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[Catfishers]

The apostate, always a wise choice.

 

What could go wrong?

*gross sobbing*

[yetanothername]

Story Lavellan went for the Dalish reclaimed Vallaslin chill option and the "whatever it is, we can figure it out" option, because she started out pretty hot-tempered and aggressive and became much more careful and restrained over time. This made their ending much more like Eddie Izzard's bit on British movies in my head than I'd have predicted. "I thought... I'd better go." "Yes I think you'd better have."

 

 

[Elira]

 

Yup, that's us, we're helpers. We aim to please.

 

It's okay. You're still my favorite. 

 

I read a fic earlier that unexpectedly featured post-breakup angry-angsty tent sex.  I'll join you.

 

I have cheesecake.

 

There's room. You're more than welcome. Especially with cheesecake.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I had a horrible horrible HORRIBLE Solas dream. 

 

Solas sacrifices himself to redeem himself somehow and Lavellan holds him while he dies. He's at peace, because at least he isn't alone but she's in a state of shock. She saw him die before in Redcliffe, but this time she knows he isn't coming back and there's no going back in time...

 

And then she pulls a Flemythal, becomes the new host for his god-wisp, and takes up the mantle of the Dread Wolf.  Because there must always be a Dread Wolf to rally the People their greatest hours of need.  And neither of them need to be alone any more.

 

There.  Now it's bittersweet, AND we get god Lavellan 

 

[Kestrel]

An update to the thing. I added a new first chapter, in an effort to flesh things out. Because AO3 lets you add things non sequentially, which is going to be my savior. 

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/8363956

[Elira]

I'm an overly emotional weirdo, ergo my Lavellan is an overly emotional weirdo, and thus my chosen response was the, "But I love you". Overemotional tendencies can both be a source of strength and an Achilles heel. I could have gone angry route, and it could fit, but the sad puppy dog works better for me. Is it her most shining moment? No. But it's her being real and genuine with the slow, gradual breaking of her heart, and the sorrow weaving around it. She doesn't get a chance to dip into anger, because in her face is the overwhelming, rather surreal understanding that he's ending it, and she doesn't have time to react in a manner that keeps her dignified. Her sadness is her instinctive, automatic response, and I'm content with it because it fits her. I also the love the fact that he has to move away, as if being near her, if she even touches him, he might break. But I also love the angry response. It's all beautiful. It's all written and voice acted and the graphics are just all bloody marvelous. I felt every bit of that scene.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's all beautiful. It's all written and voice acted and the graphics are just all bloody marvelous. I felt every bit of that scene.

 

That scene and Cole's companion quest are always really emotional for me, no matter what options I pick.  And Dorian's quest, barring the jerkass options.  WHY CAN'T I HUG ALL THESE PEOPLE BIOWARE.  

[Maria13]

Yeah, so am I.  I had no trouble with a lot of the scenes in GoT that distressed people, but that one really got to me.

Spoiler

Oberyn's death was gruesome but relatively quick, and I've never been all that fussed about the Starks besides Arya and Sansa.  But I loved Mance in both the books and the show, and I love Ciaran Hinds as an actor.  So watching this proud, fierce King-beyond-the-Wall face a horrible and degrading death hit me really hard.  First time I've every clapped for Jon Snow  

 

Ah the genius of GoT, it will get all of us fantasy lovers sooner or later!

[Heidirs]

If the Lavellan Inquisitor was burnt alive... Would Solas walk into to pyre to share her fate...

 

Why? Why would you even ask that question? 

[Maria13]

Why? Why would you even ask that question? 

 

I have a sick mind?

 

_^Sorry.

[yetanothername]

If the Lavellan Inquisitor was burnt alive... Would Solas walk into to pyre to share her fate...

 

I just don't really see what the purpose of that would be... What would this achieve?

[Elira]

That scene and Cole's companion quest are always really emotional for me, no matter what options I pick.  And Dorian's quest, barring the jerkass options.  WHY CAN'T I HUG ALL THESE PEOPLE BIOWARE.  

 

YEAH BIOWARE, WHY CAN'T WE HUG THEM?

 

No joke, I cried during Cole's personal quest. The decision, oh my God. I intended to go spirit route, because I trust Solas, and because... Well, he was originally a spirit. His purpose was to be a spirit helping others, and I felt as if by choosing the human route, I would be selfishly keeping him from his duty and breaking a rare and beautiful spirit. But then Lavellan was all like, "I don't want to lose my baby Cole!", and eeeeeeuuuuuugh, my heart, as I played the possibility of my sweet and precious Cole able to be a person. Cole is my Lavellen's, and therefore my default my child. Blood relation or no, completely difference race irrelevant, Cole is every bit a son to her, and the thought of losing that... I stared at that choice screen for probably twenty minutes, contemplating this as if it was the most colossal decision on all of Thedas' history. I might have paced, and wrung my hands. It was selfish; it was personal, but she chose to make him human. He may mess up when it comes to certain cases of helping people. He can't do things perfectly, and perhaps she has further broken a rare spirit, but in the end, he'll understand them better, and maybe, some day, he'll help them far more than he ever could as a spirit.

