blackwall.

 

Spoiler

 

It's totally on topic, cuz' gross!Solas is disapproving in the background. I'd apologize, for the horrendous quality, the subject matter and the bastardization of all of these characters, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Edit: Wonky formatting.

You draw Solas so beautifully. <3 I'm falling in love with his character all over again.


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YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

ISN'T IT THE MST BEAUTIFUL THING EVER  :wub:  :wub:  <3  <3  <3  :blush:  :blush:

 

I don't know what it is, but I love it!  :D


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What I don't understand though... you kill Anders only at the end. And you only need him if you are not a mage yourself (if you are, you can just spec as a healer, and a much stronger one). But Bethany will return (if alive), who has healing too (unless you picked her skills completely bonkers with closed eyes and high on LSD). She cannot revive, but that isn't really necessary anyway, at least not in the final battle. So why was it such an issue?

 

So to recap, the only ones who should have complained are those who either let their own sister die or who had not taken their indispensable healer, who is the only one with relevant experience, to the Deep Roads. Uh.... maybe I'm just a bit too dim-witted to get that.



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I remember seeing so much rage from people who wanted Anders to die, but needed him as a healer.

 

I keep jumping back between this thread and the Fenris thread and then seeing this and going, "Wait. Which thread am in?" 


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I don't know what it is, but I love it!  :D

 

Okay so if anyone didn't know I love Fenris with all my heart. Much more than Solas but that's irrelevant. So somehow I was compared to a cinnamon roll. So that is Fenris as a tentacle alien holding me as a cinnamon roll.  



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I'd been in the process of replying to these posts last night when I received a message from my in-laws that their oldest family dog had passed away. :( Sorry to vanish--had some snot-faced crying to get out of my system. Rest easy, you lovely labracollie gal. ;_;

 

And, since life goes on:

 

 

*severe twitching* Maybe... just... one more.

 

 

Well sure, but you might have to share him with Blackwall.

 

Spoiler

 

It's totally on topic, cuz' gross!Solas is disapproving in the background. I'd apologize, for the horrendous quality, the subject matter and the bastardization of all of these characters, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Edit: Wonky formatting.

AWWW - BARNTROLL FOUND LOVE.  BARNTROLL. 


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So to recap, the only ones who should have complained are those who either let their own sister die or who had not taken their indispensable healer, who is the only one with relevant experience, to the Deep Roads. Uh.... maybe I'm just a bit too dim-witted to get that.

 

Or if you side with the templars, I think Bethany doesn't join you until right before the final fight.  But I could never do that.  Little sis puppy eyes are a devastating weapon.



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I keep jumping back between this thread and the Fenris thread and then seeing this and going, "Wait. Which thread am in?" 

 

 

I know me too. Long time no see.

 

Regarding Anders. I don't HATE him. Okay I do. I actually hate his decisions more (and his completely unjustified hahahahaha hatred for Fenris). 

 

I think if he hadn't tried to take things into his own hands I would probably feel sorry for him. Maybe. 


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AWWW - BARNTROLL FOUND LOVE.  BARNTROLL. 

 

Much to Master Dennet's relief!


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Had to share.  Probably like the billionth such images ... but heh.  Enjoy:

 

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Or if you side with the templars, I think Bethany doesn't join you until right before the final fight.  But I could never do that.  Little sis puppy eyes are a devastating weapon.

 

She does not come back if you side with the Templars? I don't remember that. 

But whoever hates Anders so much must let him live and force him to side with the Templars anyway. There's no greater punishment.

 

Edit: Are you sure she does not come back after Orsino snapped after all?

Edit 2: Thinking about it again, I assume you meant just that...



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Okay so if anyone didn't know I love Fenris with all my heart. Much more than Solas but that's irrelevant. So somehow I was compared to a cinnamon roll. So that is Fenris as a tentacle alien holding me as a cinnamon roll.  

 

Right. You posted something to this effect a few pages back and I didn't understand what you were talking about, but I finally got it. 


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What I don't understand though... you kill Anders only at the end. And you only need him if you are not a mage yourself (if you are, you can just spec as a healer, and a much stronger one). But Bethany will return (if alive), who has healing too (unless you picked her skills completely bonkers with closed eyes and high on LSD). She cannot revive, but that isn't really necessary anyway, at least not in the final battle. So why was it such an issue?

 

So to recap, the only ones who should have complained are those who either let their own sister die or who had not taken their indispensable healer, who is the only one with relevant experience, to the Deep Roads. Uh.... maybe I'm just a bit too dim-witted to get that.

 

I played as Rogue, took Varric (duh), Fenris, and Bethany to the Deep Road. Needed that tank, man, and juicy meta-gaming to have a truly tragic Hawke who loses all of her family. x) I dunno where I'm going with this...


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I think if he hadn't tried to take things into his own hands I would probably feel sorry for him. Maybe. 

 

It's hard to say. We'll never know.

 

 

Had to share.  Probably like the billionth such images ... but heh.  Enjoy:

 

Thank you! We needed some Solas in this thread!


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