 

Dorian... I can't. Gah. His personal quest too! I wasn't as conflicted, because I knew precisely what I had to do. My instinctive response was, "Talk with your daddy, honey, or you may regret it forever". Also, it maaaaaay have been rather personal with her as well. That's definitely a subject where they understand each other on an excruciating and emotional level, and thus where they truly begin to come together as best friends, because there's just this insatiable and profound understanding and love. She, too, has a painfully strained relationship with her father over his overbearing nature and severely high expectations. 

[Maria13]

I just don't really see what the purpose of that would be... What would this achieve?

 

Redemption? What else...

 

Solas has a pretty wide masochistic streak... At one point Cole points out he could choose to forget those he feels he hurt/wronged and Solas replies very clearly that he chooses not to... Ie he is tormenting himself because he thinks he deserves no less...

[nikki-tikki]

YEAH BIOWARE, WHY CAN'T WE HUG THEM?

No joke, I cried during Cole's personal quest. The decision, oh my God. I intended to go spirit route, because I trust Solas, and because... Well, he was originally a spirit. His purpose was to be a spirit helping others, and I felt as if by choosing the human route, I would be selfishly keeping him from his duty and breaking a rare and beautiful spirit. But then Lavellan was all like, "I don't want to lose my baby Cole!", and eeeeeeuuuuuugh, my heart, as I played the possibility of my sweet and precious Cole able to be a person. Cole is my Lavellen's, and therefore my default my child. Blood relation or no, completely difference race irrelevant, Cole is every bit a son to her, and the thought of losing that... I stared at that choice screen for probably twenty minutes, contemplating this as if it was the most colossal decision on all of Thedas' history. I might have paced, and wrung my hands. It was selfish; it was personal, but she chose to make him human. He may mess up when it comes to certain cases of helping people. He can't do things perfectly, and perhaps she has further broken a rare spirit, but in the end, he'll understand them better, and maybe, some day, he'll help them far more than he ever could as a spirit.

Dorian... I can't. Gah. His personal quest too! I wasn't as conflicted, because I knew precisely what I had to do. My instinctive response was, "Talk with your daddy, honey, or you may regret it forever". Also, it maaaaaay have been rather personal with her as well. That's definitely a subject where they understand each other on an excruciating and emotional level, and thus where they truly begin to come together as best friends, because there's just this insatiable and profound understanding and love. She, too, has a painfully strained relationship with her father over his overbearing nature and severely high expectations.

Spirit Cole is best Cole.

[Illyria]

That scene and Cole's companion quest are always really emotional for me, no matter what options I pick.  And Dorian's quest, barring the jerkass options.  WHY CAN'T I HUG ALL THESE PEOPLE BIOWARE.  

 

There's...

 

A jerkass option?  With Dorian?  REALLY?

 

WHY?

 

Spoiler

I have the seen the max disapproval dialouge with a romanced!Dorian and Inky took the punching option.

That was painful to watch.

[Illyria]

Spirit Cole is best Cole.

 

Both Coles are Best Cole.

[Elira]

Spirit Cole is best Cole.

 

But...but...but... I'm a weak, weak girl for adorableness and fluffiness and sweetness and always for my precious Cole.

 

"Gentle. You watch me walk into darkness over and over, and you always worry. Thank you."

 

I can't... I just... It hurts me so beautifully, and sends me spiraling into the overwhelming urge to hug my baby Cole. I cry at that after scene every. Time.

 

Plus, I'm not sure I could live with myself and the guilt of Varric's, "He could have been a person".

 

Overemotional weirdo, did I mention that? 

 

 

Edit: Grammar. Fingers. 

[legbamel]

My Lavellan is all about not changing for anyone so she's not about to make Cole change for Varric.  He's a spirit and he's going to stay one.  She's not giving up her vallaslin for Solas, either.  She told Dorian he was right about his dad being an ass, too, and they blew him off to go get drunk at the tavern, instead.

 

Speaking of Solas, I have a new theme song for him...at least for this week.

[yetanothername]

Redemption? What else...

 

Solas has a pretty wide masochistic streak... At one point Cole points out he could choose to forget those he feels he hurt/wronged and Solas replies very clearly that he chooses not to... Ie he is tormenting himself because he thinks he deserves no less...

 

Hm, interesting. I don't see it. Seems pretty martyr-ish to me - you could have any number of actions that actually have results (whether vengeance, social change, whatever) that could well require death (or many deaths) that seem more worthwhile. Solas doesn't forget them, but he doesn't jump off a cliff, either - he has a purpose. He seems stronger to me for carrying his losses instead of burning alive or what have you. I feel like he'd consider it selfish, but I don't know where all you were going with it. I guess I don't see how dying with someone at all leads to redemption - it sounds like maybe you have a story behind the question that might shed more light on it.

 

I'm more with those that think he'd kill her himself if he really had to, though - or at least that he'd like to believe that he would.

[Heidirs]

I couldn't do that because she looks way too pathetic. i was like...stahp.  that's not my lavellan. i like them both in the angry option. like she questions him first - as she would - and then he's all 'please vhenan'(ha) and she's like 'wtf - tell me you don't care then'  and then he's all sexily "i can't do that' and she storms off.  and he's standing there with a bit of dignity and she leaves with some of her pride intact i guess.  i didn't want that last image of the relationship to be this sad puppy walk and then the sad puppy crumple face of lavellan. 

 

I like Solas' dialogue in angry version better. But I also prefer his "What we have was real" dialogue at the end, and you need the sad version for that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Plus, I'm not sure I could live with myself and the guilt of Varric's, "He could have been a person".

 

I already dealt with the guilt of killing off Hawke with Varric present.  My canon Hawke, and I've never felt worse about any video game decision.  She was headed for tragedy anyway, but it was a tragedy that my Inquisitor could have prevented.  

 

After that, I think having Cole being a spirit is pretty small potatoes for Varric.

[Heidirs]

I already dealt with the guilt of killing off Hawke with Varric present.  My canon Hawke, and I've never felt worse about any video game decision.  She was headed for tragedy anyway, but it was a tragedy that my Inquisitor could have prevented.  

 

After that, I think having Cole being a spirit is pretty small potatoes for Varric.

 

I never take Varric for Hawke's death. I just can't handle his reaction to that scene.

[Elira]

@legbamel and @Sable Rhapsody

 

But...why...

 

Actually, in all seriousness, that's great. Is the better option staying true to Cole's nature, to who he is by making him full spirit? Probably. I won't deny the existence of a measure of guilt over the knowledge that my choice goes against Cole's original purpose, his nature, and is breaking a beautiful and rare spirit of Compassion. Who's to say we'll see one again? I don't know. But I know what I did, and it wasn't just for Varric. That humanity that existed in Cole is a part of him as well. Cole is an anomaly. He's not something you see every day. Honestly, if we take Solas' words at face value, he doesn't even know what Cole is. What happened to Cole may well be an isolated one of a kind incident, and then it might not. Either way, that human part of him, unnatural or not, is part of who Cole is/was. My choice to make him full human was my decision, not Varric's. If I decided to make Cole full spirit, then that would have also been my choice, and not Solas'. The traces of guilt I may feel at the grief my choice earns is separate. It exists, but it was not what swayed my decision. If I truly worried about what my companions thought, then by default because I was closer to him, I would have done what Solas asked and made him spirit. In fact, I realized thst was where some of the basis of my decision came from. I realized I wanted to please Solas, and that was affected my decision. When I stepped back, took a deep breath, and thought it over, I realized making him human was both what I wanted to do and what I thought best at the time; what my Lavellan wanted and thought best. Was it the right choice? Perhaps not. But it was the one I made and the one I own up to. I won't deny its source being part selfishness of my Lavellan's, nor that it also came about through a fear of losing the Cole she had come to know and love. It may not have been the right path, but it wasn't the wrong one, either. It's the one that was chosen, and the one I'm sticking with. But I'm glad for those who didn't make the same decision. That's what I love about that scenario. There was no right and no wrong decision. Whichever choice was made, Cole would approve, and Cole would grow from it. Cole would further develop into Cole no matter what, whether it be spirit Cole or spirit going human Cole. 

 

I hope this doesn't come off as me being defensive or even arguing at all. I was just explaining my reasons. Both decisions are absolutely wonderful, and I'm happy for either one. 

[BoscoBread]

Hm, interesting. I don't see it. Seems pretty martyr-ish to me - you could have any number of actions that actually have results (whether vengeance, social change, whatever) that could well require death (or many deaths) that seem more worthwhile. Solas doesn't forget them, but he doesn't jump off a cliff, either - he has a purpose. He seems stronger to me for carrying his losses instead of burning alive or what have you. I feel like he'd consider it selfish, but I don't know where all you were going with it. I guess I don't see how dying with someone at all leads to redemption - it sounds like maybe you have a story behind the question that might shed more light on it.

 

I'm more with those that think he'd kill her himself if he really had to, though - or at least that he'd like to believe that he would.

Out of likes. I agree.   I kind of viewed as being in a relationship with him as these two independent people with their own lives and stories and acknowledge that there are more important things than the two of them in love.  They find a sort of peace and comfort in each other but know there are things deeper than love that are calling to them.  Thus him not throwing himself off a cliff. Thus him leaving you. Thus him killing one of his closest and oldest friends. 

[Elira]

I think my reply may have come off somewhat more vehement than I intended it to. Sorry about that. I just wanted to clarify the decision was mine and not just because Varric asked me to.

 

Also, Solas would likely inflict me with a Solas Disapproves over my consumption of this bottle of iced green tea, but I don't give a damn.